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Old April 21, 2014, 12:58 PM   #51
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As a society we are responsible for keeping guns out of the hands of criminals ...
which is why we have laws that specify which criminal acts cause one to lose their gun rights. If you mean incrementally giving up our rights via a series of erosions that do nothing to address the problem being named as "responsible" than you will find opposition here.
First post...I smell troll.
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Old April 21, 2014, 01:11 PM   #52
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As a society we are responsible for keeping guns out of the hands of criminals ...
That is why I will not sell to a known criminal. I 594 does nothing to meet your statement. It is gun registration period.
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Old April 21, 2014, 04:16 PM   #53
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That's starting early.

Good luck with this fight.
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Old April 21, 2014, 04:17 PM   #54
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Got my first pro 594 phone call Friday, started out telling me why I should support it, predictably he left a lot out. In the end he asked if I would support them. When I said no he asked why ? When I started to explain it to him he just hung up. It has started, and vote is not till November !
Forgot to include the quote with my reply, oops.

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Old April 21, 2014, 04:23 PM   #55
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As a society we are responsible for keeping guns out of the hands of criminals ...
Right, but the trick is to not just create more criminals out of people who are doing nothing but obeying the law and enjoying their freedoms. Registration schemes have the potential for that.

I've started huge debates elsewhere regarding registration, that ended up full of scathing accusations and rhetoric ...so all I'll say here is - if you don't want it, defend your position and take action.

Every American can work to make this country whatever they want it to be.
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Old April 21, 2014, 06:16 PM   #56
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As a society we are responsible for keeping guns out of the hands of criminals ...
That's all fine and good, problem is, with the lone exception of the Sandy Hook nutcase, those crazies all passed the background check when they bought their guns. Sandy Hook didn't feel like waiting so he killed his mom first, then took her guns.

All the background checks in the world aren't worth a thing if mentally unstable individuals aren't known to the system. And it's almost a sure bet if an effort is made to enroll more of them earlier, the ACLU will be up in arms.

And criminals, what to do with those pesky persons, they don't even know what a background check is, no more so than bank robbers know what a withdrawal slip is.

In summary, this initiative will do nothing to keep guns out of the hands of crazies or criminals.
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Old April 21, 2014, 07:03 PM   #57
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As a society we are responsible for keeping guns out of the hands of criminals
I mostly agree with this. But I think you could change this to read:

"We are responsible for keeping criminals out of society"

What I mean by that is, if you have a person who is so dangerous that you cannot trust them with a weapon, then why are we letting them out of jail and back into society?

Some folks have such a high probability of becoming a "repeat offender" that it just boggles my mind they get let out at all.

I also don't see how this law would be effective at all in stopping crime. Bad guys will continue to obtain their weapons by either theft or the black market. The is no way that they're going to do a background check. And on those rare times when a criminal is dumb enough to try a background check, and fail it, they are almost never prosecuted.

I think this law, if passed, will only do two things:

#1: Create a registry of all gun owners (to be used for later confinscation I'm sure)

#2: Raise alot of revenue for the goverment (what is the background check fee these days? $10?)
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Old April 21, 2014, 08:26 PM   #58
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I'm sure some of Bloomberg's $50M will find it's way here, watch their new language, now they talk about "illegal" guns. They will try to tie this to "illegal" guns, you know, not "legal" guns. I guess they don't want to offend "legal" gun owners. Too bad we're just collateral damage on hizzoner's highway to heaven.
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Old April 21, 2014, 08:53 PM   #59
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I'm sure some of Bloomberg's $50M will find it's way here
He has already given them 30,000. to get started.
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Old April 21, 2014, 09:53 PM   #60
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As a society we are responsible for keeping guns out of the hands of criminals ...
The burden of proof is on the ones proposing the new laws to explain exactly how those new laws would do this.

As of currently, I have yet to see a cogent explanation of that.
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Old May 13, 2014, 01:02 PM   #61
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Just keeping it on your Minds.
" virtually every firearm transfer - with very few and limited exceptions - would be required to go through a licensed firearms dealer under the provisions of I-594. I-594 will specifically regulate transfers, not sales. Under the language of I-594, in virtually all cases, a person merely handing his or her firearm to a family member or a friend cannot do so without brokering the transfer through a gun dealer with the accompanying paperwork, fees, and in the case of handguns, state registration. I-594 also doubles the state waiting period on handgun sales from five to ten days and extends it to every private transfer of any handgun!
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Old May 31, 2014, 12:33 PM   #62
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Another I 594 Kick Off
"Seattle Gun Rights Examiner Dave Workman asks in his article on May 15 Just How Many Kick-off’s does a gun control group need? – citing several kick-off’s thrown by the anti-gun Seattle liberal elitists and I-594 promoters populating “Washington Alliance for Gun Responsibility” over the last year or so."
https://washingtonarmscollectors.org...ol-group-need/
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Old July 4, 2014, 02:49 PM   #63
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The Washington Council of Police and Sheriffs (WACOPS), the state’s largest and oldest law enforcement group representing more than 4,500 active duty police officers and sheriff's deputies, dealt a serious blow to Evergreen State gun prohibitionists this morning, confirming to Examiner via telephone that it will oppose Initiative 594 and support Initiative 591, making it the second statewide law enforcement group to take that position.
http://www.examiner.com/article/excl...ive-back-i-591
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Old July 7, 2014, 02:51 PM   #64
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I love it !!!

WHat can we do to get the word out more about 591 YES/594 NO ?
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Old July 15, 2014, 05:52 PM   #65
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Poll shows I594 in the lead, likely to pass. hard to overcome the big money behind it.
http://www.thenewstribune.com/2014/0.../99/289/&ihp=1
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Old July 15, 2014, 06:02 PM   #66
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we need to spread the word

Tell me how I can help....thanks
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Old July 15, 2014, 08:51 PM   #67
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You can tell all you know what is bad about I594 and good about I 591 + donate here. http://wagunrights.org/
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Old July 15, 2014, 09:14 PM   #68
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Tell has many fence-sitters as you can to vote no on 594. Yeah, a vote for 591 would be great, but at this point its probably easier to just get them to vote no on 594.

If this passes, it'll be an all-time low for WA...if it weren't for the climbing opportunities on Mt. Rainier and programming jobs in the Puget Sound area, I would move. The rest of the state is in good-shape, I will stay and fight for my rights!
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Old July 18, 2014, 05:03 PM   #69
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Someone please help me - how do you explain to the average person who is not a gun owner/shooter/enthusiast that prop 594 is a bad idea? You know someone who doesn't care about guns is not going to read the 18+ pages of the actual proposition text.
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This measure would apply currently used criminal and public safety background checks by licensed dealers to all firearm sales and transfers, including gun show and online sales, with specific exceptions.
Should this measure be enacted into law? Yes [ ] No [ ]
How do you get someone to not say, "Sounds like a good idea, why not?" Yes [x] CHECK!
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Old July 18, 2014, 06:24 PM   #70
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You might listen to this for a few ideas.
http://kiroradio.com/listen/9974473/#
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