Identity and Date of Manufacture of S&W Revolvers - Page 141

Erik M · September 16, 2011, 11:37 PM

Model 10-5
3" light barrel / no underlug
6 shooter
K frame
square grip

C736936

Radagast · September 17, 2011, 03:25 AM

Erik M:
1963 to 1965, serial range for those years was C622700 to C810532. The earliest reference to a 3 inch Model 10-5 in the Standard Catalog of S&W is a special order for HH Harris & Co of Chicago in 1967, there was also a 10-5 for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, marked RMCP and a 10-5 3 inch tapered barrel for the French police in the D828xxx range. Unfortunately none of these seem to firt with your gun.

pabner · September 17, 2011, 06:03 PM

a) .38 Special
b) 4”
c) Square
d) 6
e) Adjustable
f) 79K85xx
g) 15-4

Radagast · September 17, 2011, 06:51 PM

pabner:
Your Model 15-4 Combat Masterpiece was manufactured in 1980.

Gladius · September 18, 2011, 07:17 PM

Here's a new old one... a 38-44!

a. .38 Special
b. 6.5 inch barrel
c. Square
d. 6
e. Fixed
f. S 154646

No model number in the crane.

Radagast · September 19, 2011, 06:47 AM

Gladius:
Your 38-44 Heavy Duty Model of 1950 was manufactured in 1956. Model numbers were introduced in 1957.

waidmann · September 19, 2011, 10:15 AM

Hi Radagast,
Trying to help someone with a theft report, there is a quirk sorting out exactly what it is.
It is an N-frame, currently .45 ACP, last patent date 1908, crummy photo shows and unshrouded ejector rod. I'm guessing a 5.5 inch barrel but they say no 1917 markings.
Serial number 56,388.
Please give what you can. Converted .455? Commercial 1917? Whatever.

Thanks,
Waidmann

Radagast · September 19, 2011, 10:54 AM

Last patent date on the 1917 was Sep.14 1909. Serial number would make it a 1918 gun if a Model of 1917. SCSW notes some commercial models shipped,doesn't state wether these were during the war or post war. If a commercial model there will be a small S&W logo on the left side of the frame. 5.5 inch barrel was standard.

Otherwise it is a .455 Mark II Hand Ejector. Last patent date should be feb 6 1906. SCSW notes many were converted to .45 Auto Rim or to .45 Colt. There should be a large S&W logo on the side plate. Look for the broad arrow, crossed flags or Not English Made stamps, or British proof marks. Serial range between 5000 & 74755 manufactured 1915 to 1917. 6.5 inch barrel was standard.
If you have a photo of the rear of the cylinder and there is no serial number on the cylinder face then the cylinder has been cut down to suit moonclips / auto-rim cases.

waidmann · September 19, 2011, 11:32 AM

Thanks Radagast,
I appreciate your imput.

Waidmann's heil

birdshooter · September 19, 2011, 02:28 PM

Here's a new one:

45 ACP
4"
Square
6 shot
Fixed Sight
TRR17XX
22-4

Thanks!

wrs840 · September 19, 2011, 03:41 PM

Hi Radagast,

a) " .22 LONG RIFLE CTG. "
b) 4”
c) Square
d) 6 shot
e) Adjustable
f) K7559xx
g) 18-2

Thanks again in advance!

Radagast · September 19, 2011, 09:04 PM

wrs840:
Your Model 18-2 K22 Combat Masterpiece was manufactured in 1967. When you get tired of it send it to me. I've the only Model 18 I've ever seen in Australia & I need a spare. :P

Birdshooter:
Your Model 22-4 Thunder Ranch Special was manufactured in 2005. Product code was 161239.

wrs840 · September 19, 2011, 10:39 PM

Thanks Radagast, I'll keep you in mind

. Even from my crappy iphone pic, you may be able to see it's in outstanding shape. It has zero holster-wear, and only a couple of what looks like gun-rug zipper-nicks on the back end of the grips. Lock-up is near "welded". I bought it today and shot it as soon as I got home. Because of good folks like you at THR, I knew it was a special find as soon as I saw it.

Sealevel · September 19, 2011, 10:39 PM

Good evening Radagast,

a. .357 Magnum
b. 3 in.
c. Round
d. 6
e. Fixed
f. BKZ8819
g. 65-5

Thank you once again.

