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Old August 25, 2012, 02:09 AM   #926
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And next.
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Old August 25, 2012, 02:14 AM   #927
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Last one.
Text proceedures are next. Gonna be a few days gettin' 'em organized. And weekend interferences etc. We'll get 'er done.
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Old August 25, 2012, 07:31 AM   #928
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Thanks Doak, been dreaming of this for years.
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Old August 26, 2012, 11:13 AM   #929
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Conversion Cylinder

I must say I think the idea of using small pistol primers instead of caps is very appealing. This process seems very time consuming though;however I can see that the performance upgrade would just about make up for it. My question to you Doak is this, why not just buy a conversion cylinder? If its all about doing the job yourself and the satisfaction in the job then I can surely relate but the conversion cylinder gives me the same performance advantage with much quicker reload times.
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Old August 26, 2012, 02:32 PM   #930
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I don't know if it's still made or if it will fit a revolver BUT there was a replacement for the nipple commercially available years ago (back in the 70s). It was called the "Flam-N-Go" and it worked just like a Mag-Spark but used small pistol primers. I saw it recently when I was going through an old book called "The Complete Black Powder Handbook" by Sam Fadala. They called it a 'fusil' although I always thought that a fusil was a flintlock rifle.
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Old August 26, 2012, 04:20 PM   #931
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Fusil, I was told, refers to a smoothbore in the original French, but has come to be used with any rifle or single round ball shooting smoothbore since. Even the current French bullpup service rifle bears the title now.

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Old August 26, 2012, 11:27 PM   #932
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OH MY GOSH !!!!!!!
Those are exactly what i need to be able to shoot rubber boolits from my ROA !!!!!!!!
You are a genius Doak !!!!!!
Mmm.. i spect they'd have to accept a large pistol primer tho.
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Old August 27, 2012, 12:10 AM   #933
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Doak, start where you wish, I would love to pick your brains,on all the subjects you've brought up,but particularly would like to hear just what the primer adapters did for your pistols performance(I had searched for this earlier this year), sounds like you've lots to teach us,Welcome to the board.
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Old August 27, 2012, 12:45 AM   #934
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Re: 94RUGER, Conversion Cylinder

94RUGER ~
Tried to answer your post twice. System said I wasn't logged in (again).
Is there a time limit on typing answers?
So I scanned my reply and am sending it as a PDF attachment. Geeeesh!
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Old August 27, 2012, 12:50 AM   #935
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Rubber Bullets

Neat idea Jim, West PA. Might try Magnum small pistol.
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Old August 27, 2012, 01:34 AM   #936
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Fixtures to Make

Kind words robert garner. Thank you. Hoping the brainstormin' will go in both directions.

The Text Proceedures are ready to upload, again, as PDF files. The Texts go w/the drawings. But first, the fixtures, which are heavy in the texts.

There are 3 fixtures that must be made...I think. Havn't been able to get along w/out 'em. Fixtures hold the parts during machining operations.

Their overall dimensions are not important. I made mine outa steel pieces layin' around the shop.

It's a series of 4 attachments again.

In no particular order...the first one is a Mill Fixture Plate.

There are 3 holes in the plate. Only the one in the center of the plate is required. The other 2 were already in the plate, for unknown reasons. It was a scrap piece of steel. Trued it up on the Mill before drilling and tapping the center hole: 12 - 28

The picture on the far right has a punch mark on the upper right corner. Do this so that the fixture can be relocated in the Milling Machine Vise the same orientation each time.
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Old August 27, 2012, 01:49 AM   #937
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Fixtures to Make

OK. The second one is a Mill Fixture Block.

It's drilled allaway thru and tapped 12 -28.

It has a threaded, adjustable depth pin, & a lock nut. All 12 -28. Made the nut outta brass cuz' it's easy to machine, has good grip characteristics, and a large, accurate, flat face surface. Can face off one side of a steel nut too. Also has punch mark in upper right corner.

The face of the pin has a hole drilled in it to accommodate the prong on the Loading Plug.
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Old August 27, 2012, 02:25 AM   #938
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Fixtures to Make

OK. The third one is a Lathe Fixture.

It's made a bit differently. The work end (front) of the fixture has a 12 - 28 threaded hole in it. The back end of the fixture has a 5/16'' - 18 threaded hole in it.

The work end (front) 12 - 28 hole is about 3/8'' deep. The back end 5/16'' - 18 hole goes allaway up to the 12 - 28 hole.

The depth pin also has a hole drilled in it to accommodate the prong on the Loading Plug.

This fixture was made from 1'' cold rolled steel, 1 and 7/16ths inches long. The arrow in the foto points to a punch mark. The first time this piece is chucked up in the lathe, punch mark 12 -28 (front) end in front of jaw no.1. Before facing and drilling and tapping. Always return fixture to punch mark at jaw no.1.
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Old August 27, 2012, 02:28 AM   #939
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Fixtures to Make

OK. There's one more picture of the Lathe Fixture
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Old August 27, 2012, 02:39 AM   #940
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Text Proceedures

OK. Here are the texts to go w/the drawings. Again, in 4 attachments/post
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File Type: pdf Body Mill.PDF (1.06 MB, 12 views)
File Type: pdf Driver Blade Blanks Mill.PDF (1.06 MB, 12 views)
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Old August 27, 2012, 02:42 AM   #941
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Old August 27, 2012, 02:45 AM   #942
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Old August 27, 2012, 06:24 AM   #943
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Have to take a new pictur!e

Augh! I was going to post a pic of my ROA, but when I went to the folder on my HD ALL MY GUN PICS WERE GONE Save me a spot, I'll be back with them as soon as I can.

Mine cost me NOTHING, as it was a Christmas gift from my parents in 1976, IIRC. They didn't want me having a big bore cartridge revolver yet (I was 16, and they weren't used to pistols in the house yet.) I shot my way through many pounds of lead over the next few years. Can't say I took great care of it, but it held up well anyway.

ND game and fish dept. says anything under .50 cal in a muzzleloading pistol is too small for deer here, but it's been known to happen from time-to-time..
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Old August 27, 2012, 08:37 AM   #944
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Neat idea Jim, West PA. Might try Magnum small pistol.
I'd be more than happily willin to test yer LP primer prototype nipples with rubber boolits for ya Doak from my ROA and even other various C&B'ers.
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Old August 27, 2012, 09:45 AM   #945
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Doak,

If you decide to make these commercially, you can sell 6 of them to me.
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Old August 27, 2012, 09:55 AM   #946
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If you decide to make these commercially, you can sell 6 of them to me.
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Old August 27, 2012, 12:48 PM   #947
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I make these in sets of 8: 2 xtra to cover accidental loss. Parts are very small & easy to loose track of. Which is one of their disadvantages.

And which led me to make this storage/loading work block.
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Old August 27, 2012, 01:26 PM   #948
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That is a seriously sweet setup Doak.
Clearly a lot of thought and dedication in your works.
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Old August 27, 2012, 01:29 PM   #949
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This is a set in production rite now. Making these things is like watching paint dry.
What you should see here is bins full of parts, fresh off CNC machines.

My machinery is all manual. We're talkin' slow here! One of the reasons I wanna get this information out there is in hopes that someone w/high production capability will grab this and run w/it. So that I don't hafta make 'em. I'd like to buy some too! I don't think there's enuff money in it to interest that someone.

The other alternative is that yous guys will make your own. I can't possibly satisfy even the slightest demand. Havn't even made enuff of 'em for my own ROAs.
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Well, i've got a friend with a CNC but i don't think he does the actual CAD work himself. Would you be interested in talkin with him if he's interested in talkin with you ?
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