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Old April 15, 2014, 01:04 PM   #76
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How to ship firearms by UPS

To "dogtown tom"You might want to revisit the UPS web page. They say there that "UPS accepts firearms for transportation "only between licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, and licensed..." collectors. I have experienced this at both UPS and FED EX shipping centers not allowing non-licensees to send firearms to another non-licensee when the recipient is in the same state and CAN receive a firearm legally. The agents there stated that one party (either the sender or the recipient) MUST be a F.F.L. license holder.
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Old April 15, 2014, 01:09 PM   #77
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Shipping a long gun intrastate, then use the USPS
Shipping a handgun intrastate, ship to a FFL

I have used Fedex to intrastate long guns a few times - they had no issue with it
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Old April 15, 2014, 05:07 PM   #78
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craneda1945 To "dogtown tom"You might want to revisit the UPS web page. They say there that "UPS accepts firearms for transportation "only between licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, and licensed..." collectors. I have experienced this at both UPS and FED EX shipping centers not allowing non-licensees to send firearms to another non-licensee when the recipient is in the same state and CAN receive a firearm legally. The agents there stated that one party (either the sender or the recipient) MUST be a F.F.L. license holder.
I would if I could, but the "Edit" feature is no longer available.
See post #68 for my update.
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Old April 19, 2014, 06:04 PM   #79
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Shipping to yourself

Ok I checked ATF and it looks like I can ship a handgun to myself in another state. But checking Fedex and Ups it doesn't seem like i can do that unless it is to a FFL holder.
Any suggestions on who I can ship with? I could take it in my luggage but don't trust TSA.
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Old April 19, 2014, 09:24 PM   #80
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Ok I checked ATF and it looks like I can ship a handgun to myself in another state. But checking Fedex and Ups it doesn't seem like i can do that unless it is to a FFL holder.
Any suggestions on who I can ship with? I could take it in my luggage but don't trust TSA.
Ummmm...... you don't trust TSA? The gun goes in a locked case that only you have the key or combo to and if TSA wants to open the case, you have to be there for it. Once it passes initial TSA screening, which you are usually present for anyway, TSA pretty much is 100% hands off your luggage. Hundreds if not thousands of firearms travel every day in this country in checked baggage, so what is the TSA doing to all those people with those firearms?

You might be able to find a freight shipping company like maybe yellow freight that services both your origin and destination....look up "LTL freight" carriers - LTL meaning less than truckload.
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Old September 18, 2014, 03:21 PM   #81
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I know the law, but carrier policies vary and are varied and complicated. Which carrier can I use to ship some long arms, possibly an SBR or two, and a sub machine gun to Texas (ship to myself in care of my host), return shipment to myself. Pretty sure no handguns.

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Old September 20, 2014, 10:53 PM   #82
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Arizona_Mike I know the law, but carrier policies vary and are varied and complicated. Which carrier can I use to ship some long arms, possibly an SBR or two, and a sub machine gun to Texas (ship to myself in care of my host), return shipment to myself. Pretty sure no handguns.
Neither FedEx or UPS will accept shipments from nonlicensee to nonlicensee (even if addressed to yourself).

USPS will accept shipments of rifles or shotguns shipped by you to yourself in another state. They will not accept SBR's or any firearm capable of being concealed on the body (less than 26"OAL).
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Old November 10, 2014, 10:03 PM   #83
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If I ship a rifle back to the manufacturer for repair, instead of trying to deliver it back to my home (that I'm never home during the weekdays), can I have them deliver it to a UPS/FedEx/USPS main shipping hub and "hold for pickup"? I've done this a bunch of times for ammo, but never a rifle.
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Old November 10, 2014, 11:15 PM   #84
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HammsBeer If I ship a rifle back to the manufacturer for repair, instead of trying to deliver it back to my home (that I'm never home during the weekdays), can I have them deliver it to a UPS/FedEx/USPS main shipping hub and "hold for pickup"? I've done this a bunch of times for ammo, but never a rifle.
Sure.
But understand that some manufacturers refuse to return the repaired firearm directly to the owner, preferring to ship to a licensed dealer.
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Old November 11, 2014, 10:21 AM   #85
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Sure.
But understand that some manufacturers refuse to return the repaired firearm directly to the owner, preferring to ship to a licensed dealer.
I have never heard of a manufacturer doing this. Could you let us know who's requiring shipping back to an FFL?
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Old December 30, 2014, 03:40 PM   #86
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How to ship a handgun????

