Saddam bribed Chirac..

Kestryll · January 28, 2004, 04:38 PM

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-break...4014-7323r.htm

"BAGHDAD, Iraq, Jan. 28 (UPI) -- Documents from Saddam Hussein's oil ministry reveal he used oil to bribe top French officials into opposing the imminent U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.

The oil ministry papers, described by the independent Baghdad newspaper al-Mada, are apparently authentic and will become the basis of an official investigation by the new Iraqi Governing Council,......"

Anyone surpised by this?

fish2xs · January 28, 2004, 04:44 PM

I am just suprised that it took this long for the info to get published

Drjones · January 28, 2004, 04:44 PM

Is anybody truly surprised if this turns out to be 100% true?

And from the leftist Wash. Times no less...

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-break...4014-7323r.htm

Iraqi govt. papers: Saddam bribed Chirac

BAGHDAD, Iraq, Jan. 28 (UPI) -- Documents from Saddam Hussein's oil ministry reveal he used oil to bribe top French officials into opposing the imminent U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.

The oil ministry papers, described by the independent Baghdad newspaper al-Mada, are apparently authentic and will become the basis of an official investigation by the new Iraqi Governing Council, the Independent reported Wednesday.

"I think the list is true," Naseer Chaderji, a governing council member, said. "I will demand an investigation. These people must be prosecuted."

Such evidence would undermine the French position before the war when President Jacques Chirac sought to couch his opposition to the invasion on a moral high ground.

A senior Bush administration official said Washington was aware of the reports but refused further comment.

French diplomats have dismissed any suggestion their foreign policy was influenced by payments from Saddam, but some European diplomats have long suspected France's steadfast opposition to the war was less moral than monetary.

"Oil runs thicker than blood," is how one former ambassador put his suspicions about the French motives for opposing action against Saddam.

Al-Mada's list cites a total of 46 individuals, companies and organizations inside and outside Iraq as receiving Saddam's oil bribes, including officials in Egypt, Jordan, Syria, the United Arab Emirates, Turkey, Sudan, China, Austria and France, as well as the Russian Orthodox Church, the Russian Communist Party, India's Congress Party and the Palestine Liberation Organization.

Jonesy9 · January 28, 2004, 04:50 PM

leftist? I think you meant the Post. the times is Reverend Moon's of the Moonies cult newspaper and is solidly slanted right.

mcole · January 28, 2004, 04:52 PM

see below. mcole

Dave R · January 28, 2004, 04:57 PM

I am extermely gratified that this info is coming to light. The current worldwide political standard seems to be "do whatever you can get away with". I hope this will let some politicians know "you can't get away with this".

OTOH, once the info is out, it is meaningless unless somebody gets punished or some behavior somewhere is otherwise modified.

**4v50 Gary** · January 28, 2004, 05:09 PM

Ahhh. The French. They do have their price. I wonder how much Al Qaeda paid them?

Thumper · January 28, 2004, 05:17 PM

They're already turning on each other like cornered rats (sorry Oleg):

Quote:

Former French Interior Minister Charles Pasqua has denied claims that he received gifts from Saddam Hussein in return for supporting his regime.

Mr Pasqua rubbished recent reports in Iraqi newspaper al-Mada, saying he had "never received anything from Saddam Hussein, neither petrol nor money".The paper printed a list of foreigners who, it says, received oil coupons for backing an end to sanctions.

Mr Pasqua denies claims he was given 12 million barrels of crude oil.

He told French television: "I have never received any gifts from the Iraqi government and I am not in the habit of making my decisions on the basis of any remuneration I might receive.

"That is not part of my ethics or my conception of things."
Mr Pasqua denied knowing that any such transactions were taking place in the 1990s but he said it did not surprise him. This from a French Interior Minister.

"Former Interior Minister Charles Pasqua is not involved, but maybe other former ministers are involved," he said.

Anybody wonder how many times Scott Ritter's name is on that list?

Waitone · January 28, 2004, 05:51 PM

Word is out now that a list of bribed journalists exists.

