New York State Ban - We need your help as well as other states

[1stmarine]

Originally Posted by chipcom

congrats, I am happy to admit that perhaps I was wrong about NY just rolling over.

I'm not sure what we can do from outside your state besides give money, but if and when stuff starts to get hard, I for one will help you all out in any way I can.

Thanks for your support. You can bet your azz we are going to fight to the end.
Whatever it takes.

Click on the picture to play the video...

[tomrkba]

Is this the SCOPE website? There are several orgs with "scope" in the name.

http://scopeny.org/index.html

I recommend you contact three people:

1) Michael Bane. He has tons of contacts and I am sure he will help you out. He talked about NY's situation on his radio show.

2) Tom Gresham of GunTalk. I am very positive you could get on his radio show and get some exposure.

3) Phillip Van Cleave of VCDL. He will help you with making your org more politically effective. Ask him about "Lobby Day" and other activities VCDL is involved in. They do provide assistance in creating VCDL-like orgs in other states. These guys really know how to work the legislators. vcdl.org

[1stmarine]

Many Thanks! That is great information!

THIS IS THE RIGHT GOVERNOR CUOMO AND HIS GANG TOOK AWAY FROM THE CITIZENS
OF NY STATE. IT IS NOT ONLY IRRATIONAL BUT IRRESPONSIBLE.

http://www.13wham.com/news/local/sto...wgAZpGO4g.cspx

[michaelbsc]

Well, I thought this was an interesting tidbit about the government seeing the AR15 as a suitable personal defense weapon rather than as an "assault" weapon.


http://radioviceonline.com/departmen...sonal-defense/

[1stmarine]

GOVERNOR BALL, A TRUE PATRIOT.
http://www.nysenate.gov/press-releas...cuomo-gun-grab

[glennv]

Wait until there is a huge event in a particular city or town that generates tons of revenue. Get as many people you can to logjam the roads by joyriding for several hours in that area. Art festivals, concerts.... Get even.

[pickupman]

If you live in NY State, you know by now that the #$%$#& in Albany are going to do just what they want. Leave the state. Aren't you sick of the high taxes and crummy weather by now? This new law is just another example of why millions have left NY State.

[Tom from WNY]

1stmarine: We in WNY are just as torqued as you are. We are also glad that you folks (I'm assuming you are from CNY) are active and vocal. I have been sickened by the tyranny of our dictatorial Legislature. Here's what I have proposed for the next step, write or e-mail all the firearms and accessory companies you can think of the following:

I am a law abiding New York State firearms owner and taxpayer. I do not appreciate that the Government of my State is making me a criminal; especially to serve the venial, pernicious ego of some of our politicians.

In the SAFE act, there were no provisions for transfer of "large capacity ammunition feeding devices" or possession of same by Law Enforcement. After April 15, 2013, it will be illegal to sell a magazine holding more than 7 rounds in NYS.

As a law abiding gun owner in New York State, I cannot, in good consciousness, support purchasing any product from any manufacturer who:

A) Does not immediately cease to ship to New York State any magazine of greater than 10 round capacity. Cease shipment of magazines of 7-10 rounds after April 15. Standing contracts signed prior to January 14, 2013, for magazines holding more than 10 rounds for law enforcement firearms should be filled in accordance with contract terms; as well as exempting sales to Federal Agencies. This applies across the board; civilian and law enforcement sales.

B) Continues to ship handguns for any reason, including law enforcement sales, to New York State capable of accepting a magazine holding more than 7 rounds. Again, exempt current standing contracts in force prior to January 14, 2013 and Federal sales.

C) Does not immediately cease shipment of any rifle or carbine that meets the NY definition of an assault rifle to New York State for any reason, including law enforcement sales. Again, exempt standing contracts in force prior to January 14, 2013.