I bought a handgun in washington state about 6 years ago. When I got a divorce I put the weapon in storage with the rest of my belongings. I now live in Texas, How do I leagally, have my son-in-law ship the the weapon to me in Texas.
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Old December 31, 2014, 07:27 AM   #87
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Boy that's a good question. Both UPS and Fed Ex policy stipulate the either the shipper or receiver must be an FFL. It might be more money, but you could take the firearm to an FFL and have them ship it for you. More money but legal and comports with the shippers policies.

hope this helps you.
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Old December 31, 2014, 02:17 PM   #88
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It would be neat if there was a sticky on shipping firearms.
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Old April 9, 2015, 12:22 PM   #89
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I have problem and am looking for some help.

I'm traveling the U.S. in an RV and am carrying a handgun and about 1500 rounds of ammunition, all stored in various compartments.

My wife wants to go into Canada for a bit, and she wants to return back into the US quite a distance from where we entered, and I know I can't take these items there with us, so the question is what to do.

Can I ship these items to myself at a different address, for instance although I clearly won't be there when the package arrives? Or do I need to arrange for them to be shipped to a gun store somewhere we will be traveling?

Any thoughts would be most appreciated.
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Old April 11, 2015, 11:23 AM   #90
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jquestI have problem and am looking for some help.

I'm traveling the U.S. in an RV and am carrying a handgun and about 1500 rounds of ammunition, all stored in various compartments.

My wife wants to go into Canada for a bit, and she wants to return back into the US quite a distance from where we entered, and I know I can't take these items there with us, so the question is what to do.

Can I ship these items to myself at a different address, for instance although I clearly won't be there when the package arrives? Or do I need to arrange for them to be shipped to a gun store somewhere we will be traveling?

Any thoughts would be most appreciated
The problem is....its a handgun.
You arent a licensed dealer, so you cannot use USPS. Both UPS and FedEx prohibit nonlicensee to nolicensee firearm shipments.....even if to yourself.

If you ship a handgun UPS/FedEx to a dealer he cannot transfer them to you because you are not a resident of that state.

Take a shotgun. Ship it to an address where they will hold it unopened until you arrive.
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Old April 11, 2015, 07:27 PM   #91
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Thanks DT,

I hated that answer, so I went here:

https://www.atf.gov/files/firearms/i...top-10-qas.pdf

The ATF answer is quite different - see the answer # 6 on page 4 of their document.

It looks to me like the ATF says that I can do this, doesn't it?

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Old April 11, 2015, 07:42 PM   #92
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jquest ...The ATF answer is quite different - see the answer # 6 on page 4 of their document.

It looks to me like the ATF says that I can do this, doesn't it?
You need to reread the ATF document and what I wrote. Nothing I wrote contradicts that ATF answer.

It IS perfectly legal for you to ship a firearm interstate addressed to yourself. (if you read the first post in this thread you will read exactly that)

USPS- will accept rifles and shotguns from ANYONE. Handguns and other firearms like frames, receivers, AR lowers are not mailable unless you are a licensed dealer or manufacturer. Mail anything other than a rifle or shotgun via USPS and you violate Federal law.

While it is not a violation of Federal law to ship a handgun via UPS/FedEx addressed to yourself in another state.....you must notify the carrier that you are shipping interstate to a nonlicensee. Failure to notify in writing is a violation of Federal law.

Further, neither UPS or FedEx tariffs (shipping policies) permit nonlicensee to nonlicensee shipments. if you do so in violation of their tariffs you will have no recourse in the event of loss, damage or theft.
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Old June 16, 2015, 03:24 PM   #93
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I recently used the new shipping service of Bud's Gunshop and it cost $39 plus $1/$100 for optional insurance to ship a handgun. Long guns are $29 plus insurance. Sure beats the $85 I spent a couple of years ago to ship a handgun.

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Old October 5, 2015, 09:15 PM   #94
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Since the last post here was June 16, 2015, and we're now in October, I'll post.

In November, I'm moving from Oregon (where I've been for a few months on business) to Florida (before going back to Maine next summer). I'll be flying from Oregon to Florida, and shipping some small items from here via UPS. (Most of my belongings are already on the east coast.)

I'm trying to arrange to ship two rifles -- Marlin 336 and Remington 597 -- and already encountering the expected resistance. I'm shipping them to myself at my new address. There are no sales involved.

So I just want to double check that nothing has changed policy-wise since June.

