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Old April 17, 2013, 10:39 PM   #51
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Old April 18, 2013, 01:51 AM   #52
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Simple. I like it.
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Old April 20, 2013, 07:48 AM   #53
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Old April 20, 2013, 09:34 AM   #54
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Jerry, what kind of light mount is that?
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Old April 20, 2013, 10:00 AM   #55
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just some el cheap light clamp that i bent outwards a bit to accept a generic S&W flashlight.
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Old April 20, 2013, 10:20 AM   #56
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Yup....that says it all with a "smile" right there.
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Old April 21, 2013, 03:54 AM   #57
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It has changed a bit since I took that pic. These days it has a Slidefire stock and a tromix shark break in place of the thread protector. (the tromix break does WONDERS on the recoil.)
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Old April 21, 2013, 05:55 AM   #58
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mine


wish it was mine...
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Old April 21, 2013, 10:22 AM   #59
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Freakin' Bonnie and Clyde Barrow special!
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Old April 21, 2013, 10:27 AM   #60
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It has changed a bit since I took that pic. These days it has a Slidefire stock and a tromix shark break in place of the thread protector. (the tromix break does WONDERS on the recoil.)
I checked that brake out. Looks like a great breaching tool to boot. It looks hefty, too, but I bet you wouldn't notice it on your rig with a full, large drum.
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Old April 21, 2013, 07:32 PM   #61
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My primary HD weapon is a handgun... but I like to keep my options open.
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Old April 25, 2013, 02:14 PM   #62
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I know a lot of guys are against slings on home defense shotguns, but I just added a VTAC buttstock sling adapter and really like how the shotgun carries with it worn across the body.

-If you needed both your hands, the gun is against your chest flat and the sling isn't going to get snagged on anything.

-You don't need to unsling the shotgun to mount it to your shoulder this way.

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Old April 25, 2013, 11:48 PM   #63
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Nothing wrong with the sling, but in a home invasion incident you have handled the attack or will be out of ammo and time before you have to resort to slinging your shotgun.
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Old April 26, 2013, 02:40 AM   #64
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My tactical single shot, when tactics require you to stash a shotgun away in your truck, cabin etc. Tactical barrel is for bashing people on the head. Tactical pouch holds 20 tactical shells. Tactical dime is used to take down the fore stock.

That's amazing. Great post.
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Old April 26, 2013, 03:16 AM   #65
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Ok, took a couple snapshots here of the Ithicas.

The new Ithica shoots great. Fit and finish is excellent, and on a par with older generations. The parkerized finish is a practical choice. For left handed shooters (like my Son and oldest daughter) bottom eject is nice. The gun has sling swivels (though it lacks a sling mount behind the trigger which some folks seem to like for a single point sling) I have not installed the tac light/bracket combo yet.





It is drilled and tapped for a picatiny rail so anything from ghost rings to red dots can be mounted on the gun. Not a big deal to me, as I am happy with the good ol bead sight.



Pro's:
Action is slicker than any 870 or Mossberg I've shot
VERY reliable (as are the 870's and Mossbergs)
VERY LIGHT
Easy to load magazine
Excellent setup for left handed shooters. (the safety is reversible for lefties.)

Cons:
Fixed Barrel (seems to be a solution in search of a problem that never existed) and makes cleaning a bit of a pain
Single slide bar (I've NEVER had problems with it, but some might be leery of it)
Bottom eject makes the so called "tactical reload" different than what many are used to doing.
Lack of aftermarket crap to hang on the gun (if that's your thing)

Here is how the new Riot gun looks next to my 1975 vintage 18" Ithica



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Old April 28, 2013, 10:56 AM   #66
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I understand there is nothing special about my Mossy 500 shotgun, but it is mine and does the job. I grew up on a 500 and am use to the tang saftey and slide release. They work best for me being a lefty. I've added a nylon 12ga shell holder to the buttstock and a sling. It sits ready with 00 buck. I've only recently shot it with slugs and am planning a trap shoot with a friend to break in the 28" bbl.

I purchased this combo for $299 on sale last year from Davidsons...that is probably the only thing tactical about this shotgun. I've owned an O/U, single shot, Rem 870 security, and still have SxS 12ga for a wall hanger. I might be interested in a 930 but otherwise this one shotty does everyting I need it to do. I would like to get a 20ga combo like this for my kids to learn on.

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Old April 28, 2013, 04:12 PM   #67
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Many would argue that less is more on an HD shotgun, jpwilly. Nice shotgun.
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Old April 28, 2013, 06:43 PM   #68
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870 tactical, with a Houge stock set and a loop for a single point sling.