Radagast · September 19, 2011, 10:50 PM

Sealevel:
Your .357 magnum Military & Police Stainless was manufactured in 1994.

wrs840:
That is a lovely find. Congratations!

chromerunner · September 20, 2011, 10:47 AM

Model 1917
No 98214
s&w DA 45
6 shot
square grip

Sealevel · September 20, 2011, 02:38 PM

Good afternoon Radagast,

a. .22
b. 6 in.
c. Square
d. 6
e. Adjustable
f. 3K28120
g. 17-3

Again thanks!

Radagast · September 20, 2011, 07:43 PM

Sealevel:
Your Model 17-3 K22 Masterpiece was manufactured in 1971.

Chrome Runner: Between April 1918 & January 1919.

wlewisiii · September 21, 2011, 07:04 PM

Just got back from a show where I picked up

a: .38 Special
b: 4" pencil barrel
c: square butt
d: 6 shot
e: fixed sights
f: 9D06357
g: 10-7

Thanks!

Great_Gazoo · September 21, 2011, 07:29 PM

Hey guys. New to the forum and picked up a 686 for $300. Now I found out that a black 686 might be a little rare or the national security model depending on when it was manufactured.

a) .357 mag
b) 4
c) square
d) 6
e) front fixed/read adj
f) one side says 1867 and the other side says 4 1x 94682 also an e9 stamped in. on the bottom it says bbm6837. A sticker just fell off under the grip and under it is stamped a "S".
g) 686-2

Thanks all

Dave

AMMO&GUNS · September 21, 2011, 08:22 PM

A. 357
B. 2.5" BBL
C. SMALL ROUND BUTT
D. FIXED RAMP FRONT, ADJUSTABLE REAR BLADE
E. 1K539XX
F. MODEL 19-3

Frame is polished nickel. Cylinder, bbl,front sight and rear sights all highly polished Smith & Wesson Blue. Hammer and Trigger are Heat Treat color. Gun is 99%, I was told that it has something to do with the Peruvian Police or??
Any info greatly appreciated.. had it since mid-70's and never shot it.
What a great forum this is...Thanks

Eric

Radagast · September 22, 2011, 04:48 AM

AMMO & GUNS:
Your Model 19-3 Combat Magnum was manufactured in 1971. The 2.5 inch barrel had been a factory standard item since 1966. Nickel was a standard finish. Color case hardening of hammers and triggers was standard on all blued and nickeled S&Ws with flash chrome available on stainless guns.The Peruvian guns were manufactured in 1987 & had fixed sights.
Basically you have a standard Model 19. Not particularly rare, but in 99% condition it is highly desirable to many collectors & shooters.

Great Gazoo:
BBM6837 is the serial number, it indicates your Model 686-2 Distinguished Combat Magnum Stainless was manufactured in 1988. The other numbers and markings are assembly numbers, used to track parts in the factory. They were not recorded and have no meaning after the gun is assembled.
The 4 inch midnight black stainless 686 was a limited run gun made in 1988 with 1559 manufactured. Product code was 104250. Original retail price was $445.00.

wlewisiii:
Your Model 10-7 .38 Military & Police Tapered Barrel was manufactured in 1981.

champ62 · September 22, 2011, 06:51 AM

Need a DOB please

.38 special
Model 10
s/n AFW8612
wood grips, no diamond
lanyard ring at bottom of grip
C & E 1738 stamped at back of grip
blued finish, about 98%
fixed sights

Thanks

AMMO&GUNS · September 22, 2011, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radagast

AMMO & GUNS:
Your Model 19-3 Combat Magnum was manufactured in 1971. The 2.5 inch barrel had been a factory standard item since 1966. Nickel was a standard finish. Color case hardening of hammers and triggers was standard on all blued and nickeled S&Ws with flash chrome available on stainless guns.The Peruvian guns were manufactured in 1987 & had fixed sights.
Basically you have a standard Model 19. Not particularly rare, but in 99% condition it is highly desirable to many collectors & shooters.

Great Gazoo:
BBM6837 is the serial number, it indicates your Model 686-2 Distinguished Combat Magnum Stainless was manufactured in 1988. The other numbers and markings are assembly numbers, used to track parts in the factory. They were not recorded and have no meaning after the gun is assembled.
The 4 inch midnight black stainless 686 was a limited run gun made in 1988 with 1559 manufactured. Product code was 104250. Original retail price was $445.00.

wlewisiii:
Your Model 10-7 .38 Military & Police Tapered Barrel was manufactured in 1981.

