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Old October 22, 2013, 04:20 AM   #1726
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Wow all you guys that hate Chinese guns are missing out on some very fine firearms. I don't like China one bit but I do like money. And when I bought my Norinco SKS I got to keep a lot of money I would have had to spend to get a rifle equally as reliable. It's pretty accurate too for what it is. But that rifle is about as reliable as it gets. Then there's the 870 knock off shotguns made in China. I have an 870. I have two of the knock offs. They're better guns than the 870 is. The only complaint I have is the bead is off on one of the barrels but that's something you learn to deal with.

Then there's the Tokarev copy (TT-33) pistol. That was a fine pistol that I should never have sold like I did. Then there's the AK's I seen that were made in China. They worked well. I realize those guns are showing their age these days but they still have a lot going for them. I like having shotguns where I need them in my house if you get my drift. I can use a cheap shotgun (less than $200 for an 870 clone) and not worry about it being confiscated by the cops if I have to use it on an intruder and if one get stolen I haven't lost a lot of cash either.

The worst guns I've seen were made in the good old USA. Jennings, Bryco, Raven, etc. aren't exactly great guns. And they are USA guns. I don't judge all US guns by those crud guns though just like I don't judge all Chinese stuff by some of the crap I've seen come from there.

Maybe you just have a thing against China and I can certainly see that. But the quality is there on some of their stuff.
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Old October 22, 2013, 04:46 AM   #1727
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I agree with what cee zee says regarding Chinese guns. As a collector of AKs I won't touch a US made part with a 10 foot pole unless it's absolutely necessary (922r) and the Chinese make some fine AKs. A lot of people associate Chinese guns with the cheaply made junk you get at Walmart but IMO the Chinese are very capable of making top of the line products. So as far as guns I would never buy most modern ARs and tacticool AKs fall into that category unless I get a really good deal, that and all these new AKs that come with a bunch of tapco mags, it usually ends up being more trouble to get rid of the crappy mags and accessories and replace them with quality parts than the gun is worth to me.
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Old October 22, 2013, 07:58 PM   #1728
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Makarov 9x18! My brother had one and boy was it a pos! The 1st trigger pull was like 20 lbs. seriously!
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Old October 22, 2013, 11:01 PM   #1729
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Chinese stuff in general

I try to support USA industry by buying USA made products whenever I can. I don't mind spending a few more dollars to keep a fellow American working. By supporting our economy instead of some other country I'm also looking out for my own best interest.

Think about it.

As long as there are good products being made here I won't ever buy an imported version. Guns, cars, kayaks, whatever.
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Old October 23, 2013, 11:05 AM   #1730
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I find the hi-point hate to be misplaced and generally a bit ignorant.

They're American made, reliable, and inexpensive. Yes, they're ugly as heck, but if you're a poor college student, or on a limited budget and need a defensive handgun, you can afford a hi-point where you wouldn't be able to afford a more expensive more "prestigious" firearm.

Most of the hate seems to come from the design, which is required to make them as cheap as they are. And with the lifetime no questions asked warentee, you don't get left in the cold as you could with more expensive manufacturors.
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Old October 23, 2013, 11:36 AM   #1731
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Glock or similar synthetic pistols. They work, no question. I don't like the mushy triggers or blocky feel. They be ugly too.

High Point, reminds me of a battery-operated power drill. I have a DeWalt 18v for drilling chores.

Any AR or similar, I did a 20 year Army career. I have seen enough AR's.

On the other hand, A synthetic-stocked rifle is fine, provided the stock is a ridged, quality stock w/ a bedding block.
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Old October 23, 2013, 03:36 PM   #1732
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Mention one negative thing around here,be abrasive about something or post something off topic = locked thread(should be).

70 page gun bashing thread.. = Lets keep this open(dont get it)
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Old October 23, 2013, 06:18 PM   #1733
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Old October 23, 2013, 09:25 PM   #1734
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70 page gun bashing thread.. = Lets keep this open(dont get it)
I said that back when this thread first started. It was me that nearly got it for saying that bashing guns was a bad idea and bound to cause trouble. Go figure. It is what it is I guess.