When the laws are changed to allow us, law abiding New York citizen firearms owners, to retain our pre-9/13/1994 (Federal AWB) magazines without criminal penalty and have new 10 round magazines that we can load and carry with 10 rounds, then, by all means, please ship 10 round and full capacity magazines and handguns, with proper restrictions and legal disclaimers, to law enforcement for those holding more than 10 rounds.

Thank you for your understanding and cooperation. While this may seem like an odd request, we, in New York appreciate the support of those in industry who see our situation.

I am trying to get a national effort to spread this letter and get your friends to do so as well. We need to inform gun and accessory companies we have a voice with our wallets as well as our votes for politicians who support us. Also, support Assemblyman David DePietro, Senator Kathy Marchionne in their petiiton efforts; there is strength in numbers.

To those who do not live in NYS, I have the following to say: Blog away and opine that we, in NYS are laying down and doing this to ourselves. This is coming to your state of residence NOW! Look at DiFi's bill; this is what the Progressive Democrat Liberals want and nothing else. We know how to fight, this is the nightmare that we knew would come, we fought constantly and the battle is what we know. For those of you in "gun friendly" states; well even Wyoming residents are finding out there are ant-gun politicians in your state who would gladly strip you of your rights and flog you in to an embarassing state of humiliation.

MARK MY WORDS, UNLESS YOU JOIN THE BATTLE NOW, IT WILL HAPPEN IN YOUR STATE OF RESIDENCE SOON. WE NEED TO JOIN TOGETHER AT CONCORD BRIDGE OR SUFFER SERFDOM SEPARATLEY.

[1stmarine]

This is in fact a Tyranny and the supreme court will find it this way.
Cuomo shot himself on the foot and for this he will never be president.

But in certain way I am happy this happened because when people saw the list of proposals that were negotiated including confiscation and basically almost total disarmament then the thousands of silent 2A supporters are not silent anymore. Bloomberg is also behind this who is the vivid reincarnation of Adolf Hitler, and I am not exaggerating.

Please watch the below video. I find it very Instructive. Please Share all over.

This is what is happening all over America. It is not about the guns but the fear and how some are taking the emotions and those fears to exploit radical political agendas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...;v=kKpLhNiC8zg

Cuomo you took the same oath but you failed.
You and your gang are nothing but a bunch of thugs.

[Cactus Jack Arizona]

I truly feel for you gun guys out there in NY. This is nothing short of a travesty.

Not to be skeptical, but how am I to help those in NY all the way from Missouri?

All I can offer is the info contained in the link below that discusses the US Supreme Court ruling of such Amendments as the 2nd Amendment.

http://www.examiner.com/article/us-s...tution-is-void

Good Luck

[Tom from WNY]

Cactus Jack: Thank you for your offer of assistance. Read the letter I am sending to manufacturer's of firearms and accessories. Modify it a bit, send the same to those manufacturer's. They will listen as their margin will be affected.

Write your representatives in Congress and your State. Make your position crystal clear. VOTE! Contribute to the NRA-ILA and your State RKBA associations, even the cost of a box of ammo will help them.

Encourage all your friends to do the same. Remember, this is not just about hi-cap handguns and modern sporting rifles; as we found out in NYS, they want 'em all; every last one of them as DiFi stated.

[bowserb]

New York gun owners saying are saying NO, we won't register.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...r-new-york-law

[1stmarine]

Originally Posted by bowserb

New York gun owners saying are saying NO, we won't register.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...r-new-york-law

Yes! I saw that Article. It reflects the general feeling. Even non gun owners are saying why all these stupid laws when the State is broke and faces so many other challenges?

[1stmarine]

NY SHERIFFS WILL NOT ENFORCE THESE LAWS.
CUOMO SHOT HIMSELF ON THE FOOT.

http://rochesterhomepage.net/fulltext?nxd_id=367362

http://rochesterhomepage.net/images/...A%20letter.pdf

Here is their letter:

Sheriffs’ Response to NY SAFE Act
Following passage of the SAFE Act by the State Legislature and approval by the Governor, the Sheriffs now have had the opportunity to review the language of the new law and wish to make our comments available.

