380 Is A Handful

marb4 · February 7, 2013, 05:11 PM

I picked up a Taurus TCP 380 as I've been looking for a very small pocket pistol for times when for whatever reason IWB isn't an option. I had no previous experience with a 380 until I took the little Taurus out this morning. I've read a lot where people choose a 380 because they have recoil issues and want something more manageable. After my range session this morning I don't know that I would say low recoil is a good reason for buying a 380. That little thing was a handful! I've owned small 9mm's (Kahr CM9, Glock 26, KelTec P11) and the little micro Taurus had at least as much if not more felt recoil than my 9's based on my estimation anyway. After 50 rounds or so it was just getting plain uncomfortable to shoot. The pistol performed well so I have no complaints but to those of you choosing 380 because you think it'll be easier/softer to shoot than something larger (such as a 9mm) I would encourage you to get your hands on one and check it out for yourself. You may be surprised.

captbluemoon · February 7, 2013, 05:32 PM

I have owned a Walther ppk 380 and a Walther PK 380 , I think my personal recovery time is much faster, but to each his own.

mbt2001 · February 7, 2013, 05:41 PM

I hear you. Personally, I have no experience with the gun you cited, but many of the little pocket pistols out there are a handful. I have a Cobra derringer in .380 and that is BY FAR the most punishing gun I have in regards to recoil. It isn't unmanageable, but it's weight and ergonomics make me more likely to grab something else.

Each to his own right?

allaroundhunter · February 7, 2013, 05:44 PM

Around here people will warn you ahead of time, .380 is rarely more manageable than 9mm in a small gun. The action type for .380 is typically a blowback while 9mm's use a delayed blowback action. This leads the .380 to feel sharper and, yes, unpleasant.

However, Sigs P238 is a very soft shooting .380.

H.m.B · February 7, 2013, 05:50 PM

My Sig P232 is snappy but not unmanageable. Although, it is the stainless steel model and not the alloy version. It's not hard to put a couple of boxes down range. Now slide-bite ... that's another matter!

Skribs · February 7, 2013, 06:28 PM

I have a .380 LCP and a .40 XDm, and the .380 is what beats up my hand. I'm looking at maybe getting a Keltec P32 to replace the LCP as my running shorts carry piece.

rondog · February 7, 2013, 07:18 PM

Ah, quit yer whinin'.....go shoot a PA-63 in 9x18 Makarov.

meanmrmustard · February 7, 2013, 08:35 PM

No kidding. I've shot the TCP quite a bit. Rather sharp snap.

But, it isn't meant to be fun, or even accurate, or pleasant. It's meant to save your life.

Sergei Mosin · February 7, 2013, 08:38 PM

SIG P238 is the answer. My wife, an inexperienced shooter, ran 150 rounds through hers yesterday, and I believe if we'd brought another box to the range, she would have shot that up too.

12Bravo20 · February 7, 2013, 08:47 PM

I own a Kel Tec P3AT and a PA-63 (9x18). The PA-63 definitely has worse recoil than the P3AT.

LightningMan · February 7, 2013, 11:15 PM

My Kahr P380 isn't bad at all compared to my Kel-Tec P3AT or my LCP. Probably why I carry it near all the time as a back-up to my M&Pc. LM

VA27 · February 7, 2013, 11:16 PM

Seecamp .380. Every other is a pussycat.

barneyrw · February 7, 2013, 11:19 PM

I don't think people choose a .380 for recoil issues, people choose a .380 pocket pistol for ease of concealed carry, ie. it drops right into your front pocket. It's not meant to be a pistol to take to the range routinely and put a lot of rounds through it.

ID-shooting · February 7, 2013, 11:25 PM

I have to agree. Used to carry a P3AT, "upgraded" to a LCP. Both make my hand hurt. Only use them for CC. Once in a great while I will burn through a mag while shooting other guns at the range.