It would be different if I thought a person could sift through the information and figure out what's really a bad gun but on the very first page someone was bashing a Sig P220. That pistol has been picked as the best pistol made in several polls I've seen. I'm sure there are some lemons out there but my own P220 is utterly fantastic. It shoots as accurate as any pistol I've ever fired, it's dead on reliable and it has lasted me through about 15,000 rounds so far and I bought it used. I've had it a lot of years and the only thing I ever replaced was the recoil spring. It was supposed to be replaced at 7000 rounds I think. I didn't replace it until it had at least double that number. Those pistols have survived some of the worst torture tests ever devised for a handgun. I saw one test where they dropped it from a helicopter onto concrete, set it on fire, shot it with another pistol, hit it with a baseball bat, dropped it from a 3 story building, froze it, ran over it with a 45 ton power shovel, stood the bucket of that power shovel on the gun and raised up one end of the power shovel, they tied it on the bumper of a truck and drug it around a lot time on gravel roads and a bunch of other stuff I can't remember. The gun still functioned through all of that. I don't know what people want from a gun but I can't imagine a better gun being made myself. I can shoot 1" groups at 50 yards with mine on a good day. I might spread my shots out to 3" on a bad day.

I don't doubt that the guy who posted stuff bad about a particular model of the P220 actually had problems with his. But I don't think that's typical because I've seen far more positive reviews of that pistol. Maybe it's the one model. Maybe the guns aren't the same quality after they started making them in the US (compared to the West German made model I have). But a newbie would have a hard time knowing such things and I've seen newbies latch onto really bad information and swear it's gospel even though they have been shooting for exactly a week or less. I saw two guys bash Remington 870's relentlessly for a year. I had bought one of those too and it is still a great gun.

Without some way of keeping track of the good vs. bad of a particular gun it's very hard to learn anything from anecdotal evidence. If I had listened to a few naysayers I don't think I'd own half the guns I own and IMO I only have one really bad gun. I have always sold stuff I didn't like. But I've seen a few negative reports on pretty much every gun I own. I guess I would have never bought a single one and would only have the ones people gave me.
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Old October 23, 2013, 10:12 PM   #1735
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Never Buy Gun ?

First, due to dislike or distain: Phoenix, Rohm, Jennings, etc. Next, due to economics (but which I hold in favor): SIG P210 (Legend), Luger, Mauser Broomhandle, and other expensive types.

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Old October 25, 2013, 01:35 PM   #1736
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Taurus. Had to send a model 85 and a PT1911 back for repairs. Both were defective right out of the box.

If somebody gave me a Taurus, I'll never buy another, I'd give it to the nearest gun buy back program.
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Old October 25, 2013, 02:00 PM   #1737
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Been reading this thread with interest over the years, wondering exactly WHAT firearm I would place on a "Never Buy" list.

Then it hit me... (after re-reading a lot and doing a search to see if I missed it being named before)

As much as I love the darned things in general, an early numbered Springfield/Rock Island 1903 due to the potential but unknown "Oh Darn, there it goes!".
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Old October 25, 2013, 03:37 PM   #1738
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I agree, Hi Point firearms are mostly hated by people who have never owned/used one. They are ugly, heavy and not something I'd carry on duty. But they are also nearly indestructible. Check out IraqVeteran8888's video on U-tube - They had to work really hard to destroy a Hi-9!
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Old October 25, 2013, 04:21 PM   #1739
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Prepare to flame: Ruger 10/22
Savage MKII

The first, I find no issue with besides bad history. Here it is.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=608651

I still have that rifle. My younger daughter loves it, and the rifle itself deserves to be shot. However, I won't buy another.

The latter was bought as a replacement for a Marlin 880SQ I had long ago (the first year they were made). My wife got it for me.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=608651

It just didn't compare. It gave me a bad taste for the "Accutrigger" that took shooting several other Savages to cure. The stock was cheap and the machine work just looked horrible. It rusts within a week properly stored away. My oldest is a Savage fan, so it went to her.

Meanwhile, I am waiting to get a Henry lever or a Browning Buckmark. The wife says one gun and one motorcycle a year and I got one of each already this year.
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Old October 25, 2013, 08:53 PM   #1740
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Wow all you guys that hate Chinese guns are missing out on some very fine firearms. I don't like China one bit but I do like money. And when I bought my Norinco SKS I got to keep a lot of money I would have had to spend to get a rifle equally as reliable. It's pretty accurate too for what it is. But that rifle is about as reliable as it gets. Then there's the 870 knock off shotguns made in China. I have an 870. I have two of the knock offs. They're better guns than the 870 is. The only complaint I have is the bead is off on one of the barrels but that's something you learn to deal with.