I hope all the lists are published.

moa · January 28, 2004, 05:51 PM

I read the Washington Times every day, and the Washington Post about five days a week for a long time for both.

The Times is very much to the right and is pro-RKBA as far as I can tell. I find very little "moony" inference, next to none.

The Post is rabidly anti-gun owner and is quite to the left. Totally untrustworthy source of the news.

The Post does have better overall coverage in major stories than the Times has in general. But it is often slanted left.

And the Times prints stuff you will never see in the Post.

The Rev. Moon has been publishing the Times for years, and it is a financial failure. I think it has cost Moon over $100 million to publish the Times. It is a great counter weight to the left-wing Post, which was the only major newspaper published in Washington prior to the Times coming out.

The Times has a far superior Op/Ed page and Commentary sections than the Post. It has a very wide range of contributors of articles.

Drjones · January 28, 2004, 05:55 PM

Well....I could have gotten the two papers mixed up, yaknow....

Anyhow, the story still stands.

Langenator · January 28, 2004, 06:08 PM

I was in DC on one of those high-school "See Government in Action" trips in Feb 1991. The Gulf War ended on the day we left to go back home.

The Post headline: "It's Over!"

The Times headline: "We Win!"

That told me everything I needed to know about the editorial tilt of the two papers.

BryanP · January 28, 2004, 06:11 PM

Very interesting, but doesn't this belong in Legal and Political?

Thumper · January 28, 2004, 06:13 PM

It already is...just no moderator merge yet.

El Tejon · January 28, 2004, 10:18 PM

And you heard this before the restart of the war in Iraq right here at THR!!!

[might as well blow our own horn

]

El Tejon · January 28, 2004, 10:19 PM

And THR told you back before the restart of the war in Iraq.

SodaPop · January 29, 2004, 12:58 AM

My Intelligence network told me that before we went to war.

7.62FullMetalJacket · January 29, 2004, 02:03 AM

I am shocked, I tell you.

I forgot about Scott Ritter. I am sure Saddam's habibi is listed somewhere. What about McDermott and Penn?

I betcha Russia and Germany are in there too.

White House refuses to comment

JitsuGuy · January 29, 2004, 02:31 AM

I wonder what we bribed ol' Blair with to support us?

nycmatt49 · January 29, 2004, 02:39 AM

blair is for freedom, you communist dik. so we didn't have to bribe him for anything. the post is WAY left, the times is just pretty left. both are some tree hugging papers for sure

JitsuGuy · January 29, 2004, 02:43 AM

LOL at calling me a communist, and that's okay, cause just as I have the freedom to have my own opinions, I also have the freedom to not give a @#%! what you think.

J

Leatherneck · January 29, 2004, 09:36 AM

nycmat and jitsuguy, why don't you guys take your piddling contest outside?

TC
TFL Survivor

**Art Eatman** · January 29, 2004, 09:40 AM

One more personal piddle and Art's Grammaw will take this toy away.

Art

OF · January 29, 2004, 10:05 AM

Quote:

nycmat and jitsuguy, why don't you guys take your piddling contest outside?

I second that.

- Gabe

ojibweindian · January 29, 2004, 11:52 AM

I kind of expected the French, et al, to sell us out. I expect that there will be more damning news to follow.

January 28, 2004, 04:38 PM	#1
Kestryll member Join Date: December 27, 2002 Location: People's Republik of Kalifornia Posts: 326	Saddam bribed Chirac.. http://washingtontimes.com/upi-break...4014-7323r.htm "BAGHDAD, Iraq, Jan. 28 (UPI) -- Documents from Saddam Hussein's oil ministry reveal he used oil to bribe top French officials into opposing the imminent U.S.-led invasion of Iraq. The oil ministry papers, described by the independent Baghdad newspaper al-Mada, are apparently authentic and will become the basis of an official investigation by the new Iraqi Governing Council,......" Anyone surpised by this?

