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Old February 23, 2013, 06:48 AM   #1226
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Now if I can just get a taller front sight, I am bottomed out and I am almost 9 inches high at 50 yards........ Any thoughts on a replacement? The one for the blackhawk 45 colt is out of stock everywhere I have looked so far. Greg
This is how I fixed mine:
"Because my SS ROA was shooting so high, I notched out my rear sight and used a drift punch to remove the front pin and put the front sight blade from my SS .45 Colt Blackhawk in its place. Ruger couldn't find a replacement for my Blackhawk so I put the original blade back on the Blackhawk and cut out a blade from 1/8" flat stock and drilled and pinned it in the ROA. I left it VERY tall and dressed it down to a manageable height. The 1/8" stock was a little under sized so I epoxied it in place and pinned it. With your machining skills (and tools) I'm sure it would be a piece of cake for you to do a better job without the epoxy."
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Old February 24, 2013, 02:21 PM   #1227
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If you use wads or over ball lube then I don't see any real harm in just trying the 454s and seeing howthey go. I'd would give it a try in my old army but I melted down the few 454 balls I had left and cast them to 457.
I am using a Lee mold that throws 255 gr. flat-nose bullets so I thought, "instead of getting a new mold or grinding out this one, why not just 'squish' the bullets a little." So I put 6 of the bullets in the vice, one at a time, and gave a 50-60 degree rotation of the handle. They all came out larger in diameter by about .003".
I haven't shot it yet but foresee no problems. Any potential problems that I should be aware of?
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Old February 24, 2013, 08:09 PM   #1228
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I've been tapping my Lee round nose bullets with a metal plate over the nose to flatten the nose and widen them a little, seems my 2 aftermarket cylinders are slightly larger than the cast bullets, a little bump fixes that. I have tested them at the range and they group as well as the unbumped in my factory cylinder.
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Old February 24, 2013, 09:40 PM   #1229
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Good to hear. I didn't think it would matter on the nose as the loading lever already distorts the nose a little. I wasn't sure about the base though. It seems steady even pressure from the vice should theoretically lead to less distortion than rapping with a mallet.
I will find out about accuracy tomorrow if it isn't raining.
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Old March 1, 2013, 09:34 AM   #1230
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Liberty old army

Just picked up this old army, thought I'd share.
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Old March 6, 2013, 01:21 AM   #1231
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new base pin puts me back in business

i spun my moronic tale of woe to y'all a bit ago about being ham fisted and BREAKING my base pin while trying to straighten it out. some good leads were shared with me, and I've managed to actually buy a carbon copy of the original base pin from Jack First's shop. Arrived yesterday, and I'll be taking it out for a test run this weekend. This is really good news, since i had to steal the pin from my new never fired in the box ROA to get my beater up and running. now i'll be able to have one in each hand!
incidentally, i've had a check with an order form in to Belt Mt. for their #5 base pin and latch assy for forever, and haven't heard from them, or seen the check get cashed yet. kind of a bummer, since i'd really like to put the conversion pin in and use my black dawg stand to load with off gun.
kind of a man without shoes bitchin' to a man without feet deal, but still, over a month with no response kind of sucks.
oh yeah, i'll be able to take a picture of my two beauties now that i have all the parts. lookin' to join this exalted group for bragging rights!

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Old March 6, 2013, 08:45 PM   #1232
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Great to hear yer back in binna bothenook and'll be makin smoke and slingin lead.
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Old March 7, 2013, 04:57 PM   #1233
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Will see if this works finally.... sheesh, hope I am a better shot than a pixil manulipator.

A long and convoluted story on this ROA, better over beer and pizza. I find it interesting the sn is lower than what Ruger has on it's brochure. Count me in on the club.

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Old March 7, 2013, 09:13 PM   #1234
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the famous ruger

hello
I am French, I was shooting black powder
j I n one uberti remington steel
I am looking for the famous and old army ruger
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Old March 9, 2013, 06:59 AM   #1235
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i also have a early roa, with no 76 on the barrel,i think they were made late in 1975 before they roll marked the barrel with 76. your cylinder should be roll marked in reverse to the newer one and they are collectable. eastbank.
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Old March 9, 2013, 09:49 PM   #1236
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Hi all!

