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Old July 22, 2013, 06:00 PM   #1
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Washington State I-594 is Firearm Registration

Petitioners began hanging out at my local grocery stores and were attempting to get people to sign. I decided to download and read the document that is being proposed and I am EXTREMELY upset at the legislation this is shaping up to be. This video is my partial analysis of the language of the initiative and I encourage you all to read it and please share the video with your friends and lets spread the awareness about this dangerous initiative.

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Old July 22, 2013, 07:55 PM   #2
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Here we go. I think a lot of us knew that a fight was brewing in WA next. Just read through the text; I'll need to take another stab at it when I have more time, but I agree about being upset.
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Old July 22, 2013, 08:12 PM   #3
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I can't stand dishonest legislation masquerading around as something it's not. This bill has nothing but crap in it and should never see the light of day.
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Old July 23, 2013, 05:50 AM   #4
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darn it, those folks in Olympia are at it again.
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Old July 23, 2013, 08:42 AM   #5
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Care to summarize what's wrong with the Bill for those of us that can't click on a video link at work.
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Old July 23, 2013, 12:52 PM   #6
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It's universal background checks plus firearm registration for every pistol transfer (you must have a CPL or written permission from the local LEO to purchase a pistol). If you hand your firearm to someone other than your immediate family at anywhere other than an approved gun range, you are a criminal. If you fail to register your dead spouses pistol within 60 days, you are a criminal. There's a new tax to pay for everything. There's a new state background check system. That's what I can list off the top of my head.
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Old July 23, 2013, 04:15 PM   #7
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Initiative is what it is and has no chance in Olympia then goes to a public vote and that will have a good chance of passing (IMOP) Remember, King county ( Seattle ) is the largest voting block in the state and it is about as anti-gun as you get. Best thing to do is vote in 2014 when it comes up and make sure your friends do the same.
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Old July 23, 2013, 04:52 PM   #8
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Put your boots in the ground and dig in! Gotta push that tide back, several states have already this year.

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Old July 27, 2013, 10:08 PM   #9
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Here in Washington State we have the "pro" gun organizations offering up Initiative measure 591, titled "Protect Our Gun Rights." It all looks good other than what I noticed when I first read it when it was released. That was as follows:

NEW SECTION. Sec. 2. A new section is added to chapter 9.41 RCW to read as follows: It is unlawful for any government agency to require background checks on the recipient of a firearm unless a uniform national standard is required.

It is interesting that the "Protect Your Gun Rights" I-591, Section 2 "...unless a uniform standard is require." (which could be written by anyone from the EPA, or the UN) is being overlooked as a potential usurping of and forfeiting of the 10th Amendment of the Bill of Rights.
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Old July 28, 2013, 01:28 PM   #10
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That video in the OP goes too far off topic to be effective. The guy really needs to get to the point in explaining the problems that are specific to I-594.

I do appreciate the effort, but a shorter video that points out the hidden problems with the bill would pull in more of the fence sitters, whose votes we need. Thanks for your work on this.
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Old July 28, 2013, 05:21 PM   #11
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I-594= Universal Background checks>Registration>Confiscation>Democide
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Old August 3, 2013, 12:53 AM   #12
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Here in NC we have to get a permit from the local sheriff or have a CCP. But we can get 5 purchase permits at once for $5 each and they are good forever unless you do something to fail a background check at the time of purchase. So once you have purchase permits there is no waiting period. You just buy a pistol like a long gun until your permits are gone. To be frank, I would rather wait 24 hours for purchase permits one time in 5 than have a brady waiting period on every purchase. Most counties have a purchase permit ready the next business day.

Personally, I wouldn't mind if a few people had to wait an extra day for a purchase permit. We have one deputy that will be on desk duty for the rest of his life from a helicopter crash. Now, we have another deputy on desk duty for an indefinite length of time due to a car accident. Things going fast in the office are nice but not due to our deputies being injured. They both have a family that loves them and they are respected members of our community.

