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Old November 1, 2013, 11:07 PM   #1751
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"What's your "never buy" gun?"
A fancy, custom 1911, a 3000$ run 'o the mill Python, anything new from H und K, und a SCAR.

Now the mods can shut 'er down

I don't understand the hate for beater guns; folks just press them into roles they weren't intended for. No, that Lorcin will not stand up to weekly practice and the travails of daily carry, nor should you expect it to. It was bought to probably function when needed, and mostly to provide a deterrent against someone who would throttle you for certain if you had no gun at all. No, that Taurus will not have left the factory with acceptable quality control oversight. You're wrong to expect it to, since you weren't willing to pay for the QC at time of sale, so now you have to pick up the slack by identifying issues at time of sale or fixing them after the fact. If you want a gun with a better guarantee for hassle-free operation off the bat, you have to pay for one.

And you still may be unlucky and get a S&W with the wrong number of flutes cut in the cylinder . But, you are less likely to have a gun you are unhappy with.

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Old November 1, 2013, 11:42 PM   #1752
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All of them except for the ones with a little prancing pony on the side.




Well that's not entirely true, I need a 45-70 and a 308.
Here's your gun.

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Old November 2, 2013, 12:13 AM   #1753
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Cokeman, I think I'm in love. How well does she shoot? What is she chambered for?
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Old November 2, 2013, 12:14 AM   #1754
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Does that thing have a "hello kitty" on the other side?
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Old November 2, 2013, 12:17 AM   #1755
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With 71 pages and still going, that's a lot of guns and opinions. It'd be interesting to see which gun came out on top or would that be on the bottom? Anyone interested in counting it up?

Anyone. . . ?
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Old November 2, 2013, 01:13 AM   #1756
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Cokeman, I think I'm in love. How well does she shoot? What is she chambered for?
You'll have to ask ForumSurfer. It's his gun.
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Old November 2, 2013, 02:50 AM   #1757
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Bill Ruger said no honest man needs a mag that holds more than ten shots and cooperated with Clinton to put the high cap mag ban in. No way do his guns ever get in my hands.
When he dies and the company/guns are no longer his, will you reconsider ?

Oh Wait...............
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Old November 2, 2013, 09:09 AM   #1758
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Post inspired by this here thread:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=397517

I'm curious about just the opposite. What would you never actually purchase, except maybe to turn around and sell to some dumb sucker for a nice profit? You might hate the company (H&K). You might see the gun as an impractical gimmick (Desert Eagle), you might dislike some politically/legally-mandated design features (Ruger Mk.III) or maybe just think the thing is a useless antique (1911 (just kidding please don't kill me)). Whatever. What would you never get for yourself, and why?

My choice would be one of those short-barrelled S&W X-frames. The muzzle blast of a snubnose .357 is quite enough for me, thank you. I know it's not exactly a linear comparison (my .44 Mag for instance is a pleasure to shoot while the .357 is a pain, almost literally) but still. Snubby .460 or .500? NO.
Got a reasonable collection already. Not sure at all that I would rate anything "never buy". Can't always tell what will "scratch your itch" in the future.
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Old November 8, 2013, 01:24 PM   #1759
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Just my personal opinions, not saying these guns shouldn't be around or that others shouldn't buy them, but you'll never catch me with one:

