Kel-Tec SU-16 exploded diagram

BamBam · January 29, 2003, 12:27 AM

Fresh info from Kel-Tec.
I hope this wasn't posted already:

http://www.kel-tec.com/pr04.htm

http://www.kel-tec.com/SU-16explodedview.htm

Badger Arms · January 29, 2003, 12:29 AM

looked at that yesterday. It looks like it does have a bolt hold-open, but it's not the kid that has an external release. Could be wrong about that, though.

Gewehr98 · January 29, 2003, 12:53 AM

Could be swapped out for something less Kaybee-Toys, at least.

agony · January 29, 2003, 12:55 AM

I like the orange sight base....gives it that "Nah, that's only an Airsoft" look. Surprise!!!!

Gewehr98 · January 29, 2003, 01:06 AM

Paint the entire front end orange and be done with it.

Dave R · January 29, 2003, 01:13 AM

Ahhhh. Nice to see an operating rod, rather than direct gas impingement. Should be easier to clean, and should stay cleaner through more rounds.

boing · January 29, 2003, 03:02 AM

Oh. I thought it was a kaboom thread.

PATH · January 29, 2003, 08:24 PM

Gee Whiz! Another firearm I must save up to buy. That is sweet looking. What is the pricing on this?

BamBam · January 29, 2003, 08:28 PM

Suggested retail price is $640. I'd guess that it'll go for under $500 after the initial hooplah dies down........just a guess.

JohnKSa · January 29, 2003, 11:51 PM

The bolt looks like pure AR, the bolt carrier like a modified AK bolt carrier.

Guesses at parts that might interchange with AR-15...

Bolt
Extractor
Cam Pin
Firing Pin
Mag catch
Ejector & Spring

What I'm also thinking is that a gunsmith might be able to fit an AR barrel on this gun without too much trouble...

Navy joe · January 30, 2003, 02:28 AM

I already had my dealer call their distributor to find out exactly when, guess I'll be in on the initial hoopla. Might buy two if I like the one. Thing has serious potential.

Correia · January 30, 2003, 10:32 AM

John, actually it looks to be a pretty straight forward adaptation of the AR18 gas system.

JohnKSa · January 30, 2003, 10:42 PM

Quote:

John, actually it looks to be a pretty straight forward adaptation of the AR18 gas system.

That may be true, but since I know exactly zip about the AR18, I couldn't comment! LOL!

SIGarmed · January 31, 2003, 12:24 AM

I got a question. How will a plastic sight rail effect the accuracy if you use a scope? It has a plastic reciever. I'm thinking at first that it won't be that big if a deal, but if you were to use an ARMS or GG&G quick release with an Aimpoint it might mess the plastic up over time.

Any thoughts on the plastic?

Badger Arms · January 31, 2003, 12:55 AM

Quote:

John, actually it looks to be a pretty straight forward adaptation of the AR18 gas system.

Absolutely not. It has more in common with the AK-47 than the AR-18. The Armalite design has a separate floating piston or cylinder up front with a thin, lightweight operating rod. The reason they can do this is because any 'whip' in the rod will not be transmitted to the piston, cylinder, or bolt carrier. The AK-47 is merely a piston head loosely pinned to the bolt carrier yet still allowed to whip in the cylinder. The disadvantage to this system is that the rod connecting the two has to be very stiff and therefore heavy. The piston on the AR-18 is a separate piece with its own spring, on this gun it has no return spring. I'll email anybody that cares to read it the full patent.

JohnKSa · January 31, 2003, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Any thoughts on the plastic?

It's been done before. It depends on the type of plastic and the engineering.

**4v50 Gary** · February 1, 2003, 12:27 AM

Thank you Bam Bam for the link. I could spend hours looking at these parts drawings and figuring out how dey do dat. (the drawing, not the gun

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January 29, 2003, 12:27 AM	#1
BamBam Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 397	Kel-Tec SU-16 exploded diagram Fresh info from Kel-Tec. I hope this wasn't posted already: http://www.kel-tec.com/pr04.htm http://www.kel-tec.com/SU-16explodedview.htm

January 29, 2003, 12:29 AM	#2
Badger Arms Member Join Date: January 1, 2003 Location: Harnett County, NC Posts: 3,668	looked at that yesterday. It looks like it does have a bolt hold-open, but it's not the kid that has an external release. Could be wrong about that, though. __________________ We may or may not worship God, but John Moses Browning made sure we can choose.