Here's my application for membership in the ROA club!


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Old March 10, 2013, 01:09 AM   #1237
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got one R.O.A

At a shop in Daytona Fla.Blue 7 /1/2 barrel.used rupper grips,targot sights,used excellent plus,no drag line on cyl.$375.00 I have been looking for 3 years.I am HAPPY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old March 10, 2013, 10:37 AM   #1238
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Here's my application for membership in the ROA club!


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Nice leather. Did you make it?
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Old March 10, 2013, 10:56 AM   #1239
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jgray, nice score!

I believe fixed sight 7-1/2" stainless models were some of the rarest.

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Old March 10, 2013, 02:07 PM   #1240
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Regarding "some of the rarest" fixed sight ROAs.....

The reason some folks think that the fixed sight versions both in stainless and blue are rare or kinda rare is............well, because not a lot of them are up for sale and seen around the for sale ads , ranges, gun shops etc. IS because most of them are IN USE and in the hands of Cowboy Action Shooters all the time! In my part of the country it is as extremely hard to find ANY for sale (fixed sight versions both in blue and stainless) at any given time. However, attending a Cowboy Action shoot around here, and you will be overwelmed by the number of fixed sight ROAs you will see in use by these folks. AND none of them for sale! They are the tools of the game for these fellas! A lot of adjustable sight models are simply mostly safe queens coming out to see the light and since they see mostly little or no use, are put up for sale in multiple numbers all the time. True, Ruger did make much, much more of the adjustable sight models over the years, but the fixed sight models ARE plentifull out there, just ask a cowboy action shooter in your area, and the response might just be," let's see what we can do, how many you looking to buy, pardner?". ...........best regards to all......... THE rarest ROAs are the 5-1/2 inch adjustable sight models both in blue and stainless steel.These are from the Ruger factory and all original. I know for a fact that two of the blue and one of the stainless do exist. I have seen them first hand and none would part with the owners.
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Old March 10, 2013, 02:19 PM   #1241
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I've only seen pictures of the adjustable sight 5-1/2" ROA, likely the same picture. They're so rare, I've never seen production numbers or dates for them. Ruger has them for all the other ROA variations but the the 5-1/2" adjustable sight model end up with a question mark.

BP-7 (1972): Blued, 7.5" barrel, adj. sights, wood grips.
BP-7-B (1972): Like BP-7 but with brass grip frame and squared trigger guard; beware modified BP-7's with aftermarket grip frames.
KBP-7 (1976): Stainless, 7.5" barrel, adj. sights, wood grips.
BP-7F (1995): Blued, 7.5" barrel, fixed sights, wood grips.
KBP-7F (1995): Stainless, 7.5" barrel, fixed sights, wood grips.
BP-5 (????): Blued, 5.5" barrel, adj sights, wood grips.
BP-5F (2002): Blued, 5.5" barrel, fixed sights, wood grips.
KBP-5 (????): Stainless, 5.5" barrel, adj. sights, wood grips.
KBP-5F-I (2002): Stainless, 5.5" barrel, fixed sights, ivory grips.
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Old March 10, 2013, 05:26 PM   #1242
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"A lot of adjustable sight models are simply mostly safe queens ..."

My adjustable sight ROAs are in the safe as parts guns in case something on my fixed sight competition guns breaks!!

But I shoot them occasionally with both cap and ball cylinders and Kirst conversions, just to let them know I haven't forgotten about them.
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Old March 10, 2013, 08:33 PM   #1243
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Around here, fixed sight models are rarely seen, anywhere.

And being that adjustable sight models were made for 23 years before the fixed sight models were introduced, and that those were only made for 13 years, along with the adj. sight model, I still say there were far fewer fixed sight models made. I believe that makes them more desireable.

I know I like the fixed sight model better. It looks more like an authentic "revolver that never was".

