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Old December 9, 2013, 12:27 PM   #1
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Calling all gun owning foster/adoptive parents in Nevada

I'm looking for fellow firearm owners that currently are or have been foster and/or adoptive parents to speak out at public workshop regarding firearm regulations you must abide by to be a foster/adoptive parent in Nevada.

The current regulations governing foster/adoptive licenses in Nevada does not prevent firearm ownership, however they do prevent the prevent the use of a firearm for self defense in the home, and place unreasonable requirements on carrying for self defense outside the home.

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NAC 424.600 Weapons and ammunition. (NRS 424.020) Any weapons, such as firearms, air rifles,
bows, hunting knives or hunting sling shots, shall be unstrung and unloaded at all times when children are in the
home. They shall be stored in locked containers or rooms out of the reach of children or made inoperable.
Ammunition and arrows shall be stored in separate locked containers. Weapons shall not be transported in any
vehicle in which children are riding unless the weapons are made inoperable and inaccessible.
[Welfare Div., Req. for Foster Care ß 108.4, 10-7-88, eff. 1-1-89]
The problem with the code as is, the intent is to keep loaded firearms out of the reach of children (that's good) but like everything in government it's not exactly safe or logical in it's current form (that's bad).

The regulation as written does not allow you to keep a loaded firearm for home defense even if it's kept in a bedside gun vault. And while the current regulation as written does not prohibit CCW carry, it does required that every time you get in and out of the car you unload your weapon and make it inoperable. Not very safe or logical to be loading/unloading a firearm every time you get in and out of a vehicle.

Nevada is currently in the process of amending this code for the first time since 1989, and there is a public workshop scheduled for Monday December 16h. This exact NAC regulation is one that will be discussed since they are intending to add an exemption to allow police officers to carry their weapon in the presence of children when on duty.

http://www.dcfs.state.nv.us/DCFS_GoogleCalendar.htm

I'm trying to find any Nevada residents that currently are a foster parent, have been one in the past, or considered being one that would attend the public hearing to speak up about modifying this regulation.

Personally, I'd like to see the regulation written to allow firearms to be locked in a bedside gun vault loaded and add an exception for CCW. (something like firearms must be stored in a locked safe at all time when they are not physically carried on your person)

Most people I know just sign off and "agree" the the NAC and then they store and carry their weapon how they see fit. (a sort of unofficial don't ask, don't tell policy). However, I won't do that. I'm not willing to risk a child being placed in my home, finally having a stable place to live and then being pulled away because someone decides one day they don't like that I carry. It's not fair to that child.

The best outcome is to amend this NAC to something that keeps guns out of the reach of children while still allowing for personal defense use. Some minor common sense changes to the regulation can do that.

The Nevada Firearms Coalition is involved and will be present at the workshop. It's a chance to get on the record about the issue and start a dialogue to affect change.

Anyone that is interested in attending, please send me a PM with your contact or I can send you mine.
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Old December 11, 2013, 11:16 PM   #2
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I commend your efforts (and giving your thread a bump up)

I suppose you've posted this on NV specific gun forums too.... right?

Good luck. You're a good person.
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Old December 11, 2013, 11:43 PM   #3
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Thanks for that! Yes, I have posted it on a few NV gun sites
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Old December 12, 2013, 08:14 PM   #4
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I adopted in 1989 and there were no such issues then. My home visit had the person even see my safe and reloading gear. When did this stuff change?
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Old December 13, 2013, 02:19 AM   #5
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we have nev gun websites?
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Old April 4, 2014, 08:04 PM   #6
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Please sign the petition before April 15th

Can everyone please sign this petition to change the regulation. When you sign it is sent directly to the Deputy Administrator for DCFS. The deadline to submit written comments is April 15th.

https://www.change.org/petitions/hel...ome-and-family

And please share this on facebook, and with your friend and family and ask them to sign too. We need all the help we can get.

Also, if you want to send a letter directly to the department via email or snail mail, here is a sample letter that you can edit as you see fit. The contact info of where to email the letter is at the top

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing

I got the new copy of the proposed regulation today. DCFS has decided they would amend the gun clause. This time instead of prohibiting anyone from carrying a firearm for self defense, they decided to go the route of letting the elite class (police) carry firearms even when off duty, but exclude those of us in the servant class (everyone else).

subsections 2 and 3 are new

Here is the new proposed regulation:

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Sec. 101. NAC 424.600 is hereby amended to read as follows:
424.600
1. Except as otherwise provided in subsection 2, any weapons, such as firearms, air rifles, bows, hunting knives or hunting sling shots, must be unstrung and unloaded at all times when children are in the home. They must be stored in locked containers or rooms out of the reach of children or made inoperable. Ammunition and arrows must be stored in separate locked containers. Weapons must not be transported in any vehicle in which children are riding unless the weapons are made inoperable and inaccessible.

2. The provisions of this section do not apply to a law enforcement officer who maintains a holstered weapon on his or her person if the weapon is maintained as required by subsection 1 whenever the person is not carrying the weapon holstered on his or her person.

3. Firearms which are wholly inoperable and solely ornamental are exempt from the requirements of this section relating to the storage of the weapon
So...according to some un-elected officials at the state, the only persons that have the right to defend their family are police. The rest of us are allowed to beg the bad guys for mercy while we wait for 911 to respond.

They will be holding the final hearing on April 11th to adopt these new regulations. That is pretty much the last opportunity to voice opposition.

