New York State Ban - We need your help as well as other states - Page 4

Paladin7 · January 15, 2013, 12:12 PM

Please call now!!!

The nys assembly is debating the bill now and are taking calls.

One staffer told me that they are taking the number of calls and updating their assemblymen on the floor real time.

Your calls are critical now.

Thanks!

mboylan · January 15, 2013, 01:17 PM

This probably will be passed and signed by Cuomo. Next step is to get an injunction ASAP. Several parts of this law will not hold up in court.

GlockFan · January 15, 2013, 01:39 PM

Good luck to you guys. It sounds bad...and this from a guy in Illinois! Hope we can stop this and but an end to this stupidity.

**hso** · January 15, 2013, 01:49 PM

Are they taking emails as well as calls and updating the legislators on those numbers?

Has it been pointed out that banning without grandfathering is confiscation since it is denial of property to existing owners.

steveracer · January 15, 2013, 01:55 PM

Ex Post Facto laws are against the NYS constitution. This would easily crumble under state court scrutiny. I will happily be the guinea pig. I maintain a NYS driver's license and my folks live there. I will load up all my 10 round mags and stick them on the dash and get pulled for speeding and see what happens. I'll be soliciting for defense funds shortly thereafter.

dom1104 · January 15, 2013, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steveracer

Ex Post Facto laws are against the NYS constitution. This would easily crumble under state court scrutiny. I will happily be the guinea pig. I maintain a NYS driver's license and my folks live there. I will load up all my 10 round mags and stick them on the dash and get pulled for speeding and see what happens. I'll be soliciting for defense funds shortly thereafter.

Really? Or just for internet-funny?

steveracer · January 15, 2013, 02:04 PM

Really. Like, I already told my boss to expect my phone call about it.

gfanikf · January 15, 2013, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steveracer

Really. Like, I already told my boss to expect my phone call about it.

The only problem is the law isn't ex post facto. It would be ex post facto if it made it a crime to own them a year ago.

Evergreen · January 15, 2013, 04:24 PM

I am just wondering what will happen when the New York government starts trying to confiscate all the magazines that they believe are being illegally possessed. I personally fear there will potentially be bloodshed and violence. Some say any violence committed by people defending their property will be fuel for even more gun confiscations, although I myself, don't necessarily agree. I think the people who are now considered criminals are probably respectable people in their communities and their imprisonment or murder would not be looked on favorably.

All I know is, in theory, if I was a New Yorker and the government was knocking on my door and demanding I turn in all my magazines or risk imprisonment, I don't think I would comply.

All I can say is I am in shock and fear that this legislation can infect other states.

New Yorkers need to become very vigilant and organize themselves to fight these Unconstitutional laws.

mf-dif · January 15, 2013, 09:00 PM

This is a horrible blow to the constitutional rights to the citizens of New York. I hope this can be overturned by the SCOTUS.

dcarch · January 15, 2013, 09:33 PM

Praying for you folks.

the_skunk · January 15, 2013, 09:39 PM

They now record anyone that buys ammo ..... I would say the show is over for gun owners

Jim K · January 15, 2013, 09:44 PM

I like the section that allows the use of an assault weapon on a firing range if it has been rendered permanenty inoperable! Even if I favored that bill, I would have to say the idiot that wrote that should never be allowed to sit in any legislature.

Jim

dcarch · January 15, 2013, 09:45 PM

Time for y'all to get the heck out of that state. Wonder what Kimber and Remington are going to do?

1stmarine · January 15, 2013, 09:55 PM

The bill was printed at 11pm and voted on at 11:30pm. I am sure many didn't even read it and of course no hearings
were allowed. Totally unheard off.
Overnight they made criminals of honest citizens, security personnel, firefighters, law enforcement and other public servants.
Cuomo is not thinking about what is best for New York and is looking for the high fives from Obama at the state
of the union address. Cuomo 2016, God save us all !!

Sign up here. It takes a minute...

http://nysecond.org/

http://impeachandrewcuomo.com

Billy Shears · January 15, 2013, 10:06 PM

Quote:

This is about needs. It's about rights. The burden is on the government to demonstrate why they "need" to curtail our rights. They've have failed to provide any evidence that banning these weapons would make us safer, thus they have failed to establish a need.