Anything polished to a mirror finish
Anything single shot
Any .410 revolver (really anything in .410 but revolvers especially)
Any handgun without a thumb button mag release
Any handgun in something stronger than .44 mag
Anything in .50 BMG
S&W Semi Autos (love S&W revolvers though)
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Old November 8, 2013, 02:10 PM   #1760
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Not too many I don't want, but anything Taurus or Glock won't be in my collection anytime soon
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Old November 8, 2013, 03:12 PM   #1761
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Won't buy a Kahr, High Point, Taurus or any featherweight snubby. I do wonder why so much hate on Ruger....I own 5 Rugers....2 long guns, and 3 revolvers. My 28ga. Red Label had a firing pin spring problem....they had it two weeks...sent it back working better than it ever did...my .44 SBH had a barrel that was put in slighly cocked...had it a week...put in new barrel, new cylinder...etc..Best customer service I have ever dealt with....and I own two Glocks...G19 and G20...NEVER a problem...
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Old November 8, 2013, 05:13 PM   #1762
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Won't buy a Kahr, High Point, Taurus or any featherweight snubby. I do wonder why so much hate on Ruger....I own 5 Rugers....2 long guns, and 3 revolvers. My 28ga. Red Label had a firing pin spring problem....they had it two weeks...sent it back working better than it ever did...my .44 SBH had a barrel that was put in slighly cocked...had it a week...put in new barrel, new cylinder...etc..Best customer service I have ever dealt with....and I own two Glocks...G19 and G20...NEVER a problem...
I think a significant issue with many people when it comes to Rugers was Bill Ruger's letter to Congress in 1989:

"The best way to address the firepower concern is therefore not to try to outlaw or license many millions of older and perfectly legitimate firearms (which would be a licensing effort of staggering proportions) but to prohibit the possession of high capacity magazines. By a simple, complete and unequivocal ban on large capacity magazines, all the difficulty of defining 'assault rifle' and 'semi-automatic rifles' is eliminated. The large capacity magazine itself, separate or attached to the firearm, becomes the prohibited item. A single amendment to Federal firearms laws could effectively implement these objectives."

To say he thoroughly ****ed off a huge segment of firearms owners would be putting it mildly. And his influence on SAMMI for this same issue wasn't much appreciated, either.

There are still people today who won't buy a Ruger product because of this. Not even on of their (few) weapons which have large capacity magazines.
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Old November 8, 2013, 07:27 PM   #1763
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30-06 of any kind! I have seen to much game lost to that caliber.

Machine gun pistols! Not my thing but to each their own that's why we have a second amendment!
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Old November 8, 2013, 08:07 PM   #1764
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30-06 of any kind! I have seen to much game lost to that caliber.

Machine gun pistols! Not my thing but to each their own that's why we have a second amendment!
Heh!

Perchance this round shouldn't be used on squirrel and rabbit, then...

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Old November 11, 2013, 02:23 PM   #1765
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Never nerved Never Again Buy a Beretta nano 9mm. Piece of junk!!!!!!!!!!
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Old November 11, 2013, 04:41 PM   #1766
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Ruger auto pistols and the 10-22(wheel guns are okay, I still prefer S&W), hi-point, Lorsin, Jennings, taurus, kel-tec(though the pmr-30 has caught my attention, dpms(garbage), bushmaster(garbage), r-guns(garbage), charter arms, .50AE pistols, doubletap pistols, rock river, rock island(the last 2 because the price point has gotten above the value of the gun as they started out as low cost alternatives. The price went up, but quality didn't), and anything less than 9mm for defensive purposes. There are a few more, but I cannot think of them now.

Yes, I am a gun snob. I assure you that I have my reasons though. Since I am an RSO, trainer, and have worked with some local gun shops on the weekends, I have a chance to see how these guns do on a regular. No, I do not have a large bank account, but I do believe in investing in quality guns or anything else for that matter. I strongly believe that when I call upon my gun to do its job, it should do so without fail no matter the situation. I just don't believe on skimping on something that I count on to save my life or the life of someone I love should the need arise.