Thanks for the information on the Snubby Smith... were the two tone guns rare or common? i never saw one before and i have a drawer full of Smiths.
again thanks, much appreciated..
eric

Radagast · September 22, 2011, 08:13 PM

AMMO&GUNS:
Yes, Pintos (two toned S&W revolvers) are quite rare. I think I've seen a total of 3 photos (no real guns) of a Pinto in the last 25 years. I missed that part of your description on my first glance at your post.
If you have $50 to spare to satisfy your curiosity I suggest you contact Mr Roy Jinks at S&W and have him research the original shipping records to find out wether your gun was a factory special order. He will send you a letter telling you when it shipped, who it shipped to and what configuration it was ordered in.

champ62:
That serial number places your gun in late 1984. The markings on the backstrap indicate your gun is one ordered by the royal Hong Kong Police in 1983 and later traded back to S&W against a new order. They were late sold to the civilian market through Accusport in Ohio.

September 16, 2011, 11:37 PM	#3501
Erik M Member Join Date: June 14, 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,583	Model 10-5 3" light barrel / no underlug 6 shooter K frame square grip C736936 __________________ \| ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ \| "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials." - George Mason, founding father & anti-federalist "A Glock pistol qualifies as an assault weapon." - Ed Schultz - MSNBC

September 17, 2011, 03:25 AM	#3502
Radagast Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Posts: 3,375	Erik M: 1963 to 1965, serial range for those years was C622700 to C810532. The earliest reference to a 3 inch Model 10-5 in the Standard Catalog of S&W is a special order for HH Harris & Co of Chicago in 1967, there was also a 10-5 for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, marked RMCP and a 10-5 3 inch tapered barrel for the French police in the D828xxx range. Unfortunately none of these seem to firt with your gun. __________________ If you're 6'4" 360, with the scraggly beard wearing a kilt, I think you can leave the guns at home. Just throw on your tartan, grab the nearest sledgehammer, and chase the bad guy down on foot while yelling "REMEMBER WILLIAM WALLACE!!!" If he stops before he hits the state line, splatter him - MGshaggy

September 17, 2011, 06:03 PM	#3503
pabner Member Join Date: January 6, 2011 Posts: 24	a) .38 Special b) 4” c) Square d) 6 e) Adjustable f) 79K85xx g) 15-4 __________________ a cruce salus Last edited by pabner; September 17, 2011 at 07:25 PM.

September 17, 2011, 06:51 PM	#3504
Radagast Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Posts: 3,375	pabner: Your Model 15-4 Combat Masterpiece was manufactured in 1980. __________________ If you're 6'4" 360, with the scraggly beard wearing a kilt, I think you can leave the guns at home. Just throw on your tartan, grab the nearest sledgehammer, and chase the bad guy down on foot while yelling "REMEMBER WILLIAM WALLACE!!!" If he stops before he hits the state line, splatter him - MGshaggy

September 19, 2011, 06:47 AM	#3506
Radagast Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Posts: 3,375	Gladius: Your 38-44 Heavy Duty Model of 1950 was manufactured in 1956. Model numbers were introduced in 1957. __________________ If you're 6'4" 360, with the scraggly beard wearing a kilt, I think you can leave the guns at home. Just throw on your tartan, grab the nearest sledgehammer, and chase the bad guy down on foot while yelling "REMEMBER WILLIAM WALLACE!!!" If he stops before he hits the state line, splatter him - MGshaggy

September 18, 2011, 07:17 PM	#3505
Gladius Member Join Date: December 25, 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 129	Here's a new old one... a 38-44! a. .38 Special b. 6.5 inch barrel c. Square d. 6 e. Fixed f. S 154646 No model number in the crane.

September 19, 2011, 10:15 AM	#3507
waidmann Member Join Date: January 25, 2009 Location: Tennessee Posts: 655	Hi Radagast, Trying to help someone with a theft report, there is a quirk sorting out exactly what it is. It is an N-frame, currently .45 ACP, last patent date 1908, crummy photo shows and unshrouded ejector rod. I'm guessing a 5.5 inch barrel but they say no 1917 markings. Serial number 56,388. Please give what you can. Converted .455? Commercial 1917? Whatever. Thanks, Waidmann

