No bang with S&B ammo - Page 2

rtba · February 18, 2013, 07:37 PM

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You might be talking about a mainspring / hammer spring.

But that is unlikely too on a fairly new SIG that doesn't have half a gazillion rounds through it.

It's an early 1990's pistol of West German origin. I haven't had it that long, so this might be a possibility. I don't have any good idea of how many rounds have been through it, but it looks clean so I suspect it hasn't been that many. No problems with any other ammo I've tried.

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Have you cleaned the chamber throughly with a bronze bore brush & solvent, ever??
Have you cleaned the slide & firing pin channel with spray solvent?

It had been exactly 108 rounds since it was last cleaned very thoroughly. I will re-check and take it to the range again this coming weekend. We'll see. Thanks for your ideas! I really appreciate it. And everyone else too!

JohnBiltz · February 19, 2013, 01:54 AM

S&B is one of my preferred brands of ammo. Its always worked well for me.

Cokeman · February 19, 2013, 01:56 AM

Do any of you know why they stopped putting the red sealer around the primers? Is that a sealer? Did the other calibers have it or just the .380?

PabloJ · February 19, 2013, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Cokeman

Do any of you know why they stopped putting the red sealer around the primers? Is that a sealer? Did the other calibers have it or just the .380?

9x19 I shot had red sealer around the primer. The WBW 9x18 did not have the sealer if I recall correctly.

Cokeman · February 19, 2013, 03:01 AM

What's its exact purpose and why did they stop using it?

chriske · February 19, 2013, 09:09 AM

While they are not always the most accurate, I never had any functional problems with S&B 9mm ammo in the various 9mm pistols I use (Browning HP, CZ 75, SIG P-210).
I also never had any indication that their primers were extra-hard.
I DO know their brass is extra-hard to prime, though, in any caliber.

1KPerDay · February 19, 2013, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by chriske

I DO know their brass is extra-hard to prime, though, in any caliber.

For me it varies from "snug" (in 9mm, .40, .45, .380) to almost too tight (.38 special). I have no doubt that S&B .38 special cases will split before the primer pockets get too loose.

220slow · February 19, 2013, 01:06 PM

I had a Ruger LC9. Had failures to fire from that ammo. Other ammo worked fine. S&B worked fine in a Glock.

HKGuns · February 19, 2013, 07:13 PM

I've never had an issue with S&B ammo. I find it is great plinking ammo.

dfsixstring · February 19, 2013, 07:17 PM

I've only fired one of the two 9mm boxes I have and it was 100% positive. I wonder if quality is suffering due to high demand? I heard a star the other day that said that 16Billion rounds of ammo (all calibers) is sold in the US annually.

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billymarr · February 19, 2013, 07:30 PM

I have used it in 45 and 308 with no problems and accuracy was actually very good.

breakingcontact · February 19, 2013, 11:01 PM

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Anyone else experienced this?

Not with that gun, but yes.

PabloJ · February 20, 2013, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by rtba

I got some S&B 9mm ball ammo for my SIG P226. Options are limited of late, but this seemed to be not the worst I could have gotten. But I had five out of the first box fail to fire during my last trip to the range! Two of them fired on the second try, but not the other three. I've heard S&B has hard primers, but I didn't expect this. Anyone else experienced this? Anything that can be done to help? Everything else I've tried has worked flawlessly, but this was the first time I've tried European ammo. I suppose I could try replacing the firing pin spring!?

Look at the upside. Fewer bangs is better then no bangs at all. Rumor is 9x19 ball is made of UNobtainium right now.

kokapelli · February 20, 2013, 12:09 PM

I quit using S&B years ago because I a number of duds in multiple pistols.

coalbed · May 28, 2013, 04:01 AM

To anyone still on this link that has sworn off of my favorite ammo (S&B), I would be interested in buying all of your "bad" ammo from you at 25% of cost lol.

ku4hx · May 28, 2013, 08:49 AM

Can't speak to their loaded ammunition, but their Large Pistol primers have rather hard cups in my experience. So much so that the few thousand I had were restricted to 44 Magnum revolver stuff.

Given the current pinch I'd buy more, but only in a pinch and only for my Ruger SRH and SBH.