The Sheriffs of New York state support many of the provisions
of the SAFE Act, and believe that they will enhance public safety and help to shield citizens from gun violence. However, there are also some parts of this new law that need clarification, and some that we think should be reconsidered and modified to meet the concerns of the law enforcement community and the public at large.

We have identified the following six provisions of the new law which we believe are helpful and will increase the safety of our citizens.

These include:
• Restriction on FOIL requests about pistol permit holders. By granting citizens the option of having their names and addresses withheld from public disclosure, the new law does provide a mechanism to allow people to decide for themselves whether their personal information should be accessible to the public. We believe, however, that no
one should have to explain why their personal information should remain confidential. A better procedure, we believe, is simply to exempt all this personal information from FOIL disclosure.

• Killing of emergency first responders. The new law makes killing of emergency first responders aggravated or first degree murder, enhancing penalties for this crime and
requiring life without parole. First responders need this protection, evidenced all too often by attacks on them when they attempt to provide help, and in special recognition
of the terrible attacks on two firefighters in Webster, NY and attacks on first responders in Jefferson County.

• Requirement of NICS checks for private sales (except between immediate family). We believe that this will ensure that responsible citizens will still be able to obtain legal
firearms through private transactions, with the added assurance that private buyers are approved by the federal National Instant Criminal Background Check System. We
remain concerned that this provision will be very difficult to enforce and will likely only affect law abiding citizens.

• Comprehensive review of mental health records before firearms permits are granted and review of records to determine if revocation of permits is required. Sheriffs
believe that there is an urgent need to increase funding for mental health care. The new law imposes reporting requirements on many mental health care professionals and
others who may make a determination that a person is a danger to himself or others. The law further gives needed authority to courts or others who issue firearms permits to
deny permit applications or to revoke permits already issued. We believe that this issue demands a much more full and detailed discussion about how to keep guns out of the
hands of such people. The Sheriffs of New York want to pursue these issues with the Governor and the State Legislature.

• Safe storage of firearms. The new law provides that guns must be safely stored if the owner lives with someone who has been convicted of a felony or domestic violence crime, has been involuntarily committed, or is currently under an order of protection. We agree that firearms owners should have the responsibility to make sure that their weapons are safeguarded against use or access by prohibited persons, and the new law adds these protections to ensure that weapons are safely and securely stored.

• Increased penalties for illegal use of weapons. The new law adds several increased sanctions for violation of New York gun laws and creates new gun crimes which did not previously exist. These new provisions will provide added tools for law enforcement to prosecute such crimes. We further believe that the new provisions should help deter future misuse of firearms. We also suggest that the legislature consider limitations on plea bargaining for all gun crimes.

We have reviewed other provisions of the new law, and strongly believe that modifications are needed to clarify the intent of some of these new provisions and that revisions are
needed to allow Sheriffs to properly enforce the law in their counties.

• Assault weapon ban and definition of assault weapons. We believe that the new definition of assault weapons is too broad, and prevents the possession of many weapons that are legitimately used for hunting, target shooting and self defense. Classifying firearms as assault weapons because of one arbitrary feature effectively deprives people the right to possess firearms which have never before been designated
as assault weapons. We are convinced that only law abiding gun owners will be affected by these new provisions, while criminals will still have and use whatever weapons they
want.

• Inspection of schools by state agencies. The new law transfers to state agencies the responsibility to review school safety plans. We expect that funding will be transferred to these state agencies to implement safety proposals. Sheriffs and local police provide this service in all parts of the state and can perform these duties efficiently. As the chief law enforcement officer of the county, Sheriffs are in the best position to know the security needs of schools in their own counties, and the state should help to fund these existing efforts by Sheriffs and local police departments to keep our schools safe. Because Sheriffs and local police are already deeply involved with school safety plans, have developed emergency response plans, and are familiar with structural layouts of schools in their counties, they should be included along with state counterparts in any effort to review school safety plans.