September 19, 2011, 10:54 AM	#3508
Radagast Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Posts: 3,375	Last patent date on the 1917 was Sep.14 1909. Serial number would make it a 1918 gun if a Model of 1917. SCSW notes some commercial models shipped,doesn't state wether these were during the war or post war. If a commercial model there will be a small S&W logo on the left side of the frame. 5.5 inch barrel was standard. Otherwise it is a .455 Mark II Hand Ejector. Last patent date should be feb 6 1906. SCSW notes many were converted to .45 Auto Rim or to .45 Colt. There should be a large S&W logo on the side plate. Look for the broad arrow, crossed flags or Not English Made stamps, or British proof marks. Serial range between 5000 & 74755 manufactured 1915 to 1917. 6.5 inch barrel was standard. If you have a photo of the rear of the cylinder and there is no serial number on the cylinder face then the cylinder has been cut down to suit moonclips / auto-rim cases. __________________ If you're 6'4" 360, with the scraggly beard wearing a kilt, I think you can leave the guns at home. Just throw on your tartan, grab the nearest sledgehammer, and chase the bad guy down on foot while yelling "REMEMBER WILLIAM WALLACE!!!" If he stops before he hits the state line, splatter him - MGshaggy

September 19, 2011, 11:32 AM	#3509
waidmann Member Join Date: January 25, 2009 Location: Tennessee Posts: 655	Thanks Radagast, I appreciate your imput. Waidmann's heil

September 19, 2011, 02:28 PM	#3510
birdshooter Member Join Date: October 7, 2010 Posts: 85	Here's a new one: 45 ACP 4" Square 6 shot Fixed Sight TRR17XX 22-4 Thanks!

September 19, 2011, 03:41 PM	#3511
wrs840 Member Join Date: October 18, 2008 Location: Brushy Mts, NC, growing feed-crops /BioFuel fodder. Posts: 1,887	Hi Radagast, a) " .22 LONG RIFLE CTG. " b) 4” c) Square d) 6 shot e) Adjustable f) K7559xx g) 18-2 Thanks again in advance! __________________ NRA Endowment Member. ...Public Service Bulletin: There's a reason they call it the "passing" lane, and not the "riding-right-next-to-somebody" lane.

September 19, 2011, 09:04 PM	#3512
Radagast Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Posts: 3,375	wrs840: Your Model 18-2 K22 Combat Masterpiece was manufactured in 1967. When you get tired of it send it to me. I've the only Model 18 I've ever seen in Australia & I need a spare. :P Birdshooter: Your Model 22-4 Thunder Ranch Special was manufactured in 2005. Product code was 161239. __________________ If you're 6'4" 360, with the scraggly beard wearing a kilt, I think you can leave the guns at home. Just throw on your tartan, grab the nearest sledgehammer, and chase the bad guy down on foot while yelling "REMEMBER WILLIAM WALLACE!!!" If he stops before he hits the state line, splatter him - MGshaggy

September 19, 2011, 10:39 PM	#3514
Sealevel Member Join Date: July 15, 2011 Posts: 38	Good evening Radagast, a. .357 Magnum b. 3 in. c. Round d. 6 e. Fixed f. BKZ8819 g. 65-5 Thank you once again.

September 19, 2011, 10:50 PM	#3515
Radagast Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Posts: 3,375	Sealevel: Your .357 magnum Military & Police Stainless was manufactured in 1994. wrs840: That is a lovely find. Congratations! __________________ If you're 6'4" 360, with the scraggly beard wearing a kilt, I think you can leave the guns at home. Just throw on your tartan, grab the nearest sledgehammer, and chase the bad guy down on foot while yelling "REMEMBER WILLIAM WALLACE!!!" If he stops before he hits the state line, splatter him - MGshaggy

September 20, 2011, 10:47 AM	#3516
chromerunner Member Join Date: June 17, 2009 Location: NC Posts: 51	Model 1917 No 98214 s&w DA 45 6 shot square grip

September 20, 2011, 02:38 PM	#3517
Sealevel Member Join Date: July 15, 2011 Posts: 38	Good afternoon Radagast, a. .22 b. 6 in. c. Square d. 6 e. Adjustable f. 3K28120 g. 17-3 Again thanks!