BenFoo · May 28, 2013, 09:43 AM

I used a few boxes of SB 9mm 115g(around 300rds or so) at a recent training course. No FTFs. No FTEs. Seemed to be as accurate and clean as any other ammo I've used recently. Gun used was Beretta PX4 fullsized.

bannockburn · May 28, 2013, 09:50 AM

No problems to report with S&B pistol (9mm. and .38 Special), rifle (.223), or shotgun (12 gauge), ammunition; in fact I would rate it well above WWB for overall reliability and quality.

kerreckt · May 28, 2013, 05:09 PM

Coincidentally, I just came back from the range and after shooting on the 100yd. range I went inside to shoot some of my handguns. I looked in the basket of misfires and saw several S&B 9mm and .380. Knowing that S&B is quality ammo, I took them out examined them and then put them into the magazines of my handguns. They all fired. Some of the primers looked like they had been hit hard but obviously not hard enough. The same thing last time at the handgun range. I know my pistols hit hard because I have put extra strong Wolff hammer and mainsprings in them to avoid light strikes. I view all my guns as possible self defense weapons and won't tolerate a light strike.

Tcruse · May 28, 2013, 06:21 PM

Have shot lots of 9mm 115g S&B with red, green and no sealer. Never a failure in Glock 26 Gen3, Glock 17 Gen4, Ruger P95, Keltec P11 and Baby Desert Eagle II. I consider it one of the best range ammo. Cabela's brass 9mm is also S&B (printed on box). Have not seen any in these parts since the shortage started. I have seen hard primers from time to time with some imported ammo both steel cased and brass. Would not be surprised if every manufacture is not using what ever primers that they can get, there may be some quality issues based on shortages.

Cokeman · May 28, 2013, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by coalbed

To anyone still on this link that has sworn off of my favorite ammo (S&B), I would be interested in buying all of your "bad" ammo from you at 25% of cost lol.

Sounds good to me. Mine is all shot.

Lj1941 · May 29, 2013, 02:35 PM

No problems for me with 45 ACP & 9MM Mak.

The Lone Haranguer · May 29, 2013, 04:57 PM

Do the primers have deep, reasonably centered strikes/dimples? If they do, the primers in those rounds were faulty, period. If they are just barely dimpled, I would still not be too quick to blame the ammo. The French model I met on the internet

did say this ammo has hard primers, but the SIG is a European pistol and should have no trouble firing European ammo. I never had any failures to fire with it in my old Kahr, which isn't even hammer-fired.

Cokeman · May 29, 2013, 11:38 PM

How long ago?

coalbed · May 30, 2013, 02:23 AM

I could sure use some 7.62x25 and 7.62x39.

February 19, 2013, 01:56 AM	#28
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February 19, 2013, 03:01 AM	#30
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February 19, 2013, 01:06 PM	#33
220slow Member Join Date: December 29, 2009 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 24	S&B I had a Ruger LC9. Had failures to fire from that ammo. Other ammo worked fine. S&B worked fine in a Glock.

February 19, 2013, 07:17 PM	#35
dfsixstring Member Join Date: May 10, 2011 Location: Tennessee Posts: 113	I've only fired one of the two 9mm boxes I have and it was 100% positive. I wonder if quality is suffering due to high demand? I heard a star the other day that said that 16Billion rounds of ammo (all calibers) is sold in the US annually. Dfsixstring SR9c LCP RST4S __________________ Ruger RST4S Ruger SR9c Ruger LCP a man's got to know his limitations...

May 28, 2013, 04:01 AM	#40
coalbed Member Join Date: August 11, 2012 Location: Collinsville Al Posts: 111	To anyone still on this link that has sworn off of my favorite ammo (S&B), I would be interested in buying all of your "bad" ammo from you at 25% of cost lol. __________________ Ohio Ordnance Works Vz 2000 Tactical

February 19, 2013, 01:54 AM	#27
JohnBiltz Member Join Date: August 17, 2010 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 932	S&B is one of my preferred brands of ammo. Its always worked well for me.

February 19, 2013, 09:09 AM	#31
chriske Member Join Date: May 15, 2008 Location: Belgium Posts: 427	While they are not always the most accurate, I never had any functional problems with S&B 9mm ammo in the various 9mm pistols I use (Browning HP, CZ 75, SIG P-210). I also never had any indication that their primers were extra-hard. I DO know their brass is extra-hard to prime, though, in any caliber.

February 19, 2013, 07:13 PM	#34
HKGuns member Join Date: August 29, 2004 Location: Bora Bora Posts: 1,833	I've never had an issue with S&B ammo. I find it is great plinking ammo.