January 29, 2003, 12:53 AM	#3
Gewehr98 Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Posts: 5,988	Looks like that orange front sight base... Could be swapped out for something less Kaybee-Toys, at least. __________________ "Bother", said Pooh, as he chambered another round... Neural Misfires

January 29, 2003, 12:55 AM	#4
agony Member Join Date: December 25, 2002 Location: WV Posts: 534	I like the orange sight base....gives it that "Nah, that's only an Airsoft" look. Surprise!!!! __________________ "You have the right, not to be killed..." The Clash, Know Your Rights

January 29, 2003, 01:06 AM	#5
Gewehr98 Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Posts: 5,988	I thought the same thing. Paint the entire front end orange and be done with it. __________________ "Bother", said Pooh, as he chambered another round... Neural Misfires Last edited by Gewehr98; January 29, 2003 at 01:32 AM.

January 29, 2003, 01:13 AM	#6
Dave R Member Join Date: December 26, 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 3,628	Ahhhh. Nice to see an operating rod, rather than direct gas impingement. Should be easier to clean, and should stay cleaner through more rounds. __________________ I am pro-rights (on gun issues).

January 29, 2003, 03:02 AM	#7
boing Member Join Date: December 22, 2002 Location: WNC Posts: 957	Oh. I thought it was a kaboom thread.

January 29, 2003, 08:24 PM	#8
PATH Member Join Date: December 25, 2002 Location: Rockland, New York Posts: 2,832	Gee Whiz! Another firearm I must save up to buy. That is sweet looking. What is the pricing on this? __________________ Proud TFL Alumnus #2290 Molon Labe http://www.monroechestersportsmen.org http://dwp.bigplanet.com/blackrock/door/ http://www.ramapoughsportsmen.com http://www.wrgc.lausco.com Airplane Pictures

January 29, 2003, 08:28 PM	#9
BamBam Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 397	Suggested retail price is $640. I'd guess that it'll go for under $500 after the initial hooplah dies down........just a guess.

January 29, 2003, 11:51 PM	#10
JohnKSa Member Join Date: January 1, 2003 Location: DFW Area Posts: 7,997	The bolt looks like pure AR, the bolt carrier like a modified AK bolt carrier. Guesses at parts that might interchange with AR-15... Bolt Extractor Cam Pin Firing Pin Mag catch Ejector & Spring What I'm also thinking is that a gunsmith might be able to fit an AR barrel on this gun without too much trouble...

January 30, 2003, 02:28 AM	#11
Navy joe Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Location: VA Posts: 2,363	I already had my dealer call their distributor to find out exactly when, guess I'll be in on the initial hoopla. Might buy two if I like the one. Thing has serious potential. __________________ FY47012 , Shut up and shoot. USPSA, NRA, VCDL

January 30, 2003, 10:32 AM	#12
Correia Moderator Emeritus Join Date: December 20, 2002 Location: SLC Posts: 10,364	John, actually it looks to be a pretty straight forward adaptation of the AR18 gas system.

January 31, 2003, 12:24 AM	#14
SIGarmed Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Posts: 619	I got a question. How will a plastic sight rail effect the accuracy if you use a scope? It has a plastic reciever. I'm thinking at first that it won't be that big if a deal, but if you were to use an ARMS or GG&G quick release with an Aimpoint it might mess the plastic up over time. Any thoughts on the plastic?

February 1, 2003, 12:27 AM	#17
4v50 Gary Moderator Join Date: December 20, 2002 Posts: 11,971	Thank you Bam Bam for the link. I could spend hours looking at these parts drawings and figuring out how dey do dat. (the drawing, not the gun ) __________________ TFL Aluminium. Molon Labe!

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