avoiding ear damage with powerful rifles - Page 5

Ranb · October 5, 2012, 11:14 PM

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u can have suppressors in IL, by paying $500 a year for a class III dealer's license. you can make that much on 2-3 sales of such, easily. or pay $1000 a year and get a title II manufacturer's license and make that back on 4 .22 lr cans that you can turn out in one day. I aint wrong, or bsing, either.

No one marks up their silencers enough to profit $500 with the sale of only four cans. A class 2 can also get away with paying only paying a $500 yearly SOT if they do less than $500,000 in business a year.

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the issue is that only a couple of states allow you to hunt with a suppressed gun.

About half of the state allow hunting of game or non-game animals with firearms equipped with silencers. http://www.gem-tech.com/store/pc/pdf...OMPILATION.pdf

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I aint wrong, or bsing, either.

What was that again?

Ranb

Swampman · October 6, 2012, 12:51 AM

@ twinny:
Do you have any idea how competitive the Rimfire can market is now?
There are quite a few major, well respected makers out there, all of them working hard to corner a share of a fairly limited market.

Anyone that's contemplating buying a Rimfire can already knows they're going to have to pay a $200 tax on it. In that situation people tend to shop around and try to educate themselves so that they get the best deal on what is, essentially a lifetime purchase.

I don't know how much business or manufacturing experience you have, but it's not likely that you can start up a suppressor company, even with an excellent design and good financial backing, that could expect to break even for several years. Most likely you'd go down the tube.

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"I aint wrong, or bsing, either."

You're both, because your scenario of expecting to recoup the cost of your SOT with the sale of your first four cans is as wrong as your estimate of the number of states that allow hunting suppressed.

Which as of Sept. 1st, 2012 now includes TEXAS!
WHOOP!

$$Midge$$ · November 2, 2012, 05:29 PM

1. Is it legal to own a silencer?
Under federal law, it has never been illegal to own a silencer. If it is legal for you to buy a handgun, and you live in a state that allows ownership, then it is probably legal for you to own a silencer. The basic requirements are as follows:

i.You must be at least 21 years old
ii.You must live in a state that allows ownership
iii.You must not have any felony convictions
2. Which states allow silencer ownership?
The following states allow private ownership of silencers: AL, AR, AK, AZ, CO, CT, FL, GA, ID, IN, KS, KY, LA, ME, MD, MS, MT, ND, NE, NV, NH, NM, NC, OH, OK, OR, PA, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, VA, WA, WI, WV and WY.

Of the remaining states; CA, IA, MA, MO and MI may allow silencer ownership for people in possession of a valid FFL.

3. Do I need a special license to own a silencer?
No! There are some rumors that you need to have a “Class 3” license to own a silencer; but, this simply isn’t true. You do have to pay for a transfer or “tax stamp” when you first buy the suppressor – but there are no ongoing fees or licenses required. This tax is similar to paying sales tax on a purchase, except that it goes to the federal instead of the state government.

4. Do I give up any rights when I buy a silencer? (Will the ATF start showing up to search my house?)
No.

5. Can I use one silencer for multiple firearms?
Yes. As long as the firearms are threaded in a way that will accept the silencer, you shouldn’t have any problems.

6. Can I use one silencer for multiple calibers?
You can use a larger caliber suppressor to suppress a smaller caliber firearm as long as you have the appropriate adapters. Using a larger caliber silencer is not typically as efficient as a silencer made for your firearm, but it will still be a significant sound reduction in most cases.

7. What is the difference between a suppressor and a silencer?
There is no difference; these are just different words for the same thing. The term “sound suppressor”, or just “suppressor”, is actually more accurate when talking about these devices since they don’t actually silence the firearm.

8. How quiet is a suppressed firearm?
This depends on the firearm and the suppressor. In most cases, the suppressed firearm will be at least as quiet as wearing a good pair of muffs.

9. How will a silencer attach to my firearm(s)?
Once again, this depends on the firearm and the suppressor. The most popular methods include the following:

Some silencers will thread directly onto a threaded barrel
Some silencers require a quick-detach device (like a flash hider, muzzle brake or piston)
Some silencers are built into the firearm itself, providing an integral suppressor
10. How long does it take to register a suppressor?
This can vary widely depending on several factors. As a general rule, you should expect the entire process to take between 2-4 months; although, it could be a bit shorter or longer.