January 28, 2004, 04:44 PM	#2
fish2xs Member Join Date: February 27, 2003 Location: Peoples Republic of Massachusetts Posts: 300	Mais NON! I am just suprised that it took this long for the info to get published __________________ Think globally, shoot locally. What is my rant today? See http://tuffbeingright.blogspot.com

January 28, 2004, 04:44 PM	#3
Drjones member Join Date: December 25, 2002 Posts: 2,807	Iraqi govt. papers: Saddam bribed Chirac Is anybody truly surprised if this turns out to be 100% true? And from the leftist Wash. Times no less... http://washingtontimes.com/upi-break...4014-7323r.htm Iraqi govt. papers: Saddam bribed Chirac BAGHDAD, Iraq, Jan. 28 (UPI) -- Documents from Saddam Hussein's oil ministry reveal he used oil to bribe top French officials into opposing the imminent U.S.-led invasion of Iraq. The oil ministry papers, described by the independent Baghdad newspaper al-Mada, are apparently authentic and will become the basis of an official investigation by the new Iraqi Governing Council, the Independent reported Wednesday. "I think the list is true," Naseer Chaderji, a governing council member, said. "I will demand an investigation. These people must be prosecuted." Such evidence would undermine the French position before the war when President Jacques Chirac sought to couch his opposition to the invasion on a moral high ground. A senior Bush administration official said Washington was aware of the reports but refused further comment. French diplomats have dismissed any suggestion their foreign policy was influenced by payments from Saddam, but some European diplomats have long suspected France's steadfast opposition to the war was less moral than monetary. "Oil runs thicker than blood," is how one former ambassador put his suspicions about the French motives for opposing action against Saddam. Al-Mada's list cites a total of 46 individuals, companies and organizations inside and outside Iraq as receiving Saddam's oil bribes, including officials in Egypt, Jordan, Syria, the United Arab Emirates, Turkey, Sudan, China, Austria and France, as well as the Russian Orthodox Church, the Russian Communist Party, India's Congress Party and the Palestine Liberation Organization.

January 28, 2004, 04:52 PM	#5
mcole Member Join Date: December 27, 2002 Posts: 92	see below. mcole __________________ "I would rather have a German division in front of me than have a French division behind me." George S. Patton

January 28, 2004, 04:57 PM	#6
Dave R Member Join Date: December 26, 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 3,628	I am extermely gratified that this info is coming to light. The current worldwide political standard seems to be "do whatever you can get away with". I hope this will let some politicians know "you can't get away with this". OTOH, once the info is out, it is meaningless unless somebody gets punished or some behavior somewhere is otherwise modified. __________________ I am pro-rights (on gun issues).

January 28, 2004, 04:50 PM	#4
Jonesy9 member Join Date: October 23, 2003 Location: MA Posts: 405	leftist? I think you meant the Post. the times is Reverend Moon's of the Moonies cult newspaper and is solidly slanted right.

January 28, 2004, 05:09 PM	#7
4v50 Gary Moderator Join Date: December 20, 2002 Posts: 11,971	Ahhh. The French. They do have their price. I wonder how much Al Qaeda paid them? __________________ TFL Aluminium. Molon Labe!

January 28, 2004, 05:51 PM	#9
Waitone Member Join Date: December 25, 2002 Location: The Land of Broccoli and Fingernails Posts: 5,411	Word is out now that a list of bribed journalists exists. I hope all the lists are published. __________________ "As riches increase and accumulate in few hands, as luxury prevails in society, virtue will be in a greater degree considered as only a graceful appendage of wealth, and the tendency of things will be to depart from the republican standard. This is the real disposition of human nature; it is what neither the honorable member nor myself can correct. It is a common misfortunate that awaits our State constitution, as well as all others." Alexander Hamilton (speech to the New York Ratifying Convention, June 1788)

January 28, 2004, 05:51 PM	#10
moa Member Join Date: December 30, 2002 Posts: 1,156	I read the Washington Times every day, and the Washington Post about five days a week for a long time for both. The Times is very much to the right and is pro-RKBA as far as I can tell. I find very little "moony" inference, next to none. The Post is rabidly anti-gun owner and is quite to the left. Totally untrustworthy source of the news. The Post does have better overall coverage in major stories than the Times has in general. But it is often slanted left. And the Times prints stuff you will never see in the Post. The Rev. Moon has been publishing the Times for years, and it is a financial failure. I think it has cost Moon over $100 million to publish the Times. It is a great counter weight to the left-wing Post, which was the only major newspaper published in Washington prior to the Times coming out. The Times has a far superior Op/Ed page and Commentary sections than the Post. It has a very wide range of contributors of articles.