1KPerDay · February 7, 2013, 11:29 PM

I like shooting the lcp. The p230 alloy with warmish loads is not pleasant. The seecamp... That's in an entirely different category of pain.

savanahsdad · February 7, 2013, 11:34 PM

I have a Braco .380auto ouch !!! lol !!!!! call me mean , but I love letting other shoot it just to watch the shock on there face !! My wife has a Ruger BlackHawk in 44 mag. glock 17 9mm, a makarov 9X18 , Sig Sauer P238 Lady 380auto, , loves to shoot all of them , but when I let her shoot my little Braco it went bang ! she went OUCH !!! for some reason she don't want to shoot it anymore

JoePfeiffer · February 8, 2013, 12:39 AM

It really isn't fair to talk about a round's recoil in isolation from the gun you're shooting it in. Yes, 380 has lower energy (and so theoretically less recoil) than a lot of other rounds, but you're shooting it from a pistol designed to be as small as possible and still be somewhat manageable. Yes, it'll have a lot more felt recoil than something like a full-size 9mm -- but you *really* wouldn't want to shoot a 9mm from something the size of that Taurus.

radar1972 · February 8, 2013, 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barneyrw

I don't think people choose a .380 for recoil issues, people choose a .380 pocket pistol for ease of concealed carry, ie. it drops right into your front pocket. It's not meant to be a pistol to take to the range routinely and put a lot of rounds through it.

+1 barneyrw

ku4hx · February 8, 2013, 01:31 AM

I'm always a bit amused when someone who wants to buy their first center fire handgun thinks "little gun; therefore, little recoil". Of all the guns I own, an AMT Backup in 380 ACP is the most unpleasant to shoot. It's also the smallest and lightest.

jim243 · February 8, 2013, 01:31 AM

Guns that I call holdouts, small concelable pistols or revolvers are designed for short range self defense are very light and small in nature. They are not designed for accuracy or as range guns. That is not their purpose.

The lighter the gun the more FELT recoil. The 380 round does not produce the same amount of energy that a larger caliber (380 (95 grain) vs 9mm (115 grain)) or gun powder (380 (2.8 grains) vs 9mm (4.6 grains)) would.

What you are feeling is the snap from a 2 to 3 inch barrel as opposed to a 4 or 5 inch barrel.

These small handguns are not designed for extended range use. Those of large frames like the Bersa or Walther are more comfortable to shoot.

Jim

ku4hx · February 8, 2013, 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jim243

What you are feeling is the snap from a 2 to 3 inch barrel as opposed to a 4 or 5 inch barrel.

Recoil per se is all about physics and Newton's laws of motion. The energy that produces recoil has to go somewhere. If it's not absorbed more by overcoming the resting inertia of the gun and moving the mass of the gun, then it's absorbed more by overcoming the resting inertia of the shooter and moving the mass of the shooter's body. Mostly in moving the hand and arm.

Kiln · February 8, 2013, 04:29 AM

Honestly I don't get the guys who have issues with the PA63's recoil. I find it pretty comfortable and on par with .380acp myself. It isn't bad at all. Now the Polish P64 on the other hand beats the hell out of your hand and leaves you bruised up.

I can say two good things about the P64 though:

1. The trigger is probably the best on any milsurp gun I own.

2. It is very reliable.

greenlion · February 8, 2013, 06:04 AM

I tried all the super-small 380's before I bought one. The little Ruger LCP and Keltec 3AT twisted in my hand during recoil, causing me to adjust my grip after a couple of shots to regain a proper grip on the gun. I ended up with the slightly heavier KAHR, which did not do that.

bannockburn · February 8, 2013, 06:12 AM

The two nicest .380's that I have, in terms of manageable recoil and quick recovery back on target, would be my Colt Mustang and SIG P-238. Of course their similar design features are at work in lessening recoil and making for a very pleasant shooting experience.

Adam the Gnome · February 8, 2013, 08:24 AM

My fiancé purchased a LCP as her first gun. She wanted what she wanted a little gun. The recoil isn't that bad, she complained of her thumb web being sore a few hours later. Ordered a hogue grip which feels a lot better
My only gripe it's like aiming a beer bottle. But as someone said earlier its for saving your life not bullseye shooting.

February 7, 2013, 05:11 PM	#1
marb4 Member Join Date: July 6, 2010 Posts: 274	380 Is A Handful I picked up a Taurus TCP 380 as I've been looking for a very small pocket pistol for times when for whatever reason IWB isn't an option. I had no previous experience with a 380 until I took the little Taurus out this morning. I've read a lot where people choose a 380 because they have recoil issues and want something more manageable. After my range session this morning I don't know that I would say low recoil is a good reason for buying a 380. That little thing was a handful! I've owned small 9mm's (Kahr CM9, Glock 26, KelTec P11) and the little micro Taurus had at least as much if not more felt recoil than my 9's based on my estimation anyway. After 50 rounds or so it was just getting plain uncomfortable to shoot. The pistol performed well so I have no complaints but to those of you choosing 380 because you think it'll be easier/softer to shoot than something larger (such as a 9mm) I would encourage you to get your hands on one and check it out for yourself. You may be surprised.

