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Old March 14, 2013, 04:08 PM   #1
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Best 1858 clone?

Best 1858 clone?I've always wanted one and with Obama new bans I want to get one while I can.
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Old March 14, 2013, 05:31 PM   #2
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Uberti.
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Old March 14, 2013, 06:44 PM   #3
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Old March 14, 2013, 06:52 PM   #4
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I hear you on that,there,s a couple I'm going to get while I/we can.I'd like another 1858 NA,with a long barrel,probably a 12" bbl. I have the 8" barreled Pietta, 1858 New Army I'm damn pleased with.For the longest time,I thought that they wouldnt be all that good but I was wrong.I shoot it alot and have not had any kind of trouble with it and it will hit where ya aim it.Oh,I did drill out the nipples just to clean em up a little,but havent had any misfires that I can even think of.It's the most fun to shoot of my revolvers,but I really like shooting them all.
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Old March 14, 2013, 08:02 PM   #5
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For a long time the stock answer is Uberti is the best made imported revolver. However Pietta has improved the quality of their guns a lot and IMHO for $229.00 represents the best buy.

p.s. I know the 1858 was only made with the 8" barrel but the 5 1/2" keeps pulling at me.
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Old March 14, 2013, 08:23 PM   #6
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Armi San Paolo, no longer produced, but plenty on the used market.
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Old March 14, 2013, 08:24 PM   #7
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Well you might read the 1000+ posts on the THR Remington Club and see what answer you get.

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Old March 14, 2013, 08:29 PM   #8
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Old March 14, 2013, 11:20 PM   #9
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If you have smaller hand then I recommend the Armi San Paolo\ Euroarms, it is a opy of the smaller framed Remington - Beals Old Arm, Elliots Transition to NMA, Second model(barest of relief at the breech with some NMA refinements, but still the smaller Remington - Beals Frame.
They are my Pistol of choice. They are no longer made new, but there are several ways to find them. Used Armi San Paolo, Euroarms and the unlikely source, Lyman. The Remy's sold by Lyman were produced by Armi San Paolo. There are a few like new ones out there, even though they were made in the 70's. All will use the Conversion Cylinders (R & D,(Taylors is made by R & D) And Kirst) made for Uberti Remy's.
I wish Pedersoli would resurrect the Armi San Paolo/ Euroarms Remy's. They were unique and sadly just now we are becoming aware of just what they copied.
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Old March 15, 2013, 12:19 AM   #10
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The "best" is the one that fits your hand the best. Some people complain that the trigger guard whacks their knuckle when they fire the gun so the smaller ASP/Euroarms might not be the best for beefy hands. Uberti is somewhere in the middle size wise with Pietta being the heftiest. Personally I like the Ubertis for their medium size and consistant quality. I've had one really bad ASPs and 3 bad Piettas. The later Piettas are supposed to be pretty good. I bought a 5 1/2" barrelled Pietta for a friend recently (Uberti made some too) and it had a much nicer balance compared to the full size model. The ASP and the Pietta Remingtons are so different in feel that I compare them to the 1851 Navy Colt vs the 1860 Army Colt in grip size and heft. They are way different. I've owned 3 Piettas (all SS), 7 or 8 ASP/Euroarms (SS&Blued), and 2 Ubertis. Still have the Ubertis & 4 ASPs but no Piettas. My hands are not that beefy and the older Piettas I had were crap. The newer Piettas are supposed to be pretty good now.
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Old March 15, 2013, 10:52 PM   #11
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I've owned a few Uberti percussion revolvers (all Colts), a Euroarms 1858, and 3 Pietta 1858s. The Piettas were all purchased from Cabela's within the past 5 or 6 years. They are the equal of any of my Ubertis in fit and finish.