• Reduction of ammunition magazine capacity. The new law enacts reductions in the maximum capacity of gun magazines. We believe based on our years of law enforcement experience that this will not reduce gun violence. The new law will unfairly limit the ability of law‐abiding citizens to purchase firearms in New York. It bears repeating that it is our belief that the reduction of magazine capacity will not
make New Yorkers or our communities safer.

• Five year recertification of pistol permit status and registration of existing assault weapons. The new law delegates to the State Police the duty to solicit and receive
updated personal information of permit holders every five years in order to maintain these permits. Further, the law requires owners of certain existing firearms now classified as assault weapons to register these with the State Police within one year. The recertification and registration conflict with Sheriffs’ duties regarding issuance of pistol permits. All records should be maintained at the local, and not the state level. This information should be accessible to those who are responsible for initial investigation of permit applications. Pistol permit information should be maintained in one file at the local level, and forwarded to a statewide database for law enforcement use. It bears repeating that it is our belief that pistol permit and any registration information required by the law should be confidential and protected from FOIL disclosure.

• Sale of ammunition. The new law imposes several new provisions regarding how, and from whom, ammunition can be lawfully purchased. The law should be clarified about the use of the Internet as a vehicle for these sales, out‐of‐state sales to New York residents, and other issues. Businesses have said that they do not understand the new provisions and are concerned that they will have to cease operations.

• Law enforcement exemptions must be clarified. The new law has many provisions that might apply to law enforcement officers and there has been much confusion about whether existing law enforcement exemptions continue to apply. We understand that the Governor and Legislature have already agreed to review and modify these provisions where necessary, and the Sheriffs want to be part of the discussion to make the changes effective. Additionally, the exemptions should apply to retired police and peace officers, and to others in the employ of the Sheriff and other police agencies who perform security duties at public facilities and events.

• Method of bill passage. It is the view of the Sheriffs’ Association that anytime government decides it is necessary or desirable to test the boundaries of a constitutional right that it should only be done with caution and with great respect for those constitutional boundaries. Further, it should only be done if the benefit to be gained is so great and certain that it far outweighs the damage done by the constriction of individual liberty. While many of the provisions of the new law have surface appeal, it is far from certain that all, or even many, of them will have any significant effect in
reducing gun violence, which is the presumed goal of all of us. Unfortunately the process used in adoption of this act did not permit the mature development of the arguments on either side of the debate, and thus many of the stakeholders in this important issue are left feeling ignored by their government. Even those thrilled with the passage of this legislation should be concerned about the process used to secure its passage, for the next time they may find themselves the victim of that same process. Fortunately, the Governor has shown himself open to working with interested parties to address some of the problems that arose due to the hasty enactment of this law. We will work with the Governor and the Legislature on these issues.

• Sheriffs understand their Constitutional obligations and the concerns of constituents Sheriffs and other law enforcement officers are not called upon by this new legislation to go door‐to‐door to confiscate any weapons newly classified as assault weapons, and will not do so.

Sheriffs represent all the people, and we take an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of New York. Sheriffs will continue to enforce all laws of the state and will protect the rights of all citizens, including those rights guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the
State of New York.

Stand Strong!

[1stmarine]

Powerful message from Concentration Camp Survivor...

[1stmarine]

Cuomo Reacts to SAFE Act Backlash

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...;v=S5Awhpw0mj4

[gfanikf]

Originally Posted by 1stmarine

Powerful message from Concentration Camp Survivor...

Where is the source of that? That is very very powerful, but I want to know someone did photoshop a different text or use an image for what they thought would be said. If thats the case sending it around could be a really bad idea. If it is true than it is indeed powerful.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk 2

[1stmarine]

Originally Posted by gfanikf

Where is the source of that? That is very very powerful, but I want to know someone did photoshop a different text or use an image for what they thought would be said. If thats the case sending it around could be a really bad idea. If it is true than it is indeed powerful.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk 2

I am not sure the source. I know it is all over in FB.