February 7, 2013, 05:32 PM	#2
captbluemoon Member Join Date: January 29, 2013 Posts: 5	380 I have owned a Walther ppk 380 and a Walther PK 380 , I think my personal recovery time is much faster, but to each his own.

February 7, 2013, 05:50 PM	#5
H.m.B Member Join Date: January 30, 2013 Location: Stafford, VA Posts: 80	My Sig P232 is snappy but not unmanageable. Although, it is the stainless steel model and not the alloy version. It's not hard to put a couple of boxes down range. Now slide-bite ... that's another matter! __________________ A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed ... Ruger Security Six, SR-9, SR-22P, SR1911, 10/22, BHP, Llama IX-A, XD-40, FNP-45, Sig P232, Colt LE6920, 700 BDL, Winchester 1200, M550ED ... One loves to possess arms, tho they hope never to have occasion for them. Thomas Jefferson

February 7, 2013, 06:28 PM	#6
Skribs Member Join Date: October 29, 2010 Location: Lakewood, Washington Posts: 5,046	I have a .380 LCP and a .40 XDm, and the .380 is what beats up my hand. I'm looking at maybe getting a Keltec P32 to replace the LCP as my running shorts carry piece. __________________ What we need are laws that address the problem of violence, which completely disregard the tools being used. This would do more to fix violence (including "gun violence") and less to restrict my rights. Win/win.

February 7, 2013, 07:18 PM	#7
rondog Member Join Date: June 29, 2007 Location: Commurado Posts: 4,792	Ah, quit yer whinin'.....go shoot a PA-63 in 9x18 Makarov. __________________ Ever feel like the world's a tuxedo, and you're a pair of brown shoes? - George Gobel

February 7, 2013, 05:41 PM	#3
mbt2001 Member Join Date: December 5, 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 2,853	I hear you. Personally, I have no experience with the gun you cited, but many of the little pocket pistols out there are a handful. I have a Cobra derringer in .380 and that is BY FAR the most punishing gun I have in regards to recoil. It isn't unmanageable, but it's weight and ergonomics make me more likely to grab something else. Each to his own right?

February 7, 2013, 08:35 PM	#8
meanmrmustard Member Join Date: June 14, 2011 Location: Missouri Posts: 3,632	No kidding. I've shot the TCP quite a bit. Rather sharp snap. But, it isn't meant to be fun, or even accurate, or pleasant. It's meant to save your life. __________________ Why, oh why, didn't I take the blue pill...

February 7, 2013, 08:38 PM	#9
Sergei Mosin Member Join Date: October 7, 2011 Posts: 499	SIG P238 is the answer. My wife, an inexperienced shooter, ran 150 rounds through hers yesterday, and I believe if we'd brought another box to the range, she would have shot that up too. __________________ "The great object is that every man be armed." - Patrick Henry

February 7, 2013, 08:47 PM	#10
12Bravo20 Member Join Date: October 12, 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 347	I own a Kel Tec P3AT and a PA-63 (9x18). The PA-63 definitely has worse recoil than the P3AT.

February 7, 2013, 11:15 PM	#11
LightningMan Member Join Date: April 1, 2008 Posts: 950	My Kahr P380 isn't bad at all compared to my Kel-Tec P3AT or my LCP. Probably why I carry it near all the time as a back-up to my M&Pc. LM

February 7, 2013, 11:16 PM	#12
VA27 Member Join Date: June 5, 2006 Location: Slovenly Manor, Dungheap-Upon-The-Hill Posts: 1,394	Seecamp .380. Every other is a pussycat. __________________ -The United States already has a national gun policy. It's called the Second Amendment.- -The NRA is my Union-

February 7, 2013, 11:19 PM	#13
barneyrw Member Join Date: March 13, 2007 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 179	I've read a lot where people choose a 380 because they have recoil issues I don't think people choose a .380 for recoil issues, people choose a .380 pocket pistol for ease of concealed carry, ie. it drops right into your front pocket. It's not meant to be a pistol to take to the range routinely and put a lot of rounds through it.

February 7, 2013, 11:25 PM	#14
ID-shooting Member Join Date: December 15, 2012 Location: Nampa, Idaho Posts: 263	I have to agree. Used to carry a P3AT, "upgraded" to a LCP. Both make my hand hurt. Only use them for CC. Once in a great while I will burn through a mag while shooting other guns at the range.