As far as Morgan and his side are concerned they did address it. When he rattled off the litany of mass shootings perpetrated with an AR-15, as far they are concerned, that alone establishes the need. Having asserted that the AR-15 is the mass murderer's weapon of choice, and further asserting that they can envision no self-defense scenario where an honest citizen would need that kind of firepower provides them all the justification they think they need. Never mind that you and I CAN envision scenarios where an honest citizen would need that much firepower, they can't, and no one has articulated such a case to them. (The argument that citizens might need such weapons against a government grown tyrannical one day was met, as you saw, with contempt and derision.) So Morgan and his ilk can sit back and smugly claim to support the 2nd amendment and the right of self-defense, while simultaneously claiming the ban of high capacity magazines and semi-automatic firearms as "reasonable" restrictions that don't infringe a person's right to self-defense or his ability to exercise it.

We need to better articulate why they are dead wrong on both counts. We're in a war of ideas. Victory will go to the more persuasive and articulate side.

1stmarine · January 15, 2013, 10:20 PM

Victory goes to the sensationalist media and those who fuel that media with the fears of a brainless population. All politicians do is to see the opportunity and exploit those fears to further their radical agendas.
Tomorrow you will see Obama surrounded by little children to give his message.

It is history repeating itself over and over again. Edward Murrow warned about these dangers and they are here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anNEJJYLU8M

Billy Shears · January 15, 2013, 10:34 PM

I thought NY state senator Greg Ball spoke rather effectively on the matter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=2rRSUEaLKvA

He was quite right; you have people out there with dangerous mental health issues, and people who have children they fear are ticking time bombs and need help with them, not getting it, and the NY state legislature has done nothing to address that problem. Instead they chose to do the easy thing: to grandstand about gun control and pat themselves on the back that they've done something to prevent violence. They haven't, of course. The bill was rushed through in the middle of the night, it got no public discussion at all, and was passed by state senators who had not even read it. It transparently is not a well-thought out, carefully considered, legitimate effort to make the people of NY state safer. It is, as Sen. Ball observed, a naked attempt on the part of a 2016 Democratic presidential contender to take a big, strategic highly visible national lead on the "progressive" cause du jour.

boom boom · January 15, 2013, 10:36 PM

I would suggest that 2nd Amendment supporting Dem's on this board, especially if you are from Iowa and New Hampshire, point out to Mr. Cuomo through emails, faxes, and phone calls, that signing this midnight bill to take away your rights will seriously affect his presidential chances in 2016.

1stmarine · January 15, 2013, 11:31 PM

Thank you guys! you are the best.
We are also in the lookout for your states and for Obama's circus performance that is about to start.

Cuomo and his buddies forced a 'legalized' illegal law and sold us out.

The Cosa Nostra would be a lot better because they would be up front so you would know what to expect when something was going to be enforced upon you.

Cuomo as president would be another total failure just like the current one.
I hope the GOP put their $hit together by then.

Okiegunner · January 16, 2013, 12:11 AM

A question???

Will Gov. Cuomo's security staff be limited to 7 bullets?

OpelBlitz · January 16, 2013, 12:13 AM

Doubtful. You should ask.

1stmarine · January 16, 2013, 12:30 AM

I think even less than 7 because he might have banned all the ammunition and manufactures will no longer want to do business with Newyorkistan so his full time security detail will be out of ammo soon. Or those might be able to order online while he pretends he is not looking.

Welcome to the new world order. Cuomo for Fuhrer in 2016. wow!

**hso** · January 16, 2013, 07:54 AM

Cuomo's War is a NYS ban opposition site that has some coordination information . http://cuomoswar.com/2013/01/16/peti...-help-save-ny/

burk · January 16, 2013, 07:20 PM

Question about the National Socailist Republic of NY state gun ban.

They are requiring NICS checks for ammunition purchases (as I understand). My understanding of NICS is that it is a Federal system (I work part time at a Big box gun counter) designed only for the checking of backgrounds on the purchase of Hand gun or Long gun. Wouldn't there have to be Federal legislation to authorize access for background checks for ammo purchases? My understanding of the Federal statute is that to use the NICS system for any other reason is illegal.

January 15, 2013, 01:49 PM	#79
hso Moderator Join Date: January 3, 2003 Location: 0 hrs east of TN Posts: 33,823	Are they taking emails as well as calls and updating the legislators on those numbers? Has it been pointed out that banning without grandfathering is confiscation since it is denial of property to existing owners. __________________ SAF Life Member/NRAILA Contributor **************** Please Read The Forum Rules** TheHighRoad exists to provide a higher grade of discussion than is found on some other gun forums so antis and undecideds can see that gun owners and RKBA advocates are not the reckless misanthropes they tell everyone we are. Personal attacks, group stereotyping, macho chest-thumping, and partisan hackery are low road and hurt all of us.