February 19, 2013, 07:30 PM	#36
billymarr Member Join Date: May 28, 2011 Location: Pilot Point, Texas Posts: 117	I have used it in 45 and 308 with no problems and accuracy was actually very good.

February 20, 2013, 12:09 PM	#39
kokapelli Member Join Date: January 27, 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 2,624	I quit using S&B years ago because I a number of duds in multiple pistols.

May 28, 2013, 08:49 AM	#41
ku4hx Member Join Date: November 8, 2009 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,264	Can't speak to their loaded ammunition, but their Large Pistol primers have rather hard cups in my experience. So much so that the few thousand I had were restricted to 44 Magnum revolver stuff. Given the current pinch I'd buy more, but only in a pinch and only for my Ruger SRH and SBH. __________________ "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.", old Chinese proverb.

May 28, 2013, 09:43 AM	#42
BenFoo Member Join Date: March 3, 2013 Posts: 11	I used a few boxes of SB 9mm 115g(around 300rds or so) at a recent training course. No FTFs. No FTEs. Seemed to be as accurate and clean as any other ammo I've used recently. Gun used was Beretta PX4 fullsized.

May 28, 2013, 09:50 AM	#43
bannockburn Member Join Date: April 24, 2007 Posts: 5,073	No problems to report with S&B pistol (9mm. and .38 Special), rifle (.223), or shotgun (12 gauge), ammunition; in fact I would rate it well above WWB for overall reliability and quality. __________________ "An elegant weapon for a more civilized age."-Obi Wan Kenobi

May 28, 2013, 05:09 PM	#44
kerreckt Member Join Date: April 23, 2011 Location: SE Virginia Posts: 317	Coincidentally, I just came back from the range and after shooting on the 100yd. range I went inside to shoot some of my handguns. I looked in the basket of misfires and saw several S&B 9mm and .380. Knowing that S&B is quality ammo, I took them out examined them and then put them into the magazines of my handguns. They all fired. Some of the primers looked like they had been hit hard but obviously not hard enough. The same thing last time at the handgun range. I know my pistols hit hard because I have put extra strong Wolff hammer and mainsprings in them to avoid light strikes. I view all my guns as possible self defense weapons and won't tolerate a light strike. __________________ "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have". Thomas Jefferson Μολών Λαβέ

May 28, 2013, 06:21 PM	#45
Tcruse Member Join Date: October 24, 2011 Posts: 271	Have shot lots of 9mm 115g S&B with red, green and no sealer. Never a failure in Glock 26 Gen3, Glock 17 Gen4, Ruger P95, Keltec P11 and Baby Desert Eagle II. I consider it one of the best range ammo. Cabela's brass 9mm is also S&B (printed on box). Have not seen any in these parts since the shortage started. I have seen hard primers from time to time with some imported ammo both steel cased and brass. Would not be surprised if every manufacture is not using what ever primers that they can get, there may be some quality issues based on shortages.

May 29, 2013, 02:35 PM	#47
Lj1941 Member Join Date: June 12, 2009 Location: Portland,PA Posts: 257	No problems for me with 45 ACP & 9MM Mak. __________________ Lou NRA Life Member US Army Veteran

May 29, 2013, 04:57 PM	#48
The Lone Haranguer Member Join Date: July 30, 2006 Location: Johnson City, TN Posts: 11,261	Do the primers have deep, reasonably centered strikes/dimples? If they do, the primers in those rounds were faulty, period. If they are just barely dimpled, I would still not be too quick to blame the ammo. The French model I met on the internet did say this ammo has hard primers, but the SIG is a European pistol and should have no trouble firing European ammo. I never had any failures to fire with it in my old Kahr, which isn't even hammer-fired.

May 29, 2013, 11:38 PM	#49
Cokeman Member Join Date: February 23, 2007 Location: Utah Posts: 625	How long ago? __________________ Glock 23 - CZ 452 ZKM Special - Walther P22 LMT STD 16 - Mossberg 500 - Kahr P380 Henry H001Y - Winchester 12 - Smith & Wesson M&P Shield

May 30, 2013, 02:23 AM	#50
coalbed Member Join Date: August 11, 2012 Location: Collinsville Al Posts: 111	I could sure use some 7.62x25 and 7.62x39.