The Euroarms 1858 is not nearly as nicely finished as the Ubertis or the Piettas. OTH, my Euroarms Rogers & Spencer is very well finished, accurate, and has become my favorite percussion revolver.
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Old March 16, 2013, 01:18 PM   #12
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I looked at one at the local gunshow.it said Cabelas on the box.Nice looking gun,never fired.Brass trigger guard.Sights wern't very visible.
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Old March 16, 2013, 10:52 PM   #13
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In order:
1. Hege Army Match Maximum (made by Feinwerkbau, actually)
2. Pedersoli
3. Pietta Shooter's Model
4. Pietta
5. Uberti
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Old March 17, 2013, 03:58 PM   #14
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I looked at one at the local gunshow.it said Cabelas on the box.Nice looking gun,never fired.Brass trigger guard.Sights wern't very visible.
The 1858s at Cabela's are made by Pietta.
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Old March 17, 2013, 06:31 PM   #15
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1. Pedersoli
2. Cimarron
3. Uberti
4. Pietta, dead last
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Old March 17, 2013, 07:05 PM   #16
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Purchased a Pietta M1858. The barrel is so canted that the front sight is almost at 1 OC. The front sight base won't move. Dented it with drifts and it won't move.

Purchased a Uberti M1858, what a nice pistol. Tall front sight was able to file so I got the group centered at 25 yards, was able to drift for windage. Shot well, my impression was that it was as accurate as a modern pistol.

It is my opinion, having talked with Colt at the time, the parts for the Colt Signiture pistols were Uberti with enough polishing, finishing and fitting left to stamp the guns as " American Made".
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Old March 17, 2013, 10:35 PM   #17
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Mike ODTP & ftf left out ASM & ASP Remingtons. I've never had an ASM so I can't comment but I'd say the ASPs are about where the SS Piettas are for quality: a pig in a poke. I like the feel and balance of the ASPs but I've had one lemon outr of 7 and for Piettas 3 of 3 for SS Remington NMAs.
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Old March 18, 2013, 07:58 AM   #18
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I recently purchased the Cimarron 1858 clone that was specifically engineered for 45 long colt. I think they did a masterful job of building in the extractor and since I didn't need the black powder capability, I think it's a pretty good value since you don't need any extra cylinders. I wan't to get the 38 special version as well.
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Old March 18, 2013, 02:48 PM   #19
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You talking about this one?

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Old March 18, 2013, 11:00 PM   #20
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I would also vote for the ASM, I don't have an 1858, but do have the pocket 31 and several Colt clones from ASM and all were excellent values and shoot straight and handle well.
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Old March 19, 2013, 03:42 AM   #21
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I have 3Peitta 58s and one Uberti 58 nArmy and I have to say both are very nice but the Uberti is just a better put together gun. Feels good in hand to. I think I want another Uberti 58.
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Old March 20, 2013, 11:36 PM   #22
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I have 3Peitta 58s and one Uberti 58 nArmy and I have to say both are very nice but the Uberti is just a better put together gun. Feels good in hand to. I think I want another Uberti 58.
well keep me in mind if you need to find a new home for one of those piettas
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Old March 21, 2013, 07:27 PM   #23
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I love the 5.5" Pietta, but I'm not going to say it's the "best". It's danged good, all I can tell ya, and I prefer the short barrel for the balance. It's also quite accurate.
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Old February 26, 2016, 12:49 AM   #24
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Think the best repro is the Hege-Uberti Custom Match.(P.S. - 688.00 euros currently works out to @ $761.10, according to Google's currency translater).
Comes equipped with custom turbo-beryllium nipples (swirled finished beryllium nipples on cylinder).

They used to carry a accuratized Rogers & Spender (EuroArms was I believe the original manufacturer,) but apparently stopped when EuroArms went out of business.

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Old February 26, 2016, 04:30 AM   #25
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In order:
1. Hege Army Match Maximum (made by Feinwerkbau, actually)
2. Pedersoli
3. Pietta Shooter's Model
4. Pietta
5. Uberti
Feinwerkbau is no longer making them or something - there is nothing on the Feinwerkbau webpage and the Army Match Maximum isn't in the Hege shop either.

As of now, the top of the Hege line is a Hege-Uberti Custom Match, which is an Uberti made to Hege specifications, with a few extra finishing touches and with a Lothar-Walther barrel (beryllium nipples and argon hardening of hammer are optional extras). I don't know if it is best, since I did not handle a Pedersoli or Pietta shooter's 1858 (or as they call them here, match), but it is definitely up there.
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