January 15, 2013, 01:55 PM	#80
steveracer Member Join Date: June 10, 2005 Location: VA Beach Posts: 1,435	Ex Post Facto laws are against the NYS constitution. This would easily crumble under state court scrutiny. I will happily be the guinea pig. I maintain a NYS driver's license and my folks live there. I will load up all my 10 round mags and stick them on the dash and get pulled for speeding and see what happens. I'll be soliciting for defense funds shortly thereafter. __________________ "The most brutal part of the zombie apocalypse is pretending I'm not excited."- Deer Hunter

January 15, 2013, 02:04 PM	#82
steveracer Member Join Date: June 10, 2005 Location: VA Beach Posts: 1,435	Really. Like, I already told my boss to expect my phone call about it. __________________ "The most brutal part of the zombie apocalypse is pretending I'm not excited."- Deer Hunter

January 15, 2013, 04:24 PM	#84
Evergreen Member Join Date: June 16, 2009 Location: Tacoma Area, WA Posts: 459	I am just wondering what will happen when the New York government starts trying to confiscate all the magazines that they believe are being illegally possessed. I personally fear there will potentially be bloodshed and violence. Some say any violence committed by people defending their property will be fuel for even more gun confiscations, although I myself, don't necessarily agree. I think the people who are now considered criminals are probably respectable people in their communities and their imprisonment or murder would not be looked on favorably. All I know is, in theory, if I was a New Yorker and the government was knocking on my door and demanding I turn in all my magazines or risk imprisonment, I don't think I would comply. All I can say is I am in shock and fear that this legislation can infect other states. New Yorkers need to become very vigilant and organize themselves to fight these Unconstitutional laws. __________________ Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State. -Heinrich Himmler, Nazi Leader

January 15, 2013, 09:33 PM	#86
dcarch Member Join Date: October 2, 2010 Location: The Hawkeye State Posts: 998	Praying for you folks. __________________ Iowa State Code 10465A: All persons operating a truck, or other vehicle with a cab and/or cargo bay area shall be required to raise at least two fingers in cordial acknowledgment to other drivers while utilizing all public roads within the state of Iowa. This law does not apply to residents of cities with a population exceeding 7,500 persons.

January 15, 2013, 12:12 PM	#76
Paladin7 Member Join Date: August 16, 2003 Posts: 306	Please call now!!! The nys assembly is debating the bill now and are taking calls. One staffer told me that they are taking the number of calls and updating their assemblymen on the floor real time. Your calls are critical now. Thanks!

January 15, 2013, 01:17 PM	#77
mboylan Member Join Date: September 23, 2009 Posts: 231	This probably will be passed and signed by Cuomo. Next step is to get an injunction ASAP. Several parts of this law will not hold up in court.

January 15, 2013, 09:00 PM	#85
mf-dif Member Join Date: July 8, 2012 Location: Illinois Posts: 233	This is a horrible blow to the constitutional rights to the citizens of New York. I hope this can be overturned by the SCOTUS.

January 15, 2013, 09:39 PM	#87
the_skunk Member Join Date: March 1, 2011 Posts: 114	They now record anyone that buys ammo ..... I would say the show is over for gun owners

January 15, 2013, 09:44 PM	#88
Jim K Member Join Date: December 31, 2002 Posts: 13,226	I like the section that allows the use of an assault weapon on a firing range if it has been rendered permanenty inoperable! Even if I favored that bill, I would have to say the idiot that wrote that should never be allowed to sit in any legislature. Jim

January 15, 2013, 09:45 PM	#89
dcarch Member Join Date: October 2, 2010 Location: The Hawkeye State Posts: 998	Time for y'all to get the heck out of that state. Wonder what Kimber and Remington are going to do? __________________ Iowa State Code 10465A: All persons operating a truck, or other vehicle with a cab and/or cargo bay area shall be required to raise at least two fingers in cordial acknowledgment to other drivers while utilizing all public roads within the state of Iowa. This law does not apply to residents of cities with a population exceeding 7,500 persons.