Just about perfect!
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Old April 29, 2013, 04:22 PM   #69
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Frills or Plain Jane, it's gotta work! H/D Shotguns

When buying or building, owners seem to put function in last place. They look at all the goodies first and it going BANG last.
Your platform for building needs to be reliability. Simple function in either Pump or auto configuration is the prime factor in choosing a brand or Model to start with.
My prime consideration was contract sales. Who and why did they choose a model/brand to go with? What was the prime point? Function above all else! Ease of maintaince and ability to digest everything in spite of what gunk was thrown at it.
That magic Mil Spe'c scenerio that counts when the chips are down and lives are on the line, is where the only real decision could be made. The chosen tests and functional reliability expected needed to be both realistic and bordering along the lines of pure torture! Evidentlly the Gov't has always been able to assemble a set of circumstances to test the metal of any gun. Mud dunkings and temprature extremes set the outer limits of sanity and the battlefield.
This is where you look to find the platform to buy or build upon!
Aside from buying a full combat ready Shotgun a new buyer must select his own Spec's required in his own battle enviornment. A homeowner must defend his "ground" under just as realistic circumstances as a soilder. Carpet lint is no worse a foe than is sand. The H/D Shotgun must function in as a jumbled dirt and jam inducing scnerio as a Military Contractor does.
So just what are the biggest foes to you on your Battlefield?
You need to evaluate all situations that you'll encounter facing a Bad Guy in your livingroom and down the hall. What overall length permits a quick turn in the hall, in the laundry room, or in the Garage? I'd opt for a fairly short barrel 18" to 20" long. OAL with a conventional synthetic or wood stock will be about 40". more than functional. No need for a pistol grip only or folding stock.
How much power do you need? Realistically, a 12 or 20 ga will cover most all needs and ammo is abundant in both gauges. Slugs or Buckshot, Phesant loads for those who must...
Chokes are of little concern at close indoor ranges.
Accessories? Here it gets dicey! You can overburdon youtself with lights, scopes and bayonets or go with a smooth pumpgun with a short barrel.
I chose the smooth route. I wanted as little to get in the way as possible yet have 6 shots at the ready. Feed as you go. I figgure I would turn the lights on and not try to shoot by flashlight. I wanna see my opponent and hit him fast and hard in the center with "00" Buckshot!
A full battle Shotgun may make sense house clearing for a Police Dept but they go through extensive training with all acessories. Stocks collapsed, stocks open, etc. Police and Military orginazitions take the time to train seperate scenerios with each weapon system.
The Honeowner might walk through the house on Saturday morning while everyone is gone shopping, and then maybe only once every 6 months at that. House clearing is more a mental excersize than a physical one on that given Saturday morning. Frankilly the average guy dosen't train hardly at all! It'd be great if you could train weekly as the Pro's do but it's unpratical untill you face the moment and wish that you had!
So the best thing to do is send everyone shopping more often and make that quick 10 minute run through the house. 10 minutes that may save your family!
Training need not take hours but every time you run through it, you find holes in your home defense stratigy. That's what'll count when the moment happens and you need to preform.
Set up your gun for your House, set your house up for defense. and finally set your mind to defend!

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Old April 29, 2013, 10:01 PM   #70
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My '63 model Wingmaster with a 20" cylinder bore barrel

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Old April 30, 2013, 11:46 AM   #71
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^nice!^

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Nothing wrong with the sling, but in a home invasion incident you have handled the attack or will be out of ammo and time before you have to resort to slinging your shotgun.

It's not really "slinging" in the traditional sense, it's not over my shoulder, it's across the chest in front of me.
I like having the option to free up my hands, but still have the gun in front of me ready to go. Or to take one hand off to open/close a door. The sling still supports the shotgun. Understand why some consider a sling a deficit but I prefer them.

I agree overall that simple is better.
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Old May 1, 2013, 09:28 AM   #72
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My '63 model Wingmaster with a 20" cylinder bore barrel

Those older 'Wingmasters' are actually very nice shotguns. Looked over seventies or earlier 12ga high polish blue with smooth-bore 18.5" or 20" barrel and rifled sights marked 2&3/4" shells or shorter. I very much like that kind of stuff.
I pretty much stay away from new ones with plastic folding stocks, breeching choke devices,....."kids" now have stuff that serves no practical purpose other then adding weight, cost and ugliness to the shotgun.
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Old May 1, 2013, 09:30 AM   #73
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seems there are more "just" shotguns than there are tactical ones....at least in this thread anyway.
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Old May 1, 2013, 10:25 AM   #74
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tactical shotguns

Hunterdad- Nice Stevens for sure. Who makes that bag and where could I find one ? That is exactly what I have been looking for for my cut down 520 and 620, as it does not scream GUN like most others.

And pps, I am a big fan of the Ithaca's as well, but that is the first extended mag tube I have seen. Can you tell me where I could find such a setup ?

Thanks for the sweet pics !

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Old May 1, 2013, 10:30 AM   #75
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seems there are more "just" shotguns than there are tactical ones....at least in this thread anyway.
How so, Jerry?

I mean, to me a tactical is a short barreled riot gun and or a high capacity rig, but I admit to being behind the times in terminology.
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