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Old February 4, 2012, 10:00 AM   #1
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Berry's new Hollow Point bullets

Looks like Speer Gold Dot met its match. Look forward to trying them out.

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Our New Hollow Points are going through process development with a handful of OEM customers, our target date for release will be mid-summer. We'll be offering the hollow points initially in .45, .40 and 9mm and will get it into the full line by the end of the year. At this time we are not taking orders but as soon as we have an update it will be posted on the website. The goal is to replace all of our current Hollow Point bullets with our new design starting with the most popular calibers. Our customer service reps won't have any additional information on the new HP's, stay tuned to the website for updates.
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Old February 4, 2012, 10:08 AM   #2
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Cool. Looks like a Winchester Ranger Bonded was blended with a Speer Gold Dot. Has features of both.
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Old February 4, 2012, 10:23 AM   #3
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Old February 4, 2012, 12:48 PM   #4
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I received that pamphlet as well. It will be interesting to see how they perform and how they are priced.
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Old February 4, 2012, 12:52 PM   #5
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The deal maker or breaker is the price point.
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Old February 4, 2012, 03:40 PM   #6
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I'm sure we'll get a full report from bds, just like the excellent information he provided last year on the 124G HBRN 9mm offering from Berry's.
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Old February 4, 2012, 03:45 PM   #7
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Those are seriuosly sexy!

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Old February 4, 2012, 09:41 PM   #8
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I received that pamphlet as well. It will be interesting to see how they perform and how they are priced.
Me three.
I'm hoping for a serious 9mm SD bullet, preferrably with a conventional rounded ogive (like the cheapie Remington)..

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Old February 4, 2012, 10:03 PM   #9
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I've seen advertisments about this bullet for probably six or seven months.

Come on Berry's, let US try them out for ya.
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Old February 4, 2012, 10:21 PM   #10
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Indeed. I'll take a hundred each in 9mm, .357/38, .40, .44, and .45 please.

Oh wait. No revolver calibers?
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Old February 4, 2012, 10:31 PM   #11
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I just hate the teasing!

I got the teaser flier in the mail the other day.
With no details of how much, or when.

I got teased enough by chaste girlfriends when I was 15 years old.
Enough with the teasing already!

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Old February 4, 2012, 11:01 PM   #12
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All I can say is it will probably rock hard. Very much looking forward to the release!
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Old February 5, 2012, 01:30 AM   #13
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I saw the results Jay Phillips had at the SHOT Show, and they are indeed impressive. The expansion was outstanding, to say the least. It will probably be late summer before they're released to the public.

Hope this helps.

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Old February 5, 2012, 05:37 AM   #14
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RC you can remember what happened when you were 15!!!! I am lucky if I remember to bring in the empty brass from the pickup after a range trip before the bucket fills with water/ice/snow.
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Old February 5, 2012, 10:03 AM   #15
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Miata Mike " The deal maker or breaker is the price point."

.....plus, can you hit anything with them?

Plated anything just hasn't given me the accuracy I'm looking for. For plinking, cast is still as accurate as plated and cheaper to boot.
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Old February 5, 2012, 11:16 AM   #16
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These aren't plinking bullets, but actual SD stuff, like Gold Dot and other plated defensive bullets. So yes, plated can be both accurate and rugged enough. BTW, I also get very good results with Berry's plated 125 grain 7.62x39mm .311 bullet in my CZ 527M.
I use a lot of Berry's plated bullets, and I cast my own for every caliber I shoot, too, excepting 22lr, of course.. Berry's works quite well for me, and there are a lot of people who don't have the space/time for casting.
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Old February 5, 2012, 12:50 PM   #17
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.....plus, can you hit anything with them?

Plated anything just hasn't given me the accuracy I'm looking for.
Although I shot matches with Montana Gold jacketed bullets primarily and practiced with Rainier/Berry's plated bullets for many years, several current commercial bullets that are available now will rival the accuracy of jacketed bullets.