Swampman · November 3, 2012, 03:26 AM

While the following statement is true to an extent, it's not quite this simple.

"6. Can I use one silencer for multiple calibers? You can use a larger caliber suppressor to suppress a smaller caliber firearm as long as you have the appropriate adapters. Using a larger caliber silencer is not typically as efficient as a silencer made for your firearm, but it will still be a significant sound reduction in most cases."

While the .308 bullet from a 30/378 Weatherby is easily small enough to pass through a 9mm pistol suppressor, the pressures generated would turn the can into expensive and possibly lethal shrapnel.

random_gun · November 15, 2012, 07:58 PM

Is that the kind of plug you can get at Walmart?
Thanks for point it out I never noticed I wasn't wearing plugs correctly.
Is 33dB reduction enough for 223/7.62*39/7.62*54(if they work as advertised)?

urbaneruralite · November 19, 2012, 08:36 PM

I like the molded ear plugs for target work. You mix two types of putty and fill up your ear. After they've cured they retain the shape of your ear. You don't have to twist, squish or pull. They sort of screw right in.

When hunting I use the Allen Sound Sensors. If you don't have too much damage you can wear them and still hear a deer crunching leaves.

As I am left-handed, I have more hearing loss in my left ear than my right due to conduction from butt stocks through bones to the nerves in my ear. You can buy products for that, but I have no recommendation.

Ryden · November 20, 2012, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Swampman

While the following statement is true to an extent, it's not quite this simple.

"6. Can I use one silencer for multiple calibers? You can use a larger caliber suppressor to suppress a smaller caliber firearm as long as you have the appropriate adapters. Using a larger caliber silencer is not typically as efficient as a silencer made for your firearm, but it will still be a significant sound reduction in most cases."

While the .308 bullet from a 30/378 Weatherby is easily small enough to pass through a 9mm pistol suppressor, the pressures generated would turn the can into expensive and possibly lethal shrapnel.

As an aside to this, there is at least one manufacturer (Stalon) of silencers that stamps the body (eg. the basic can) with manufacturer name and serial number etc. You can then change inserts and fronts to have different calibers and dampening. The caliber range is .22 to .458

I don't know about the legality of this in the US, but here in Sweden it will be considered a single silencer and require only one permit.

Swampman · November 21, 2012, 02:49 AM

I'm not a lawyer, but in the U.S. I'm pretty sure that this would mean 10 years free room and board...

Ranb · November 21, 2012, 12:33 PM

In the USA every silencer part is by itself a silencer, so parts replacement requires that another $200 tax be paid. The only exception is wipes which can be replaced after destroying the old ones. Even a licensed manufacture is not allowed to make repairs that result in a longer tube, tube replacement or change in bore size. Yeah, it sucks.

Until we can pass a law that intends to promote silencer use instead of criminalize it, then we are stuck with this mess.

Ranb

Ryden · November 22, 2012, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ranb

In the USA every silencer part is by itself a silencer, so parts replacement requires that another $200 tax be paid.

Too bad

Buzsaw · November 22, 2012, 10:04 PM

huh?

106rr · January 29, 2013, 02:37 AM

My hearing damage was from the military. I was a gunner on a 106 Recoilless Rifle. This gun weighs in at 480 pounds. The shells weigh 38 to 43 pounds each. Upon discharge, enough hot gas shoots out the back of the gun to compensate entirely for the recoil of the 4.2 inch HEAT shaped charge leaving the muzzle at 1600 fps. The dual muzzle and breach blast cause immediate total temporary hearing loss. Hearing returns with a high pitched shriek inside your head. The screams of the loader seem quiet and distant. I have endured this hundreds of times. By far, the most painful noise was firing a .45 in a tunnel. This feels like someone is shoving chopsticks in your ears.
I double up with foam ear plugs and electronic muffs every time I shoot. I would like to preserve what little quality of life I have left.

golfshot72 · February 13, 2013, 03:47 PM

This is my first post. Its funny I just came back from picking up my (poured in molded ear plugs). I was shooting next to a guy who had a muzzle brake. I don't know if my ear muffs where sufficient or not, but I am not taking any chances. I am going this Friday and I am doubling up for sure. We will see. Thanks for sharing