DATE:
April 11, 2014

TIME:
8:30 am Ė 11:00 am (or until adjourned)

NORTHERN LOCATION:
CARSON CITY: Nevada Legislative Building ∙ Room 3143
401 S. Carson Street ∙ Carson City, NV 89701

SOUTHERN LOCATION:
LAS VEGAS: Grant Sawyer Building ∙ Room 4412
555 East Washington Avenue ∙ Las Vegas, Nevada

The official notice and proposed regulations below:

Notice of Intent to Act Upon a Regulation.pdf

Public Hearing to Adopt Regulations Agenda.pdf

Proposed Regulations NAC 424 - LCB R110-13.pdf
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Old April 5, 2014, 07:48 AM   #7
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Old April 5, 2014, 08:27 AM   #8
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I asked if they also denied homes with pools, which statistically present more risk of death to a child.


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Old April 5, 2014, 01:53 PM   #9
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I asked if they also denied homes with pools, which statistically present more risk of death to a child.


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I presented detailed statistics from the CDC about the dangers of pools .vs guns (and several other things that aren't banned) at the first public workshop back in December.

Here are some bullet points of what I've presented

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ACCORDING TO CDC
44 million homes with firearms
average of 5 accidental child gun deaths per year
To put in perspective, Thatís a 1 in 10 million chance of accidental child gun death (about the same as being struck by lightning)

BY COMPARISON
10 million homes with pools - 137 confirmed drownings in a year
1 in 73,000 chance of child drowning .vs 1 in 10,000,000 gun deaths
Over 4.5 times as many homes with guns than homes with pools, but itís over 100 times more likely a child will die from pool accident
88% of the time, the child was under supervision at the time they drowned
NAC does not prohibit use of pools, and only requires reasonable safety precautions

POISON
Over 1 million children under age 6 poisoned every year (medications, cleaning products, etc) - approximately 30 die
NAC doesnít force you to stop using medications or cleaning supplies - only requires they are out of reach (reasonable precaution)

FOOTBALL
approximately 1 death for every 330,000 children that play football in school
30 times more likely child would be killed playing football than from an accidental gun death

DOGS
In 2012, 19 children under the age of 10 were killed by dogs
4-5 times more than accidental gun deaths

NAC doesnít prohibit the use of pools, medication, cleaning supplies, school sports, or having a dog, but it does prohibit use of a firearm for self defense even though everything else Iíve mentioned is 100ís of times more likely to cause the death of a child.
Not only does the NAC prohibit carrying a gun for self defense, it requires firearms to be unloaded and locked up at all times, and the ammunition must be stored in a separate locked container at all times.

I don't object to requiring the weapon be kept locked up when not in use, but requiring the ammunition to be locked separately is terrible.

UNLOADED GUN = SAME AS CAR WITH EMPTY GAS TANK

You can't us an unloaded gun for self defense, the same way you can't use a car with an empty gas tank for transportation.
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Old April 5, 2014, 02:05 PM   #10
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Best of luck. One would think that "doing the right thing" would require less hoops to jump through and not stifle the rights.

Off topic, is anyone else getting advertisements that relates to this specific topic? I thought the ads were derived from the browser history and this specific ad is totally unrelated to my browsing history.
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Old April 6, 2014, 02:36 AM   #11
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Thanks to everyone that has already signed the petition. We've already passed 30 signatures in just 24 hours, but we still have a long way to go.


Please get involved. We can't make a difference without a lot of support.

It only takes 1 minute to click the link and sign the petition.

Share it with your friends and family, text them a link and ask them to sign, tweet it, Facebook it.

We've already made a difference by getting the law enforcement exemption added back in December. If we can get enough support I believe we can get a CCW exemption added too.

Remember, If you're not part of the solution then you are part of the problem.


Please sign and share this petition to allow CCW permit holders to be foster homes without forfeiting their right to protect their home and family before the April 15th public comment deadline!

http://www.change.org/petitions/help...ome-and-family
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Old April 6, 2014, 10:00 AM   #12
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Done.

Its amazing that with as many kids that need a good home that they're not looking at this issue more objectively.


As I said in post #2

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Old April 6, 2014, 10:24 AM   #13
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I signed the petition, hope there is more I can do to help
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Old April 6, 2014, 06:08 PM   #14
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Hammer time!....

Id suggest you and/or your group contact Florida's Marion Hammer(or her 2A group in Florida).
She led the push for foster parents & people who wanted to adopt to not be judged or hassled over guns/CCW issues.
Florida passed a few new statues & now guns-CCW is a non issue re; foster children/parenting.

The FL group may give you tips or legal insight for the elected officials/politics.

Hope it helps;
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Old April 6, 2014, 08:33 PM   #15
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As a former NV resident and adoptive parent, done and done WITH an explanantion
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Old April 13, 2014, 04:44 PM   #16
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With only 2 days left before the April 15th public comment deadline, support to change the regulation that keeps law abiding gun owners from providing a home for foster/adoptive children in need continues to grow.

Much to our surprise, Channel 8 sent a news crew to cover our story at the public hearing Friday. Click here for video and the article from Channel 8.
http://www.8newsnow.com/story/252285...oster-families

On April 8th, Michele Fiore spoke about this issue with Eye on Nevada Politics radio as well. The audio from the radio show can be heard at the following link (coverage starts at the 4:48 mark of the audio file).
http://audio.vegasallnetradio.com/EO...2014-04-08.mp3

This is our last chance to make a difference, and tell the Department of Child and Family Services they can no longer deny foster parents the right to protect their home and family.

I ask that everyone who supports lawful gun ownership, and wants to help these children in need find a loving home make one last show of support by re-sharing this petition with your friends, family, facebook, twitter, etc.

http://www.change.org/petitions/help...ome-and-family
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