[Tom from WNY]

In addition to the New York State Sheriff's Association having reservations witht he SAFE act, the following governmental lobbying organizations are also expressing strong reservations to this legislation:

New York State County Clerk's Associaiton - link off of the SCOPE website; they do not have the resources to handle the Pistol Permit renewals or the registry of "Assault Rifles".

New York State Association of Counties - NYSAC - link independently; the Counties do not have the personnel or funding to process the mental health provisions of this Act, nor is the funding or personnel available to process Pistol Permit renewals or "Assault Rifle" registrations.

I can't wait for the New York State Association of Towns to weigh in, although AOT does not really have a dog in the hunt.

Oswego County legislature adopted a resoloution calling for the Repeal of the SAFE Act. I think other Counties may follow suit (especially the ones bordering the PA line). If that is the case; well......

When even the governmental entities are expressing reservations; the politicritters in Albany shoud wake up.

[1stmarine]

Orange County Legislature Passes 2nd Amendment Resolution

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=W3wcvAxEtsk

[1stmarine]

20 U.S. states, CATO, others file briefs to Supreme Court supporting SAF’s Kachalsky carry case

Scope and others added to the Amici.

http://www.firearmspolicy.org/2013/0...47906494140625

[1stmarine]

Also good article about Firearms and The constitution in the WSJ...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...valettop_email


By DAVID B. RIVKIN JR. And ANDREW M. GROSSMAN

Could there be a better illustration of the cultural divide over firearms than the White House photograph of our skeet-shooting president? Clay pigeons are launched into the air, but the president's smoking shotgun is level with the ground. This is not a man who is comfortable around guns. And that goes a long way toward explaining his gun-control agenda.

Lack of informed presidential leadership aside, there is a gulf between those Americans who view guns as invaluable tools for self-defense, both against private wrongdoers and a potentially tyrannical government, and those who regard that concept as hopelessly archaic and even subversive. For them, hunting is the only possible legitimate use of firearms, and gun ownership should be restricted to weapons suited to that purpose.

Copyrighted content removed to keep this post consistent with THR's Fair Use policy. Please use the link above (or search on the information below) to read this post in full.

A version of this article appeared February 11, 2013, on page A13 in the U.S. edition of The Wall Street Journal, with the headline: Gun Control and the Constitution.

[1stmarine]

We received word today that Monroe county has received ZERO contact regarding passing a measure against the safe act!
This is nuts!! We put this together quickly but it contains our first points of contact.
Attention Monroe County Gun owners and constitutional rights advocates.
Now is the time to voice your opinion, now is the time to be heard!
Several counties are making efforts to take a stand against the SAFE act. The latest is Erie county, if they can, we can
to!
Monroe may be blue on paper but we have some of the best Permit laws in NY, no approved amendments, no extra classes and
best of all no restrictions! Not to mention Our sheriff has come out against the SAFE act, and now it's time to move
forward!

Make your voice heard!

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This is what I am doing and what I suggest you do.
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A) Email them that is easy (Template below)
B) Then fax
D) As you fax print 3 or 4 of those, put in an envelope and send the actual letters.
C) Then call them one by one.


Points of contact:

1:

Anthony J. Daniele(R), Majority Leader
10th District–Brighton, East Rochester, Pittsford
31 Monroe Avenue, Pittsford, NY 14534
Phone: (w) 585 753-1922; (h) 585 271-1111
monroe10@monroecounty.gov

2:

http://www2.monroecounty.gov/executive-index.php

This page contains the email addresses and phone number for Maggie Brooks and others.
Start emailing, start calling and remind them that they work with and for all of us residents!

Here is the list to Email.


Maggie Brooks
countyexecutive@monroecounty.gov

Anthony J. Daniele(R)
monroe10@monroecounty.gov

????
monroe12@monroecounty.gov

William Napier
williamnapier@monroecounty.gov

Joe Rittler
jrittler@monroecounty.gov


Send your own note if you can but if not here is the template.

