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Join Date: June 6, 2011
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The next time someone says "no one uses an AR to hunt"
Turn them onto the SPORTSMAN CHANNEL(605 DIRECTV) on monday night at 7:00 pm. The show is Modern Rifle Adventures, they exclusively hunt with AR's. Showing the versitility of the AR and hunting everything from squirrels to bear shows that yes, they are used to hunt with. Show these types that an AR has many uses, including training children to shoot. In fact in tonight's episode an 11 year old girl is hunting dear. If you miss the episode tonight then it is on again on thursday at 4:00 pm.
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Join Date: December 29, 2002
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Whenever someone says "ARs aren't used for hunting" ask them why there are so many hits for a Google image search for "AR rifle, hunting."
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Join Date: December 24, 2002
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Whenever someone tells me ARs aren't used for hunting, I say, "Not true ... but even if it were, that's beside the point."
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Join Date: October 31, 2010
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I own 2 ARs and the only thing I slay is paper. I couldnt care less about the hunting merits of my rifles. The 2A is NOT about hunting and using that as a defense is a lose-lose proposition anyways.
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Join Date: April 8, 2012
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Interesting post, and like Justin pointed out, there are ton's of search hits on their hunting use. But the media prejudice holds more sway than facts in the court of public opinion.
It's illegal here in VA to hunt big game with less than a .24 caliber bullet, but it's fine for varmints. I know that the intent is to ensure humane kills. Still, aren't humane kills are a function of shot placement, bullet energy and bullet lethality at a given range? ARs should be fine at short to moderate ranges on certain game. But even if you don't like the .223 caliber, people can still get an AR-10 in .308 or AR-15 in a caliber like 6.5 Grendel. It's wrong the way the Stoner design has been considered as only fit for combat.
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Join Date: May 4, 2010
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They will only say "Fine...they're used for hunting. But you don't need (there's that word again) all those 'Evil', assault weapon-type features on it to hunt, so we're putting limitations on them."
We must not play the "Hunting game" with them. |
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Join Date: January 21, 2009
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The only appropriate response to such a question should be, "So?"
To respond otherwise lends validity to their false argument. |
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Whether you're into hunting or not is immaterial. What is relevant is the fact that the argument that "no one uses an AR to hunt" is a complete lie foisted on an ignorant public by duplicitous activists and politicians.
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Join Date: June 6, 2011
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I wasn't saying that hunting is the only argument, it's just one of the many. Home defense, defense from foreign invaders, or from tyranny are all valid too. The main argument I always hear is hunting. They like that one alot so showing them they are full of it usually causes them some discomfort.
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Join Date: May 2, 2012
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Best response: "You're wrong about that, but you're also missing the point."
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Join Date: January 3, 2003
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My wife hunts whitetail with her Colt NM 7.62x39.
There are any number of websites where examples of hunting with ARs can be found. We also had a thread in General on this where many good examples were provided.
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Join Date: February 11, 2013
Location: Pryor, OK
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The 2A doesn't say anything about hunting. It's only about our right to own firearms to keep the power of the people with the people. And any organization or government official who opposes that is not to be trusted in any way or reelected because they are only seeking power and control over the citizens of our country. Period. End of story.
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Join Date: October 19, 2010
Location: East TN
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I just finished assembling a 26" heavy barrel, 204 Ruger, eleven plus pound, 5-20x scope, side pull, modern semi-auto rifle (aka AR-15) for prairie dog hunting.
It will not fit in my Fiat 500 without folding the front and back seat down. I do expect to use it only from a fixed position. It's a hunting rifle and nothing else.
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Join Date: December 21, 2002
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Thank you. Mark
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Join Date: October 4, 2012
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I would hunt with an AR, with MK262 Mod.1 rounds, and nothing larger than a pig, unless a cougar or panther was charging, then I would hunt much faster.
I'm not sure if deer are legal to take with such a small bore here in AR, but will check. EDIT: It appears that hunting deer with .223 centerfire is legal, as anything smaller than .22 centerfire is prohibited. I would, for the sake of the animal and hopefully humane kills that the 70-72 gr. MK232 5.56 NATO or Sierra Match King civilian equivalents be used. I personally would use other more powerful rounds. But deer may be hunted with .223 here. 1/7 or 1/8 twists minimum for the heavier projectiles.
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Join Date: October 30, 2011
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I think the point is to say that first of all, that it is or isn't used for hunting is irrelevant. That said saying they aren't used for hunting is wrong anyway.
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Join Date: August 20, 2012
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The first time I saw an AR used for hunting it was in NYS and a friend of mine from high school bagged a deer with a 5.56mm AR and 5 round magazines. I, not knowing much about firearms, thought it was overkill. When in fact it was close to underkill. Currently AR is about hunting first, freedom second.
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Join Date: July 16, 2011
Location: Missouri
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What is an AR ??????????????
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Join Date: January 4, 2013
Location: Hell (FL)
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I have a DEDICATED 6.8mm AR for hogs & deer. My .270 is jealous!
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Join Date: January 20, 2010
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One of my distinguished co-workers says that he wants to ban guns, but not those used for hunting or target practice. I was quick to show him some pix of my recent hog hunting trip, with ARs and AKs in the hands of the hunters. I was sure to thank him for supporting our right to own ARs and AKs. He could not come up with a retort at that moment!
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Join Date: December 9, 2007
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They are used for every purpose including hunting people if they try and break in your house or the need arises for people to defend the country against ,tyranny, "foreign or domestic", of any type, along with getting dinner, and sporting purposes.
It's the swiss army knife of rifles. |
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Join Date: November 24, 2008
Location: Southern Maine
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The anti's are doing their best to seperate us from Sportsman and we are not helping. If they are going to continue to use "hunting" as the item they are trying to protect than we need to use sportsman to fight with us.
An example is in my State, I am working with the Executive Director of the Sportsman Alliance of Maine to visit my gun club, and others in the area to share the merits of the AR platform with hunters. Spread knowledge, not fear and hate. Let the anti's do that. We need to stick together. Trust me... hunters want to defend the 2nd amandment as much as anyone.
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