Nothing wrong with a gun that works for you if that's your choice. I won't try and change anyone's mind as my reasons for not owning certain guns are because of my own personal experiences. If you like a gun that I won't buy, drive on. I'm sure that gun is doing its job for you just fine.
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Old November 11, 2013, 07:58 PM   #1767
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Why all the hate on Ruger? Read this:
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I think a significant issue with many people when it comes to Rugers was Bill Ruger's letter to Congress in 1989:

"The best way to address the firepower concern is therefore not to try to outlaw or license many millions of older and perfectly legitimate firearms (which would be a licensing effort of staggering proportions) but to prohibit the possession of high capacity magazines. By a simple, complete and unequivocal ban on large capacity magazines, all the difficulty of defining 'assault rifle' and 'semi-automatic rifles' is eliminated. The large capacity magazine itself, separate or attached to the firearm, becomes the prohibited item. A single amendment to Federal firearms laws could effectively implement these objectives."

To say he thoroughly ****ed off a huge segment of firearms owners would be putting it mildly. And his influence on SAMMI for this same issue wasn't much appreciated, either.

There are still people today who won't buy a Ruger product because of this. Not even on of their (few) weapons which have large capacity magazines.
Every gun owner should know Ruger's position on magazines.
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Old November 15, 2013, 07:49 AM   #1768
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And every gun owner should also realize that the man who wrote that letter is dead and no longer runs the company, which, if you haven't noticed, is turning out some new, high quality, made in America, and yes, some high capacity firearms.

I'm amazed at the people who hold a grudge against a company as a whole for something one man said nearly three decades ago.
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Old November 15, 2013, 02:44 PM   #1769
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^^^^

It is amazing...but people have long memories. At least, some people do.

Ruger's current leadership doesn't seem to harken to any gun control measures, though I've not found anything online which presents a viewpoint counter to Bill Ruger's.

Be that as it may.


I have a long memory for things, too. Like Toshiba. I could care less what Toshiba sells or how good their electronic products are, it will be a cold day in Hades before I'll ever by anything of theirs. I don't care if they come out with a free laptop that eats data and cr*ps gold.

Why?

Because back in the 80's, Toshiba Machine sold top secret U.S. submarine screw technology to the Soviet Union (submarine sound deadening stealth technology). (A submarine screw is the propeller that drives the ship.)

As a former submariner, I'm not about to forget that. I don't care how much the company has changed since then.


There are many people out there who feel just as strongly about a company which did what Ruger did, and I don't blame them.


Sure, it may be water under the bridge now, what with Bill Ruger being dead and all. But I won't gainsay the feelings and commitment of those who choose never to forget. Maybe having a strong cadre of such folks will serve to keep Ruger in line for the foreseeable future.
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Old November 15, 2013, 04:01 PM   #1770
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I inherited a couple Rohm revolvers, practically couldn't give them away after firing them, worst tolerances, accuracy and finish of any firearm I've ever handled
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Old November 15, 2013, 05:20 PM   #1771
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I've seen many posts re: Hi-Point Autoloaders, some positive, some negative. Has anyone noticed the grip frame profile of some of the latest Walther pistols (and others), that appear much like the lower priced Hi-Point ? Mmmmm, very interesting !
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Old November 15, 2013, 05:53 PM   #1772
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Lorcin, Bryco, Jennings. No thanks. Hi Points I've found to be okay. Ugly and bulky but functional. The gun brand I've had most problems with is Llama. Nice lines on the guns I bought. Looked good. HORRIBLE functioning. Jam after jam after jam. Tried one, thought I had a lemon. Bought a second one a few years later of a different model and caliber, same problems. Llama...Today's Worst Brand..in the Wooorrrlllddd.
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Old November 15, 2013, 10:32 PM   #1773
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Hi point
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Old November 15, 2013, 10:34 PM   #1774
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Taurus revolvers. For me to buy one, it would have to be used, at a cheap price and examined by me first. If I want new, I'd go S&W or Ruger.
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Old November 15, 2013, 10:47 PM   #1775
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I have a Hi-Point 9mm Carbine, that works pretty well, and thinking about getting a .45 pistol (maybe 9mm) to keep if it functions as well . I see good reports for them, and don't be fooled by the price . Ugly - yeah, bulky - sure, but function - bono ! See my above comment re : Walther grip profile . Otherwise, to each his own .
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