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Old June 24, 2013, 07:44 AM   #101
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He went from the breech, the direction the over sized snake was pulled till it jammed.
That receiver being attached to the barrel gave him a major disadvantage allowing flexure in the driving rod, plus he ended up having to use rod just barely big enough to do the job.
With what he had to work with I doubt he could ever have reversed the brush and driven it out from the muzzle.
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Old June 24, 2013, 01:47 PM   #102
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I hammered from the muzzle, there was no way in hell given how much it bowed if more than 2 cm was exposed beyond the flashhider (6cm to crown)...there was 30cm on the receiver side.

Thing is, burning a 2mm hole to the centre of the stainless steel core of the brush enabled me to get the brass rod onto it very quickly....even then the first hour of having the brass on steel contact it seemed like I was getting nowhere (10-12 rods that were within 5mm difference in terms of length) and what I showed was a fraction of the rods that bent.

on a barrel without a flash hider it would have been a much easier process.

I also filled the barrel from the muzzle end every night with ballistol which no doubt helped also.

I will have to take it to the range this weekend and see how it shoots.

Fingers crossed and will report back
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Old June 24, 2013, 01:54 PM   #103
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You did go in from the muzzle?
I would have thought you'd never get that brush turned with those small rods and the flex the flash hider allowed.
You still gonna use bore snakes?
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Old June 24, 2013, 02:05 PM   #104
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Soldiers blow up M4s regularly by shooting cleaning rods out of 'em. Still gonna use cleaning rods?
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Old June 24, 2013, 02:29 PM   #105
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A correctly sized boresnake will NOT be stuck in the bore if the string breaks. If it's appropriately sized for the bore and becomes stuck, it can be pushed out with a cleaning rod. The issue here is not the concept of a boresnake itself, it's oversized brushes in barrels.
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Old June 24, 2013, 02:35 PM   #106
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I always wondered about the broken rope stories, seems that there is always one end sticking out of the muzzle or breach.
If the wrong size is used I can believe both ends might break. I made a comment earlier in the thread about markings for size and I did look, it took magnification but they are indeed marked though poorly IMO. Just wonder if this is part of the stuck snake problem?
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Old June 24, 2013, 02:46 PM   #107
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Probably 99% operator error, never the less people seem to break those things off in a bore pretty often.
I'll use my rods. Besides, I don't think much of the idea of dragging a pull line or string through a bore over and over. They've got to get coated with crud.
I run a patch through one pass only, brushes get washed in solvent, and rods kept wiped down.
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Old June 24, 2013, 09:56 PM   #108
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Easy to see why Dillon says bore snakes are very popular with gunsmiths.
I too have to wonder how many of these "Stuck bore snake" threads are due to the operator using the wrong size.
Anyway, Congrats, glad everything came out alright! ( pun intended)
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Old June 24, 2013, 10:30 PM   #109
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JMHO but if your bore is dirty/fouled enough to use a brush, get a rod and learn to use it. Otherwise get or make a pull through that just uses a patch. Trying to do both with a nylon string you get what you bought. Just a bunch of lazy shooters.
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Old June 24, 2013, 11:59 PM   #110
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You gonna throw away that good bore snake section? Man, whatta waste.
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Old June 25, 2013, 09:13 AM   #111
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JMHO but if your bore is dirty/fouled enough to use a brush, get a rod and learn to use it. Otherwise get or make a pull through that just uses a patch. Trying to do both with a nylon string you get what you bought. Just a bunch of lazy shooters.
Scooter, indeed, we should do everything to keep lazy shooters off the HIGH Road, and never entertain any method of improvement in cleaning firearms. Semi-automatics are probably also a dangerous innovation, and what's with these stocks that are not solid walnut?
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Old June 27, 2013, 01:03 AM   #112
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Of course there is nothing wrong with improvement.

However, if someone asks about a Jennings semi-auto, there will probably be some (honest) opinions about the safety and reliability of such a gun.

I believe the negative comments about boresnakes are in the same line.

Boresnakes offer convenience in a small package and clean a bore to some extent, but "full disclosure" should include the things which can go wrong, including how difficult they are to correct.

Then, hopefully, the informed user will do the right thing...
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Old September 21, 2014, 04:03 AM   #113
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Would it surprise anyone to know I have shot out several obstructions like that and still have all my bits and pieces and no damage to the rifles or handguns?

Use a standard factory round, pull the bullet, dump out about half the powder and stick a fluff of cotton in the case to keep the powder from spilling out. DO NOT PUT THE BULLET BACK IN! Fire the cartridge. (With .22 LR, you can use the full powder charge, instead of half.)

That's it, folks, no bulged barrel, no explosion, no scratches in the barrel that weren't there before, no pieces of rifle scattered over four counties. Just a sort of "poof."

Now what not to do. DON'T try it with a bullet in the case; you WILL bulge or burst the barrel. DON'T use a factory blank cartridge; the powder burns too fast. With a revolver with the bullet stuck in the forcing cone, you will have drive the bullet back into the cylinder so the cylinder can be opened, and the bullet will either come out with the case or just fall out.

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Sorta sounds like a mini pipe bomb...
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Old September 21, 2014, 11:29 AM   #114
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I make a form of bore snake that is not like the bore snake, it is impossible to stick, jam or hang up, but, if it did by design it has a unjam, unstick and unhang-up feature.

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Old September 25, 2014, 08:21 PM   #115
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"Sorta sounds like a mini pipe bomb... "

Nope, no pipe bomb, just a clear and undamaged barrel.

But I like the method of burning the obstruction out by heating the barrel red hot with an acetylene torch. Now that is a great way to keep from harming the barrel!

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Old September 26, 2014, 10:29 PM   #116
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it is impossible to stick, jam or hang up, but, if it did by design it has a unjam, unstick and unhang-up feature.
If it's impossible to stick, jam or hang up (you obviously haven't loaned it to a few people that I know for testing!), why does it need an unjam feature?
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Old September 26, 2014, 10:37 PM   #117
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Give it to four GI's with nothing better to do for 15 minutes.

And you will soon find in less then 15 minutes, 4 of your 3 features are not at all foolproof, or even true!

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Old September 27, 2014, 10:45 AM   #118
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As a former GI (all those years ago...) I resemble that remark...

Seriously, I'd like to hear whether that barrel performed properly after all the work required to clear it. Here's hoping the owner found it worked like it did before the problem.
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