Then there's the Tokarev copy (TT-33) pistol. That was a fine pistol that I should never have sold like I did. Then there's the AK's I seen that were made in China. They worked well. I realize those guns are showing their age these days but they still have a lot going for them. I like having shotguns where I need them in my house if you get my drift. I can use a cheap shotgun (less than $200 for an 870 clone) and not worry about it being confiscated by the cops if I have to use it on an intruder and if one get stolen I haven't lost a lot of cash either.

The worst guns I've seen were made in the good old USA. Jennings, Bryco, Raven, etc. aren't exactly great guns. And they are USA guns. I don't judge all US guns by those crud guns though just like I don't judge all Chinese stuff by some of the crap I've seen come from there.

Maybe you just have a thing against China and I can certainly see that. But the quality is there on some of their stuff.
I agree with Cee Zee and Russian Hammer. Norinco made (makes?) some very good weapons. I have 3: SKS, TT-33 9MM, and TT Olympia .22 replica, and all are well made. I believe in supporting the US economy, but let the chips fall where they may. Are we talking good guns, and what works, or what ? As far as affordable and dependable, Norinco is it. I also like S&W (aren't they owned by an UK co. ?), and other corps. There are other good manufacturers , which I'm not referencing now. Just give Norinco their due. We can't get them very easily now , anyway. And I am so sorry. "No offense. - None taken." - From "The Outlaw, Josie Wales"

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Old October 25, 2013, 10:49 PM   #1741
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I agree, Hi Point firearms are mostly hated by people who have never owned/used one. They are ugly, heavy and not something I'd carry on duty. But they are also nearly indestructible. Check out IraqVeteran8888's video on U-tube - They had to work really hard to destroy a Hi-9!
Also another good point, 4x4moses. You might even say a "Hi-Point" (pun intended). Although I have never owned one, I have entertained the possibility, primarily due to all the good reports. Also, the price is so low. What have you got to lose ?
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Old November 1, 2013, 07:22 AM   #1742
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Any Kimber or Glock. Everyone I know that has bought a Kimber has had to send it back for repairs. I think Glocks are way overrated. I just don't get the Hype about a plastic gun that rattles when you shake it and and a safety on the trigger????

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Old November 1, 2013, 07:36 AM   #1743
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I just don't get the Hype about a plastic gun that rattles when you shake and and a safety on the trigger????
Relatively inexpensive "everymans" firearms that fire when you pull the trigger. The rattle is due to the loose tolerances which are part of what leads to the AK like reliability.
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Old November 1, 2013, 10:46 AM   #1744
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Another new Taurus revolver,,,

Another new Taurus revolver,,,
Notice I said new.

There is nothing wrong with the design or the materials of Taurus revolvers,,,
But the quality control out of their factory leaves much to be desired,,,
Even with their lifetime warranty it's still a crap shoot for quality.

Now if I see a used Taurus revolver that catches my eye,,,
And I can arrange to take it out for a test drive,,,
I wouldn't mind owning one I've tested.

To example this I did buy a Taurus .22 revolver for a friend last year,,,
But I arranged to have the seller meet me at my range,,,
I ran 100 rounds in it and the gun checked out,,,
So I had no qualms against purchasing it.

The thing is if you get a good Taurus right out of the box,,,
It will probably run just fine for lots and lots of years.

But if you get a bad one out of the box,,,
And this has happened to me twice (970 and 990 Tracker),,,
Taurus has proven to me that their lifetime warranty is pretty much worthless.

Long story short,,,
Neither gun was repaired correctly.

I don't want to be that stereotypical Taurus basher,,,
But the actual reality of their situation is,,,
You can't trust their GC inspectors.

Aarond

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Old November 1, 2013, 11:38 AM   #1745
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All of them except for the ones with a little prancing pony on the side.




Well that's not entirely true, I need a 45-70 and a 308.
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Old November 1, 2013, 12:13 PM   #1746
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Bill Ruger said no honest man needs a mag that holds more than ten shots and cooperated with Clinton to put the high cap mag ban in. No way do his guns ever get in my hands.
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Old November 1, 2013, 05:41 PM   #1747
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I'm shocked tha management has not closed and locked this thread.
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Old November 1, 2013, 06:06 PM   #1748
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Old November 1, 2013, 08:45 PM   #1749
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Well, buzzzzzz ! Stay shocked, and let the thread roll on ! Apparently, SEVERAL OTHERS do like the thread. Do you have something against free speech ?
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Old November 1, 2013, 08:47 PM   #1750
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