February 7, 2013, 11:29 PM	#15
1KPerDay Member Join Date: January 19, 2006 Location: Happy Valley, UT Posts: 8,605	I like shooting the lcp. The p230 alloy with warmish loads is not pleasant. The seecamp... That's in an entirely different category of pain. __________________ Looking for clean Colt Python in Ultimate Stainless. PM me if you know of one for sale for a reasonable price.

February 7, 2013, 11:34 PM	#16
savanahsdad Member Join Date: July 28, 2012 Location: WI Posts: 516	I have a Braco .380auto ouch !!! lol !!!!! call me mean , but I love letting other shoot it just to watch the shock on there face !! My wife has a Ruger BlackHawk in 44 mag. glock 17 9mm, a makarov 9X18 , Sig Sauer P238 Lady 380auto, , loves to shoot all of them , but when I let her shoot my little Braco it went bang ! she went OUCH !!! for some reason she don't want to shoot it anymore __________________ NRA Life Member , NAHC Lifemember ,ret-Wi HunterSafty Insturctor and Handload Guru. *USMC Proud Parent*

February 8, 2013, 12:39 AM	#17
JoePfeiffer Member Join Date: January 31, 2013 Location: Las Cruces, NM, USA Posts: 41	It really isn't fair to talk about a round's recoil in isolation from the gun you're shooting it in. Yes, 380 has lower energy (and so theoretically less recoil) than a lot of other rounds, but you're shooting it from a pistol designed to be as small as possible and still be somewhat manageable. Yes, it'll have a lot more felt recoil than something like a full-size 9mm -- but you really wouldn't want to shoot a 9mm from something the size of that Taurus.

February 8, 2013, 01:31 AM	#19
ku4hx Member Join Date: November 8, 2009 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,199	I'm always a bit amused when someone who wants to buy their first center fire handgun thinks "little gun; therefore, little recoil". Of all the guns I own, an AMT Backup in 380 ACP is the most unpleasant to shoot. It's also the smallest and lightest. __________________ “Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you” ― Joseph Heller, Catch-22

February 8, 2013, 01:31 AM	#20
jim243 Member Join Date: September 11, 2009 Posts: 1,524	Guns that I call holdouts, small concelable pistols or revolvers are designed for short range self defense are very light and small in nature. They are not designed for accuracy or as range guns. That is not their purpose. The lighter the gun the more FELT recoil. The 380 round does not produce the same amount of energy that a larger caliber (380 (95 grain) vs 9mm (115 grain)) or gun powder (380 (2.8 grains) vs 9mm (4.6 grains)) would. What you are feeling is the snap from a 2 to 3 inch barrel as opposed to a 4 or 5 inch barrel. These small handguns are not designed for extended range use. Those of large frames like the Bersa or Walther are more comfortable to shoot. Jim

February 8, 2013, 04:29 AM	#22
Kiln Member Join Date: March 3, 2011 Posts: 1,808	Honestly I don't get the guys who have issues with the PA63's recoil. I find it pretty comfortable and on par with .380acp myself. It isn't bad at all. Now the Polish P64 on the other hand beats the hell out of your hand and leaves you bruised up. I can say two good things about the P64 though: 1. The trigger is probably the best on any milsurp gun I own. 2. It is very reliable.

February 8, 2013, 06:04 AM	#23
greenlion Member Join Date: July 26, 2009 Posts: 388	I tried all the super-small 380's before I bought one. The little Ruger LCP and Keltec 3AT twisted in my hand during recoil, causing me to adjust my grip after a couple of shots to regain a proper grip on the gun. I ended up with the slightly heavier KAHR, which did not do that.

February 8, 2013, 06:12 AM	#24
bannockburn Member Join Date: April 24, 2007 Posts: 4,980	The two nicest .380's that I have, in terms of manageable recoil and quick recovery back on target, would be my Colt Mustang and SIG P-238. Of course their similar design features are at work in lessening recoil and making for a very pleasant shooting experience. __________________ "An elegant weapon for a more civilized age."-Obi Wan Kenobi

February 8, 2013, 08:24 AM	#25
Adam the Gnome Member Join Date: October 10, 2011 Location: KY Posts: 63	My fiancé purchased a LCP as her first gun. She wanted what she wanted a little gun. The recoil isn't that bad, she complained of her thumb web being sore a few hours later. Ordered a hogue grip which feels a lot better My only gripe it's like aiming a beer bottle. But as someone said earlier its for saving your life not bullseye shooting.