Ruger's site doesn't give specific model production numbers.

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Old March 11, 2013, 09:58 PM   #1244
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Hi J-Bar,

Thanks! Yes, I did make the leather. There's another holster on the other side for it's sister too.

Regards,

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Old March 11, 2013, 10:17 PM   #1245
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Hi All,

If I remember correctly there was a poster here in the club that was making a primer conversion for the Ruger Old Army. Sounded nifty. I'm curious does anyone have one of these?

Anyone know if he is still making them, and if he has them available for sale?

Thanks!

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Old March 11, 2013, 10:28 PM   #1246
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If I remember correctly there was a poster here in the club that was making a primer conversion for the Ruger Old Army. Sounded nifty. I'm curious does anyone have one of these?

Anyone know if he is still making them, and if he has them available for sale?

Thanks!

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Yes, maybe, and no in that order unless he's changed his mind.
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Old March 11, 2013, 10:50 PM   #1247
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Yes, maybe, and no in that order unless he's changed his mind.
Thanks for the comeback. Appreciate it.

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Old March 12, 2013, 12:37 AM   #1248
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Hey jgray ~
I'm still makin' 'em. Production is slow. You're on the list. Got 8 shooter's ahead o' ya. Takes about 3 to 4 weeks per kit. Made 4 kits so far. Wish someone else would start makin' 'em too!

They're not for sale. They're free of charge. Can't expect y'all to buy sumpin y'aint never seen afore. Plus, I don't know if anyone's gonna think they're worth a hoot, 'til a group of ya can compare your experiences w/'em.

We'll hafta see where this thing goes. Ideally, high production could make 'em available for all the Italian revolvers too. As well as in 1/4 -28 threads for long guns, howdahs, shotguns, & pistols. I'm not set up to do high production. 'Bout all I can do is try to get the ball rollin'. I'll share w/anyone how to make the entire kit: machining, heat treating, everything.

I don't see any other way to get an honest opinion than to offer 'em up free so noboby's got anything to loose. Try 'em out & tell us what ya think...good or bad.

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Old March 12, 2013, 01:33 PM   #1249
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Hey jgray ~
I'm still makin' 'em. Production is slow. You're on the list. Got 8 shooter's ahead o' ya. Takes about 3 to 4 weeks per kit. Made 4 kits so far. Wish someone else would start makin' 'em too!

They're not for sale. They're free of charge. Can't expect y'all to buy sumpin y'aint never seen afore. Plus, I don't know if anyone's gonna think they're worth a hoot, 'til a group of ya can compare your experiences w/'em.

We'll hafta see where this thing goes. Ideally, high production could make 'em available for all the Italian revolvers too. As well as in 1/4 -28 threads for long guns, howdahs, shotguns, & pistols. I'm not set up to do high production. 'Bout all I can do is try to get the ball rollin'. I'll share w/anyone how to make the entire kit: machining, heat treating, everything.

I don't see any other way to get an honest opinion than to offer 'em up free so noboby's got anything to loose. Try 'em out & tell us what ya think...good or bad.

Kindest Regards,
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I can definitely vouch for the capsules Doak makes. They are the only way I can ignite BlackHorn 209 in my Old Army. If a set were priced around $100, it would be a real good deal. They are not fast to load and unload but for hunting, they are fantastic. The confidence that your shot is going to fire makes your marksmanship that much better.

Years ago they had something similar to a Mag-Spark that worked in revolvers called a "Flam-In-Go" (like flamingo with a flame connotation). I've never seen or used one but they aren't available now. They seemed bulkier than Doak's capsules so I don't know how the clearances worked.
With the black powder substitutes taking center stage now, a primer-firing device is certainly needed to assure ignition of these powders that are harder to ignite than black powder.
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Old March 12, 2013, 03:29 PM   #1250
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[QUOTE=kwhi43@kc.rr.com;6674571]Mine has a 45-70 rifle barrel on it and I just wanted it shorter. Shoots like
a rifle now!![/QUOTE Do you have a picture of that ? I sure would like to see that! It must kick like a mule..
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