October 6, 2012, 12:51 AM	#102
Swampman Member Join Date: October 15, 2011 Location: The Bayous of East Texas Posts: 390	@ twinny: Do you have any idea how competitive the Rimfire can market is now? There are quite a few major, well respected makers out there, all of them working hard to corner a share of a fairly limited market. Anyone that's contemplating buying a Rimfire can already knows they're going to have to pay a $200 tax on it. In that situation people tend to shop around and try to educate themselves so that they get the best deal on what is, essentially a lifetime purchase. I don't know how much business or manufacturing experience you have, but it's not likely that you can start up a suppressor company, even with an excellent design and good financial backing, that could expect to break even for several years. Most likely you'd go down the tube. Quote: "I aint wrong, or bsing, either." You're both, because your scenario of expecting to recoup the cost of your SOT with the sale of your first four cans is as wrong as your estimate of the number of states that allow hunting suppressed. Which as of Sept. 1st, 2012 now includes TEXAS! WHOOP! __________________ "The state tends to expand in proportion to its means of existence and to live beyond its means, and these are, in the last analysis, nothing but the substance of the people. Woe to the people that cannot limit the sphere of action of the state! Freedom, private enterprise, wealth, happiness, independence, personal dignity, all vanish" -- Frederic Bastiat

November 2, 2012, 05:29 PM	#103
$$Midge$$ Member Join Date: January 20, 2012 Posts: 16	This info. should help. 1. Is it legal to own a silencer? Under federal law, it has never been illegal to own a silencer. If it is legal for you to buy a handgun, and you live in a state that allows ownership, then it is probably legal for you to own a silencer. The basic requirements are as follows: i.You must be at least 21 years old ii.You must live in a state that allows ownership iii.You must not have any felony convictions 2. Which states allow silencer ownership? The following states allow private ownership of silencers: AL, AR, AK, AZ, CO, CT, FL, GA, ID, IN, KS, KY, LA, ME, MD, MS, MT, ND, NE, NV, NH, NM, NC, OH, OK, OR, PA, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, VA, WA, WI, WV and WY. Of the remaining states; CA, IA, MA, MO and MI may allow silencer ownership for people in possession of a valid FFL. 3. Do I need a special license to own a silencer? No! There are some rumors that you need to have a “Class 3” license to own a silencer; but, this simply isn’t true. You do have to pay for a transfer or “tax stamp” when you first buy the suppressor – but there are no ongoing fees or licenses required. This tax is similar to paying sales tax on a purchase, except that it goes to the federal instead of the state government. 4. Do I give up any rights when I buy a silencer? (Will the ATF start showing up to search my house?) No. 5. Can I use one silencer for multiple firearms? Yes. As long as the firearms are threaded in a way that will accept the silencer, you shouldn’t have any problems. 6. Can I use one silencer for multiple calibers? You can use a larger caliber suppressor to suppress a smaller caliber firearm as long as you have the appropriate adapters. Using a larger caliber silencer is not typically as efficient as a silencer made for your firearm, but it will still be a significant sound reduction in most cases. 7. What is the difference between a suppressor and a silencer? There is no difference; these are just different words for the same thing. The term “sound suppressor”, or just “suppressor”, is actually more accurate when talking about these devices since they don’t actually silence the firearm. 8. How quiet is a suppressed firearm? This depends on the firearm and the suppressor. In most cases, the suppressed firearm will be at least as quiet as wearing a good pair of muffs. 9. How will a silencer attach to my firearm(s)? Once again, this depends on the firearm and the suppressor. The most popular methods include the following: Some silencers will thread directly onto a threaded barrel Some silencers require a quick-detach device (like a flash hider, muzzle brake or piston) Some silencers are built into the firearm itself, providing an integral suppressor 10. How long does it take to register a suppressor? This can vary widely depending on several factors. As a general rule, you should expect the entire process to take between 2-4 months; although, it could be a bit shorter or longer.