Subject: Repeal the NY SAFE ACT!


Dear Mr XXXXXXX,

As many Responsible Firearm Owners who are also the People of New York State, that is, the natural persons lawfully
residing within this state, do hereby order and direct, our local representatives, The governor and the senate to
immediately repeal the NY SAFE act of 2013.
This is not a request or a demand, but an order and directive, as it is unlawful, null and void, being in direct
opposition to the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of New York Civil Rights –
Article 2 – § 4.

This is the will of the people, and as you are our duly appointed representatives, you will see to it that our will is
carried out.
The RIGHT to keep and bear arms is the RIGHT of all the people. This RIGHT is not subject to registration. Registration
means surrendering our lawful RIGHT in exchange for permission, which may or may not be granted, or can be taken away,
at the behest of the magistrate. This goes beyond infringement or diminishing our RIGHT. It is direct violation of the
very principle upon which this RIGHT was declared in our constitution.

Our founding fathers came from a European tradition in which only the nobility and chivalry had the right to keep and
bear arms, and the peasantry had no such rights, but may be awarded the privilege if his lord saw fit. Our nation was
founded upon the principle that We the People are the sovereign kings and queens of this land, and as such all people
are as nobles, that there shall be no peasants, and you, duly appointed representatives, are charged with the task of
carrying out our will. So the principle of the right to keep and bear arms predates the advent of the firearm, let alone
the semi-auto-loading types, and this principle does not change with the emergence of new technology.

The NY-SAFE act is irrational and irresponsible and leaves the People of Monroe County and this State totally exposed.
The only ones who benefit from this law are the Governor who wanted to beat President Obama to the punch and the
criminals who will have the upper hand should a honest citizen need to use a firearm for personal protection against
those well armed criminals.

Sincerely Yours,
XXXXXXXXX

[hso]

Good info here for New Yorkers http://nysecond.org/

While not actually part of the impeachment process in NY this site is well done. http://impeachandrewcuomo.com/

[Billy Shears]

(I originally started to post this in the "Impeach Cuomo" thread, but it was locked before I hit the post button)

Rather than waste time and effort in a lost cause, like trying to get Cuomo impeached, I think people's efforts would be better spent in trying to get the major gun companies to boycott NY, and any other state that passes such draconian laws. Some companies have already joined Olympic Arms in boycotting NY http://www.ncgunblog.com/new-york-boycott/. And people are trying to persuade SIG, Glock, and S&W, who among them have the lion's share of the law enforcement business in America today, to join in. Focus on getting these companies (and Colt couldn't hurt either -- they don't supply many handguns to cops anymore, but a lot of the patrol rifles riding around in squad cars today are Colt AR carbines) to sign on.

This will be extremely difficult to persuade them to do. I am sure a lot of their money comes from these law enforcement sales, and they'll be reluctant to essentially amputate that part of their business. It will have to be sold to them as an example of putting long term profitability over short term profit. To begin with, New York is only a single state, so while the loss of that state's business will be felt (especially NY city), they still have the rest of the country's law enforcement to build on. But more importantly, they need to do something to persuade other states not to follow NY's example (California recently boasted its about to outdo NY for the title of "state with the most restrictive gun laws", and New Jersey, Michigan, Connecticut, and other states look like passing stricter legislation as well). Make it clear this is in their long-term interest to get into this fight. After all, there was once a thriving firearms industry in Britain. It's almost completely gone now, largely as a result of increasingly restrictive gun laws there destroying that industry's domestic market. If New York succeeds in getting this law on the books and keeping it there, and other states follow NY's example, a huge chunk of these companies' domestic marketplace will be legislated out of existence, thus depriving them of much of their profits. It's time for them to consider what their profitability is likely to be 20, 30, 50 years from now if this trend is allowed to progress. They may want to take a little hit now for the sake of saving their future viability. An ounce of prevention, after all, is worth a gallon of cure.

Let's try and persuade them.