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Old August 3, 2013, 08:19 AM   #13
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I don't know why you'd try to tie to a national standard since it already exists in the form of the fed mandated Brady check (which also provides that national standard). The language may be intended to limit the requirements of the background check to the Brady, but that's not clearly what is being said (many state, mine included, have added a couple of bits to the minimum the Brady calls out).
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Old August 4, 2013, 01:35 PM   #14
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Well the problem starts when people forget that the only national standard is, ..."shall not be infringed." But here we have folks trying to impose something different and even legitimize anything other than what shall not be infringed upon. The 4473 which leads to the NICS is an infringement on what shall not be infringed upon...now we have those with the intent to completely, by state initiative, acquiesce to whomever and whatever they may come up with from the national level to infringe upon what shall not be infringed, without recourse. Does critical thinker in WA State really think that the liberal State Supreme Court will in any subsequent ruling, rule in favor any pretext of what shall not be infringed? I think not. To think otherwise is to whistle past the grave yard of all we have learned of those who would see themselves rule over free people.
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Old August 4, 2013, 01:49 PM   #15
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"you must have a CPL or written permission from the local LEO to purchase a pistol"
Isn't the 2nd Amendment "written permission"? In what way is this possibly Constitutional..
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Old August 4, 2013, 02:10 PM   #16
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"you must have a CPL or written permission from the local LEO to purchase a pistol"

^ This is an infringement when purchasing any firearm from an FFL. Any "new" uniform national standard, like Unversal background checks, will be infringements just as the current national standard, 4473---> NICS is an infringement.

"Isn't the 2nd Amendment "written permission"? In what way is this possibly Constitutional.."

^ NO! The 2nd Amendment is an affirmation of a right, NOT permission granted by another human. One man's right cannot be owned by another, therefore cannot be given or taken. Now granted man has made paper law that punishes people for violating said man made paper law which does infringe upon a natural, God given right. To acquiesce, or compromise or think of giving up a right is wrong wrong, wrong for those who would be free.
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Old August 11, 2013, 10:59 PM   #17
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Thanks for the compliments, tips, and suggestions. I appreciate you guys watching and hopefully getting this info out to fellow Washingtonians. Keep up the fight and call your reps and congress people!
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Old August 19, 2013, 02:04 PM   #18
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This is why if it goes to a public vote I think it will pass. Again King county is the largest voting county in the state and most there feel this is a good idea. Gun free zones in Seattle. Announced Today,
http://www.king5.com/news/cities/sea...220128521.html
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Old August 23, 2013, 08:54 PM   #19
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sporterizin, philisophically I agree, but if it wasn't written down in the Constitution, I doubt it's a right we would still have.
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Old August 26, 2013, 11:37 AM   #20
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To be frank, I would rather wait 24 hours for purchase permits one time in 5 than have a brady waiting period on every purchase.
And I'd rather have neither, so its a good thing I live in a free state where I can walk into a gun store and walk out with any handgun, rifle or shotgun in the store within 15 minutes.

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Personally, I wouldn't mind if a few people had to wait an extra day for a purchase permit.
Why? Waiting periods are nothing but an additional burden on law abiding gun owners imposed by people who would just as soon confiscate every lawfully owned gun in the country.


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We have one deputy that will be on desk duty for the rest of his life from a helicopter crash. Now, we have another deputy on desk duty for an indefinite length of time due to a car accident. Things going fast in the office are nice but not due to our deputies being injured. They both have a family that loves them and they are respected members of our community.
I'm sorry for these LEOs, but this has what do do with the discussion of purchase permits and waiting periods?
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Old October 5, 2013, 11:53 AM   #21
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Still very active.
"Advocates seeking to expand the use of background checks on gun sales in Washington state plan to submit their first batch of initiative petition signatures next week, the Secretary of State’s Office said Friday.

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2013/1...-plans-to.html

Read more here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2013/1...#storylink=cpy
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Old October 5, 2013, 07:25 PM   #22
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Yep, in my opinion I-594 is rotten to the core. Every effort must be made to defeat it.
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Old October 8, 2013, 09:51 AM   #23
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The 2011 FBI Uniform Crime Report state statistics are at http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...tables/table-5

They show the rate of crime by state and reveal that Washington's rate of 2.4/100,000 population is far below NJ (4.3), NY (4.0), and CA (4.8), states with just the sort of proposed infringements on ownership. Table 5 also shows that these crimes are committed 10 to 1 as often in the major metro areas of Washington (137) vs. the state as a whole (162). Why exactly would Washington want to follow California when California's murder rate is twice that of Washington?
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Old October 18, 2013, 08:29 AM   #24
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This video comes from another YouTuber showing extremely clear evidence of signature manipulation in the gathering for support of I-594. This guy deserves a medal and whoever the out of state company is should be investigated for fraud.

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Bonus footage showing massive fraud
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Old October 20, 2013, 10:32 AM   #25
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This video comes from another YouTuber showing extremely clear evidence of signature manipulation in the gathering for support of I-594. This guy deserves a medal and whoever the out of state company is should be investigated for fraud.

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if the Video shows fraud savage1r, we need to make sure it is shown to lawmakers.
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