January 28, 2004, 05:55 PM	#11
Drjones member Join Date: December 25, 2002 Posts: 2,807	Well....I could have gotten the two papers mixed up, yaknow.... Anyhow, the story still stands.

January 28, 2004, 06:08 PM	#12
Langenator Member Join Date: July 30, 2003 Location: Ft Belvoir, VA Posts: 2,683	I was in DC on one of those high-school "See Government in Action" trips in Feb 1991. The Gulf War ended on the day we left to go back home. The Post headline: "It's Over!" The Times headline: "We Win!" That told me everything I needed to know about the editorial tilt of the two papers. __________________ World domination has encountered a momentary setback. Talk amongst yourselves. Heartless Libertarian

January 28, 2004, 06:11 PM	#13
BryanP Member Join Date: May 25, 2003 Location: Lavergne, TN Posts: 2,422	Very interesting, but doesn't this belong in Legal and Political? __________________ Don't try to think too much. It frightens the anthropoids.

January 28, 2004, 06:13 PM	#14
Thumper Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Location: Spring, Texas Posts: 2,852	It already is...just no moderator merge yet. __________________ Ronnie

January 28, 2004, 10:18 PM	#15
El Tejon Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Location: Lafayette, Indiana--meanwhile, back in the Wabash Valley . . . zzzzz. Posts: 17,898	And you heard this before the restart of the war in Iraq right here at THR!!! [might as well blow our own horn] __________________ I [heart] Wal-Mart threads.

January 28, 2004, 10:19 PM	#16
El Tejon Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Location: Lafayette, Indiana--meanwhile, back in the Wabash Valley . . . zzzzz. Posts: 17,898	And THR told you back before the restart of the war in Iraq. __________________ I [heart] Wal-Mart threads.

January 29, 2004, 12:58 AM	#17
SodaPop member Join Date: December 22, 2002 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,430	My Intelligence network told me that before we went to war.

January 29, 2004, 02:03 AM	#18
7.62FullMetalJacket Member Join Date: September 9, 2003 Location: Cedar City, Utah Posts: 2,998	I am shocked, I tell you. I forgot about Scott Ritter. I am sure Saddam's habibi is listed somewhere. What about McDermott and Penn? I betcha Russia and Germany are in there too. White House refuses to comment __________________ Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. --Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774-1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764

January 29, 2004, 02:31 AM	#19
JitsuGuy Member Join Date: April 21, 2003 Posts: 223	I wonder what we bribed ol' Blair with to support us? __________________ Hitler, Stalin & Mao Agree! Gun Control Works!

January 29, 2004, 02:39 AM	#20
nycmatt49 Member Join Date: September 17, 2003 Posts: 11	blair is for freedom, you communist dik. so we didn't have to bribe him for anything. the post is WAY left, the times is just pretty left. both are some tree hugging papers for sure

January 29, 2004, 02:43 AM	#21
JitsuGuy Member Join Date: April 21, 2003 Posts: 223	LOL at calling me a communist, and that's okay, cause just as I have the freedom to have my own opinions, I also have the freedom to not give a @#%! what you think. J __________________ Hitler, Stalin & Mao Agree! Gun Control Works!

January 29, 2004, 09:36 AM	#22
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January 29, 2004, 09:40 AM	#23
Art Eatman Administrator Join Date: December 22, 2002 Location: Terlingua, Texas Posts: 24,102	One more personal piddle and Art's Grammaw will take this toy away. Art

January 29, 2004, 11:52 AM	#25
ojibweindian Member Join Date: December 27, 2002 Location: Union Grove, Alabama Posts: 2,172	I kind of expected the French, et al, to sell us out. I expect that there will be more damning news to follow. __________________ placidity is tacit acceptance of tyranny

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