The shipper who will ship most of my stuff via UPS says rifles have to go through an FFL, but that handguns can ship without FFL involvement. I think he's got that backwards, but the handgun is moot. I'll pack it in a locked box without ammo and take it in checked baggage.

At the post office, three counter people had a 3 minute powwow amongst themselves, whispering, walking to the file cabinet and pulling something out, all the while glancing nervously in my direction. (I'm clean, older, not threatening looking, very cordial, dressed nicely.)

The verdict: rifles must go from an FFL to an FFL.

I stated that their online policy says otherwise.

His response, "Sorry. My two colleagues are very experienced. They know all the policies about this, having dealt with this for years."

So, I came back to the office and printed out all pages on this URL.

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432.3 Rifles and Shotguns

Except under 431.2 [which specifies barrel lengths must be over 16"], unloaded rifles and shotguns are mailable. Mailers must comply with the rules and regulations under 27 CFR, Part 478, as well as state and local laws. The mailer may be required by the USPS to establish, by opening the parcel or by written certification, that the rifle or shotgun is unloaded and not ineligible for mailing. The following conditions also apply:
Subject to state, territory, or district regulations, rifles and shotguns may be mailed without restriction when sent within the same state of mailing. These items must:
* Bear a “Return Service Requested” endorsement.
* Be sent by Priority Mail Express (“signature required” must be used at delivery) or Registered Mail.
* Include either insured mail service (for more than $200) requiring a signature at delivery or Signature Confirmation service.
* A shotgun or rifle owned by a non-FFL may be mailed outside the owner's state of residence by the owner to himself or herself, in care of another person in the other state where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity.

These mailpieces must:
*Be addressed to the owner.
* Include the “in the care of” endorsement immediately preceding the name of the applicable temporary custodian.
* Be opened by the rifle or shotgun owner only.
* Be mailed using services described in 432.3a.
I'm going back to the PO for more discussions tomorrow. I'll keep you posted.
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Old October 7, 2015, 06:08 PM   #95
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yep, they got it backwards.

but really, what did you expect?
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Old October 7, 2015, 08:27 PM   #96
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^ hahaha ... from the post office? In this town -- quite on the left side of the spectrum -- not much. But I had to ask.

But from the shipper, who got it backwards (rifles v handguns), I expected more, since he often ships guns (but not via USPS). He was going to look into it and call me the next day. That was Monday. I've still heard nothing from him. Hmmm.

I called my gun shop, told them about this whole thing.

"Which post office did you go to?"

I told him.

"No, go to {this one} on the other side of the river {different town}. They know the policy. We work with them all the time. No hassles."

Easy solution.
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Old November 5, 2015, 03:25 PM   #97
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Tcoz, thanks for mentioning shipmygun that's a pretty cool service.
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Old January 5, 2016, 02:29 PM   #98
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Great informative thread. Thank you!

I wish to ship my handgun to a FFL to be expertly refinished plus new sights installed.
FedEx advises they need to "see any unpacked items" before they will insure it for more than $1000.
There is no open carry in my state nor do I possess CCW credentials.
Either way...I am not interested in exposing a firearm in a downtown public area!

They gave me this same excuse when I brought a well-packed expensive wristwatch to ship, too. I was in a rush and unwilling to disassemble my very careful packing job. In that instance, I just crossed my fingers and hoped for good luck since the watch was WAY more than $1000 in value. One would figure I should be able to insure a box of sand for $5000 if I was willing to pay the cost, right?

Any ideas how additional insurance can be obtained without some 17 y.o. high school student handling my semi-automatic firearm in public? Should I take it (wrapped) to a FFL and pay them to ship it?
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Old January 5, 2016, 04:47 PM   #99
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Check out shipmygun.com which is a service offered by Bud's Gunshop
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Old January 5, 2016, 05:15 PM   #100
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^^^

Looks like that SMG company uses UPS rather than FedEx as their carrier.
I have more confidence in the FedEx tracking system...all things being equal.

The wristwatch company described a few posts above feels the same way.
Shipments typically arrive faster, more accurately, and with less loss via FedEx.

Any ideas how to increase the amount of FedEx insurance without marching into the store with an unpackaged firearm in an open box?
I do not wish to have to "prove" what I am shipping to some blabbermouth teenager behind the counter who would have my name, address, phone, and know I have guns.
Again, we don't have open carry in my state and I do not possess CCW credentials.

THANKS!
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