September 20, 2011, 07:43 PM	#3518
Radagast Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Posts: 3,375	Sealevel: Your Model 17-3 K22 Masterpiece was manufactured in 1971. Chrome Runner: Between April 1918 & January 1919. __________________ If you're 6'4" 360, with the scraggly beard wearing a kilt, I think you can leave the guns at home. Just throw on your tartan, grab the nearest sledgehammer, and chase the bad guy down on foot while yelling "REMEMBER WILLIAM WALLACE!!!" If he stops before he hits the state line, splatter him - MGshaggy

September 21, 2011, 07:04 PM	#3519
wlewisiii Member Join Date: January 1, 2010 Location: Hayward, WI Posts: 1,485	Just got back from a show where I picked up a: .38 Special b: 4" pencil barrel c: square butt d: 6 shot e: fixed sights f: 9D06357 g: 10-7 Thanks! __________________ "You better watch out, what you wish for It better be worth it, so much to die for." Hole

September 21, 2011, 07:29 PM	#3520
Great_Gazoo Member Join Date: August 5, 2011 Posts: 3	Black 686 and wondering about date Hey guys. New to the forum and picked up a 686 for $300. Now I found out that a black 686 might be a little rare or the national security model depending on when it was manufactured. a) .357 mag b) 4 c) square d) 6 e) front fixed/read adj f) one side says 1867 and the other side says 4 1x 94682 also an e9 stamped in. on the bottom it says bbm6837. A sticker just fell off under the grip and under it is stamped a "S". g) 686-2 Thanks all Dave

September 21, 2011, 08:22 PM	#3521
AMMO&GUNS Member Join Date: September 13, 2011 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 9	Had it for Years... A. 357 B. 2.5" BBL C. SMALL ROUND BUTT D. FIXED RAMP FRONT, ADJUSTABLE REAR BLADE E. 1K539XX F. MODEL 19-3 Frame is polished nickel. Cylinder, bbl,front sight and rear sights all highly polished Smith & Wesson Blue. Hammer and Trigger are Heat Treat color. Gun is 99%, I was told that it has something to do with the Peruvian Police or?? Any info greatly appreciated.. had it since mid-70's and never shot it. What a great forum this is...Thanks Eric

September 22, 2011, 04:48 AM	#3522
Radagast Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Posts: 3,375	AMMO & GUNS: Your Model 19-3 Combat Magnum was manufactured in 1971. The 2.5 inch barrel had been a factory standard item since 1966. Nickel was a standard finish. Color case hardening of hammers and triggers was standard on all blued and nickeled S&Ws with flash chrome available on stainless guns.The Peruvian guns were manufactured in 1987 & had fixed sights. Basically you have a standard Model 19. Not particularly rare, but in 99% condition it is highly desirable to many collectors & shooters. Great Gazoo: BBM6837 is the serial number, it indicates your Model 686-2 Distinguished Combat Magnum Stainless was manufactured in 1988. The other numbers and markings are assembly numbers, used to track parts in the factory. They were not recorded and have no meaning after the gun is assembled. The 4 inch midnight black stainless 686 was a limited run gun made in 1988 with 1559 manufactured. Product code was 104250. Original retail price was $445.00. wlewisiii: Your Model 10-7 .38 Military & Police Tapered Barrel was manufactured in 1981. __________________ If you're 6'4" 360, with the scraggly beard wearing a kilt, I think you can leave the guns at home. Just throw on your tartan, grab the nearest sledgehammer, and chase the bad guy down on foot while yelling "REMEMBER WILLIAM WALLACE!!!" If he stops before he hits the state line, splatter him - MGshaggy

September 22, 2011, 06:51 AM	#3523
champ62 Member Join Date: September 22, 2011 Posts: 1	DOB Need a DOB please .38 special Model 10 s/n AFW8612 wood grips, no diamond lanyard ring at bottom of grip C & E 1738 stamped at back of grip blued finish, about 98% fixed sights Thanks

September 22, 2011, 08:13 PM	#3525
Radagast Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Posts: 3,375	AMMO&GUNS: Yes, Pintos (two toned S&W revolvers) are quite rare. I think I've seen a total of 3 photos (no real guns) of a Pinto in the last 25 years. I missed that part of your description on my first glance at your post. If you have $50 to spare to satisfy your curiosity I suggest you contact Mr Roy Jinks at S&W and have him research the original shipping records to find out wether your gun was a factory special order. He will send you a letter telling you when it shipped, who it shipped to and what configuration it was ordered in. champ62: That serial number places your gun in late 1984. The markings on the backstrap indicate your gun is one ordered by the royal Hong Kong Police in 1983 and later traded back to S&W against a new order. They were late sold to the civilian market through Accusport in Ohio. __________________ If you're 6'4" 360, with the scraggly beard wearing a kilt, I think you can leave the guns at home. Just throw on your tartan, grab the nearest sledgehammer, and chase the bad guy down on foot while yelling "REMEMBER WILLIAM WALLACE!!!" If he stops before he hits the state line, splatter him - MGshaggy