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Old September 10, 2013, 01:46 PM   #51
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Here is my take, If you haven't already sent in your gun, then you may be better off waiting until you see when they are going to start returning them. If my gun is going to sit someplace for a few months, it may as well sit in my house. the likelihood of the gun having that issue is very low, "my opinion", since I have never heard of one having the issue, "either issue". Springfield says that it "could" happen, but as of yet there are no cases of it happening.
Also perhaps this may turn into a situation where they can send out the part if you so choose, and have it replaced yourself. I think that they had no idea of the gravity of how this would hit them until they see the thousands of guns coming in.
I had already gotten my RMA stamp sent to me, when I decided to wait. I have other guns to use and until I know exactly what part is bad, and how long it's going to take, the gun can sit here. There is a good chance that this occurrence will never even happen.
I sounds like you really have to worry upon loading the gun, so if it's in the nightstand there is a million to 1 chance that it's going to happen to your gun.
I don't suggest anyone do this, but it's what I am doing for now, until more information comes out. I don't need my gun rusting in some warehouse while they figure out that they underestimated the time frame on this which large companies are famous for. I would like to first know what they are replacing, and if they have the parts and manpower to do it in a timely manner or if the gun is going to be gone for 6 months.
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Old September 10, 2013, 05:38 PM   #52
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I don't know what the fix is but on their website the pictures show a roll pin on the grip safety as an indicator of the recall being done.What could that roll pin do?
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Old September 11, 2013, 11:45 AM   #53
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It could be that simple, a roll pin may allow the grip safety to engage improperly thus causing the gun to fire. If that's all it is, I would get the part and fix it in 15 minutes myself rather than lay the gun up for who knows how long. But I would think there is more to it than that, otherwise why is it turning into a machine gun, unless it's the roll pin for the sear or it's the roll pin plus something else. I am sure one of our members will figure it out soon. That XD forum is scary, from looking at some of the posts, no one really knows what the problem is. It mentions roll pin, grip safety, and trigger assembly for the most part, but no one knows for sure what it is.
The fear is that hey are hiring non gunsmith people to get the guns done fast. Again, if it's the pin or safety or even a couple of springs, they "in my opinion" should give people the option of doing it themselves.
Some mentioned a new trigger assembly, which could make the gun less attractive if not engineered properly, "rushed". Perhaps we will learn more as the week comes to a close.
Many are holding off to see how long this is going to take, mainly for the reasons I mentioned above, if it's going to sit in a warehouse for 3 months, it may as well sit here and when they are finished rushing, then I will send mine in. Plus there may be other or better options down the line. Like a kit. I am no gunsmith, but opening up a Tupperware gun is pretty easy to do, I have done that many times, so if they are just dropping in a part or two, it should be an option. Probably for legal reasons of liability they haven't made it an option. If you don't put the parts in right, they would be liable for allowing you to do it.

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Old September 11, 2013, 01:37 PM   #54
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Mine arrived at SA a week ago. It'll be "interesting" to see how long it takes for them to send it back. I'll let the forum know when I receive it.
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Old September 11, 2013, 02:02 PM   #55
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This is the second trip for my XDs. Right at 400 rounds the slide lock lever broke on it and I sent it back in per instructions from SA. It's been 300 error free rounds and now the recall. FYI SA customer service was excellent the first time around and I got my pistol back in 8 days counting shipping. I think might be a little longer this time. Anyway we'll see!
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Old September 11, 2013, 06:52 PM   #56
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I'm sure there will be a flood of "I got my XDs back !" posts when they start coming home. I'm choosing to trust SA. I've never heard anything bad about their CS and yes even though they have a mountain of work to do and a lot of pistols to fix, I think they will likely be pretty dedicated since this gun only hit the market last year, and they are really pushing it.

And for good reason, it is a great carry option. I want another one even though I have no reason to buy a second one.