Speer Gold Dot and TMJ bullets are thick plated and can be driven to jacketed velocities with accuracy. Berry's HB-TP (Hollow Base, Thick Plated) bullets can be driven to 1450 fps and 9mm 124 gr HBRN-TP loads are outshooting my reference Winchester 115 gr FMJ/4.8 gr W231/HP-38 loads (about 1" at 15 yards off hand with Glock 17/22-LW conversion barrel) - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...69#post7266869

My guess would be that Berry's MFG probably referenced Speer Gold Dot specs for their new hollow point bullet both in plating thickness and expansion performance. I use bulk Gold Dot and Golden Saber JHP bullets for practice defensive loads comparable to factory counterparts i use in my SD/HD pistols and look forward to doing some side-by-side comparison tests both in accuracy and expansion this summer when Berry's new JHP bullets become available. Maybe Jay from Berry's MFG could make them available for us THR members for advance testing <hint, hint>

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Old February 5, 2012, 01:48 PM   #18
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Not so sure about the Speer TMJ line, but I believe that the Gold Dots are actually jacketed bullets with a bonded core. They do shoot well for me, along with Hornady XTP and HAP's.
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Old February 5, 2012, 01:58 PM   #19
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Speer Gold Dot and TMJ bullets are thick plated (see step #2 below where copper plating is bonded to the lead alloy core "one molecule" at a time" to form a thick plated copper jacket) - http://www.speer-ammo.com/products/gold_dot_const.aspx

I believe Berry's new hollow point bullets are constructed the same as Gold Dots:

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Old February 5, 2012, 02:24 PM   #20
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Speer Gold Dot and TMJ bullets are thick plated (see step #2 below where copper plating is bonded to the lead alloy core "one molecule" at a time" to form a thick plated copper jacket) - http://www.speer-ammo.com/products/gold_dot_const.aspx

I believe Berry's new hollow point bullets are constructed the same as Gold Dots:

thanks for the link. Learned something new today. If they're made the same way as the Gold Dots, they might be worth trying if the price is right.
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Old February 5, 2012, 05:03 PM   #21
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Why would you want to use plated bullets for a SD round? Or are plated hollow points being used by people who want to simulate their SD ammo while practicing, with a lower for projectiles than jacketed HP.
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Old February 5, 2012, 05:07 PM   #22
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why not use plated hollowpoints? the Speer Gold Dot is a proven performer in the SD ammo world.
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Old February 5, 2012, 05:08 PM   #23
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Why? If they work, why not?

Gold Dots are plated, and they work.
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Old February 5, 2012, 06:27 PM   #24
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Why would you want to use plated bullets for a SD round? Or are plated hollow points being used by people who want to simulate their SD ammo while practicing, with a lower for projectiles than jacketed HP.
Jacketed hollow point bullets are essentially lead hollow point bullets with full-length gas checks. When separate jacketing sleeve is used to form the JHP bullet, lead core/jacketing separating can occur on impact, decreasing the terminal effectiveness of the bullet. Bonding of jacketing to the lead core is done to address this problem, hence the introduction of "Bonded JHP" bullets.

With thick plated hollow point bullets like Speer Gold Dot and now Berry's, you don't have the problem of jacketing ever separating from the lead core as the "copper jacket" is plated/bonded one copper molecule at a time to the lead core on a molecular level during the chemical plating process (try separating the plating from a Gold Dot bullet - it's like bone/marrow ). This allows more consistent terminal impact performance of the bullet as the hollow point expands more consistently while retaining the full weight of the bullet.

Although I have relied on various JHP bullets for SD/HD use (Federal HydraShok, Winchester Black Talon/Ranger SXT, Remington Golden Saber, etc.); in recent years, been impressed by the consistent expansion performance of Speer Gold Dot bullets and currently use bulk Gold Dot and Golden Saber bullets to load practice defensive rounds to same OALs/dimensions for similar POA/POI practice as factory JHP rounds I use in carry/HD pistols.

I normally stock up on bulk Golden Saber bullets when MidwayUSA has them on sale. I used to buy Gold Dot bullets from Dillon, but they now only stock 155 gr 40S&W and 158 gr .357 Mag Gold Dot bullets. Recently, I have been getting pulled Gold Dot bullets from RMR but his inventory has dwinded down to only 180 gr 40S&W Gold Dot bullets.

With Speer/ATK as the only current manufacturer of "premium" plated hollow point bullets with quite a large customer base, Berry's new "premium" hollow point bullets will provide healthy market competition for both factory ammunition and for reloaders like us. My guess would be some of the OEM ammunition manufacturers (maybe like Winchester, Remington, DoubleTap, etc.) may use Berry's hollow point bullets to compete against Speer Gold Dot ammunition (and that's probably why Berry's website states they won't have enough bullets to sell to reloaders until summer).

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Old February 5, 2012, 07:18 PM   #25
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I can't go into specifics, but I can tell you the Berry's process is not the exact same as Speer's. The people I do know who know far more about it feel this newer process is superior to the Gold Dot process. Time will tell. Time and FBI protocol testing, plus real world results when those start to come in.
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