January 15, 2013, 09:55 PM	#90
1stmarine Member Join Date: November 29, 2010 Location: The high road when I can find one although it is getting harder every day. Posts: 1,967	The bill was printed at 11pm and voted on at 11:30pm. I am sure many didn't even read it and of course no hearings were allowed. Totally unheard off. Overnight they made criminals of honest citizens, security personnel, firefighters, law enforcement and other public servants. Cuomo is not thinking about what is best for New York and is looking for the high fives from Obama at the state of the union address. Cuomo 2016, God save us all !! Sign up here. It takes a minute... http://nysecond.org/ http://impeachandrewcuomo.com __________________ Giving money and power to Government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys. -- P.J. O'Rourke

January 15, 2013, 10:20 PM	#92
1stmarine Member Join Date: November 29, 2010 Location: The high road when I can find one although it is getting harder every day. Posts: 1,967	Victory goes to the sensationalist media and those who fuel that media with the fears of a brainless population. All politicians do is to see the opportunity and exploit those fears to further their radical agendas. Tomorrow you will see Obama surrounded by little children to give his message. It is history repeating itself over and over again. Edward Murrow warned about these dangers and they are here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anNEJJYLU8M __________________ Giving money and power to Government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys. -- P.J. O'Rourke

January 15, 2013, 10:34 PM	#93
Billy Shears Member Join Date: March 16, 2008 Posts: 780	I thought NY state senator Greg Ball spoke rather effectively on the matter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=2rRSUEaLKvA He was quite right; you have people out there with dangerous mental health issues, and people who have children they fear are ticking time bombs and need help with them, not getting it, and the NY state legislature has done nothing to address that problem. Instead they chose to do the easy thing: to grandstand about gun control and pat themselves on the back that they've done something to prevent violence. They haven't, of course. The bill was rushed through in the middle of the night, it got no public discussion at all, and was passed by state senators who had not even read it. It transparently is not a well-thought out, carefully considered, legitimate effort to make the people of NY state safer. It is, as Sen. Ball observed, a naked attempt on the part of a 2016 Democratic presidential contender to take a big, strategic highly visible national lead on the "progressive" cause du jour.

January 15, 2013, 10:36 PM	#94
boom boom Member Join Date: September 24, 2007 Location: GA Posts: 39	A modest proposal I would suggest that 2nd Amendment supporting Dem's on this board, especially if you are from Iowa and New Hampshire, point out to Mr. Cuomo through emails, faxes, and phone calls, that signing this midnight bill to take away your rights will seriously affect his presidential chances in 2016.

January 15, 2013, 11:31 PM	#95
1stmarine Member Join Date: November 29, 2010 Location: The high road when I can find one although it is getting harder every day. Posts: 1,967	Thank you guys! you are the best. We are also in the lookout for your states and for Obama's circus performance that is about to start. Cuomo and his buddies forced a 'legalized' illegal law and sold us out. The Cosa Nostra would be a lot better because they would be up front so you would know what to expect when something was going to be enforced upon you. Cuomo as president would be another total failure just like the current one. I hope the GOP put their $hit together by then. __________________ Giving money and power to Government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys. -- P.J. O'Rourke

January 16, 2013, 12:11 AM	#96
Okiegunner Member Join Date: January 19, 2012 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 612	A question??? Will Gov. Cuomo's security staff be limited to 7 bullets?

January 16, 2013, 12:13 AM	#97
OpelBlitz Member Join Date: July 15, 2009 Location: West Chicago, IL Posts: 398	Doubtful. You should ask.

January 16, 2013, 12:30 AM	#98
1stmarine Member Join Date: November 29, 2010 Location: The high road when I can find one although it is getting harder every day. Posts: 1,967	I think even less than 7 because he might have banned all the ammunition and manufactures will no longer want to do business with Newyorkistan so his full time security detail will be out of ammo soon. Or those might be able to order online while he pretends he is not looking. Welcome to the new world order. Cuomo for Fuhrer in 2016. wow! __________________ Giving money and power to Government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys. -- P.J. O'Rourke

January 16, 2013, 07:54 AM	#99
hso Moderator Join Date: January 3, 2003 Location: 0 hrs east of TN Posts: 33,823	Cuomo's War is a NYS ban opposition site that has some coordination information . http://cuomoswar.com/2013/01/16/peti...-help-save-ny/ __________________ SAF Life Member/NRAILA Contributor **************** Please Read The Forum Rules** TheHighRoad exists to provide a higher grade of discussion than is found on some other gun forums so antis and undecideds can see that gun owners and RKBA advocates are not the reckless misanthropes they tell everyone we are. Personal attacks, group stereotyping, macho chest-thumping, and partisan hackery are low road and hurt all of us.

January 16, 2013, 07:20 PM	#100
burk Member Join Date: July 16, 2005 Posts: 115	Question about the National Socailist Republic of NY state gun ban. They are requiring NICS checks for ammunition purchases (as I understand). My understanding of NICS is that it is a Federal system (I work part time at a Big box gun counter) designed only for the checking of backgrounds on the purchase of Hand gun or Long gun. Wouldn't there have to be Federal legislation to authorize access for background checks for ammo purchases? My understanding of the Federal statute is that to use the NICS system for any other reason is illegal.