Now if they really want to keep their customers happy, each gun should come back with a free 5 round magazine. Doubt that would happen though.
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Old September 12, 2013, 01:10 PM   #57
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there are reports of the problems happening , just google "xds full auto"

watch this for a double fire: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...b2nkeRGN4#t=15
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Old September 12, 2013, 01:12 PM   #58
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here is the slow mo of the vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=uoog6QLwHUg

at least it looks like it has an a+ rate of fire
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Old September 12, 2013, 04:33 PM   #59
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I can't tell anything from those. Am waiting for an official version of what is broken or requires replacement prior to shipping mine out I would pay for a new grip safety if that's all it is. There are already upgrades on the market "larger ones, and plated versions".
that's just me, follow your own feeling on it.
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Old September 28, 2013, 09:06 PM   #60
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Buddy of mine has a xds and was pretty bummed. He got a email today and this is part of what it said.


We originally estimated a 30-day turn-around time, but it has unfortunately taken longer to develop and identify an upgrade solution. Please know that we are continuing to test potential upgrade solutions at this time and we have been doing so since we became aware of this issue. This testing is nearing completion and we will post any new updates as soon as we have identified a final upgrade solution. We will post our next*update*no later than Friday, October 4, and we will communicate immediately if a final solution is identified prior to that date. We wish that we could provide you with a specific return date at this time, but we are unfortunately unable to do so. Upgrades will be completed on a "first come / first served" basis.
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Old September 28, 2013, 09:08 PM   #61
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Email from springfield:

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Dear springfield customer,

We greatly appreciate the tremendous response to the 3.3 xd-s™ recall upgrade. We have received a
very large number of pistols in a very short time, and upgrades will be completed on a "first come / first served” basis.

The upgrade repair is in the final stage of testing, and should be determined soon. The xd-s™ pistols
already received at springfield will be upgraded and returned as soon as possible, beginning within the
next few weeks. Given the volume of xd-s™ pistols now on hand, we expect it will take eight to ten
weeks to upgrade and return the current inventory to their owners. Pistols currently being returned to
springfield for the upgrade, please allow approximately ten to twelve weeks turnaround time.

We are doing our best to increase the speed of the upgrade while maintaining a high level of safety and quality. As the upgrade process progresses, we are hopeful that the return time will become shorter.

We know it is inconvenient for you to be without your pistol, and we sincerely apologize. We assure you that we are working as fast as we can, and we know you will be very pleased with your upgraded 3.3
xd-s™. Thank you for your patience and loyalty. And remember; do not use your 3.3 xd-s™ until the upgrade has been performed.

Once your pistol has been upgraded and is shipping back to you, an e-mail confirmation and tracking information will be sent to you at the e-mail address you provided.

If you still have further questions please call 800-680-6866 or send your request again to recall@springfield-armory.com we appreciate your patience and support!


Sincerely,


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Old September 28, 2013, 09:33 PM   #62
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One of my customers alerted me to this today. Apparently Springfield has not YET developed a fix!

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We originally estimated a 30-day turn-around time, but it has unfortunately taken longer to develop and identify an upgrade solution. Please know that we are continuing to test potential upgrade solutions at this time and we have been doing so since we became aware of this issue. This testing is nearing completion and we will post any new updates as soon as we have identified a final upgrade solution. We will post our next update no later than Friday, October 4, and we will communicate immediately if a final solution is identified prior to that date. We wish that we could provide you with a specific return date at this time, but we are unfortunately unable to do so. Upgrades will be completed on a "first come / first served" basis.
www.springfieldrecall.com/Recall FAQ.asp
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Old September 28, 2013, 10:36 PM   #63
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Makes me glad I haven't sent in my two yet. No fix also implies that the rollpin in the grip safety is just a cosmetic indicator of the theoretical upgrade/repair and does nothing functional.
So now I have in the neighborhood of $1000 tied up in a pair of pistols that (in theory) aren't safe to even load, let alone carry or shoot.

I'm also annoyed that my simple questions via EMail haven't been answered, either directly or in the FAQ - Can I send both my XD(S) pistols in together, and is SA-inc going to get me a FedEx pickup?

I'm not inclined to make a PITA drive in my precious freetime to deal with a surly FedEx register/counter drone.
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Old September 28, 2013, 10:54 PM   #64
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Hmm, I'm glad I havent sent my 2 in either yet. I might start thinking, 'if it aint broke, dont fix it'.
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Old September 28, 2013, 11:01 PM   #65
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Hmm, I'm glad I havent sent my 2 in either yet. I might start thinking, 'if it aint broke, dont fix it'.
The only problem is you may not know it is broke until you have an "incident". There are some pretty scary stories I did not know about until the recall. Google XDS full auto or XDS slam fire.
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Old September 28, 2013, 11:28 PM   #66
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There's 2 9mm 1 45 at the gun store. I want the 45. What should I do.
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Old September 28, 2013, 11:35 PM   #67
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There's 2 9mm 1 45 at the gun store. I want the 45. What should I do.
Tell them about the recall???