November 3, 2012, 03:26 AM	#104
Swampman Member Join Date: October 15, 2011 Location: The Bayous of East Texas Posts: 390	While the following statement is true to an extent, it's not quite this simple. "6. Can I use one silencer for multiple calibers? You can use a larger caliber suppressor to suppress a smaller caliber firearm as long as you have the appropriate adapters. Using a larger caliber silencer is not typically as efficient as a silencer made for your firearm, but it will still be a significant sound reduction in most cases." While the .308 bullet from a 30/378 Weatherby is easily small enough to pass through a 9mm pistol suppressor, the pressures generated would turn the can into expensive and possibly lethal shrapnel. __________________ "The state tends to expand in proportion to its means of existence and to live beyond its means, and these are, in the last analysis, nothing but the substance of the people. Woe to the people that cannot limit the sphere of action of the state! Freedom, private enterprise, wealth, happiness, independence, personal dignity, all vanish" -- Frederic Bastiat

November 21, 2012, 02:49 AM	#108
Swampman Member Join Date: October 15, 2011 Location: The Bayous of East Texas Posts: 390	I'm not a lawyer, but in the U.S. I'm pretty sure that this would mean 10 years free room and board... __________________ "The state tends to expand in proportion to its means of existence and to live beyond its means, and these are, in the last analysis, nothing but the substance of the people. Woe to the people that cannot limit the sphere of action of the state! Freedom, private enterprise, wealth, happiness, independence, personal dignity, all vanish" -- Frederic Bastiat

November 15, 2012, 07:58 PM	#105
random_gun Member Join Date: October 20, 2011 Posts: 59	Is that the kind of plug you can get at Walmart? Thanks for point it out I never noticed I wasn't wearing plugs correctly. Is 33dB reduction enough for 223/7.6239/7.6254(if they work as advertised)?

November 19, 2012, 08:36 PM	#106
urbaneruralite Member Join Date: October 28, 2007 Posts: 92	I like the molded ear plugs for target work. You mix two types of putty and fill up your ear. After they've cured they retain the shape of your ear. You don't have to twist, squish or pull. They sort of screw right in. When hunting I use the Allen Sound Sensors. If you don't have too much damage you can wear them and still hear a deer crunching leaves. As I am left-handed, I have more hearing loss in my left ear than my right due to conduction from butt stocks through bones to the nerves in my ear. You can buy products for that, but I have no recommendation.

November 21, 2012, 12:33 PM	#109
Ranb Member Join Date: December 15, 2003 Location: WA, USA Posts: 820	In the USA every silencer part is by itself a silencer, so parts replacement requires that another $200 tax be paid. The only exception is wipes which can be replaced after destroying the old ones. Even a licensed manufacture is not allowed to make repairs that result in a longer tube, tube replacement or change in bore size. Yeah, it sucks. Until we can pass a law that intends to promote silencer use instead of criminalize it, then we are stuck with this mess. Ranb

November 22, 2012, 10:04 PM	#111
Buzsaw Member Join Date: October 7, 2012 Location: Newcastle WY Posts: 7	huh?

January 29, 2013, 02:37 AM	#112
106rr Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Location: CA Posts: 520	My hearing damage was from the military. I was a gunner on a 106 Recoilless Rifle. This gun weighs in at 480 pounds. The shells weigh 38 to 43 pounds each. Upon discharge, enough hot gas shoots out the back of the gun to compensate entirely for the recoil of the 4.2 inch HEAT shaped charge leaving the muzzle at 1600 fps. The dual muzzle and breach blast cause immediate total temporary hearing loss. Hearing returns with a high pitched shriek inside your head. The screams of the loader seem quiet and distant. I have endured this hundreds of times. By far, the most painful noise was firing a .45 in a tunnel. This feels like someone is shoving chopsticks in your ears. I double up with foam ear plugs and electronic muffs every time I shoot. I would like to preserve what little quality of life I have left.

February 13, 2013, 03:47 PM	#113
golfshot72 Member Join Date: February 9, 2013 Location: West Palm Beach, FL Posts: 5	This is my first post. Its funny I just came back from picking up my (poured in molded ear plugs). I was shooting next to a guy who had a muzzle brake. I don't know if my ear muffs where sufficient or not, but I am not taking any chances. I am going this Friday and I am doubling up for sure. We will see. Thanks for sharing