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Old September 29, 2013, 12:31 AM   #68
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They received mine on 9/9/13.
I don't expect mine back until the end of October or beginning of November.
It bothers me that I have that much money tied up in a pistol that's doing me no good. I do haveother options as far as carrying goes.
SA customer service is top notch and I believe in them so ill be as patient as needbl be.
On the bright side I have enjoyed carrying my g19 again.
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Old September 29, 2013, 06:34 AM   #69
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Had to convince (and slightly direct order) my LEO friend to send his back in. First thing he did when he read the recall was went out and fired 50 rounds through it. Decided not to send it back because it "worked fine." What convinced him was Springfield pays for shipping both ways. And I loaned him one of my backup pistols to serve as his temporary off duty weapon until he gets the XD-s back. Signed paperwork, witnesses and all that jazz for a loaner.
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Old September 29, 2013, 08:49 AM   #70
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Springfield posted a notice on their website 9/27 that still have NO FIX for the recalled guns.
One of mine has been there for a month and they don't even know what they are going to do? Unbelievable.

Now where was that guy that said I should send both in and thought it was wrong of me to send ONE in and wait for its return before sending the other?
This kind of fishy business is exactly why I would not send both in at the same time.
They should offer full refunds if they can't do any better than that....
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Old September 29, 2013, 09:47 AM   #71
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I am satisfied to keep my XDs45 in my south gunsafe until Springfield actually determines the source of the problem(s), develops a fix, designs/orders/receives the new part(s) and properly trains the repair techs.

O'course, I take it out periodically to test new loads that I am developing for it ... just got my CHRONY back from its memory upgrade.
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Old September 29, 2013, 10:46 AM   #72
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Damn.......sure glad I decided to wait to return mine. From what I have read on the XD site Springfield has a LOT of guns sitting there. There seem to be an opinion out there that the problem that prompted the recall may be user error, at least that is what one thread on the XDs website implies. This has me thinking more about picking up a 3.8 XDM in 45.
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Old September 29, 2013, 11:59 AM   #73
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The fact that Springfield initiated a return without a solution is nothing short of a DISGRACE!! They should have been honest about it but some bean counter probably figured that this will cost them less money. I could care less about the wait since I much prefer a pair of Ruger KLCRs for CC but it does delay my ability to sell my XD-S. However, for others it's a much bigger deal and I would be livid if an XD-S I'd sent in was my only defensive pistol. I sold a NIB M1A Scout Squad recently at a profit (that the buyer claimed was defective and had to send to Springfield) and will make a sizable profit on the XD-S. I'm done with this company.
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Old September 29, 2013, 12:35 PM   #74
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This is from the XD forums. Not my post, nor my experience. I thought some of you may find it interesting.

"Well folks I think I just proved the theory correct. I just got back in the house after making my xds double fire two times (that's four shots total). First of all remember my xds has 1500+ rounds through it with zero issues so I trust this gun. What I did was use the seven round extended mag so I could maintain a secure grip on the pistol while not touching the grip safety. Using my own fairly light handloads (4.0gr bullseye/200gr LSWC) 750 fps, I loaded two rounds in the mag inserted it in the pistol and closed the slide like I normally would. Then I gripped the gun below the grip safety and used my left thumb to engage the grip safety just enough to allow me to start to pull the trigger. At this point I securely gripped the gun with both hands and firmly pulled the trigger all the way to the rear and held it there. BANG BANG two shots. It took me three tries to do this as not allowing the trigger to move forward under recoil with the akward grip proved difficult. I then reloaded two rounds and did it again just to be sure. BANG BANG! I then quit this nonsense and went back to shooting the gun normally just to function test it again after the experiment. It worked fine for 25 more rounds so I was satisfied and came in the house and started typing."
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Old September 29, 2013, 01:19 PM   #75
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The fact that Springfield initiated a return without a solution is nothing short of a DISGRACE!!
They probably didn't want defective guns out there in circulation risking people's safety....
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