<<new>> Springfield Xd .45 G.a.p.

Frenchy · February 14, 2004, 08:46 PM

Pictures, commentary, and opinions can be found at HS2000 & SA-XD Talk .

Hot brass · February 14, 2004, 08:50 PM

GAP, clap, give me the 45acp

45R · February 14, 2004, 09:23 PM

To each his own but that is one XD45 I wont be buying. Make it a 45ACP!

tc300mag1 · February 14, 2004, 09:30 PM

Better be 45 acp for me the wheel didnt need to be reinvented it works just fine

wally · February 14, 2004, 10:00 PM

Unless the 45 GAP lets someone make a 45 the size of a Kahr PM40 I see no earthly use for it.

My Kimber Ultra Carry is only a little bigger than the Kahr P40 and the Taurus PT145 is pretty much the same size as the P40 just a bit thicker but its 10+1 vs the P40's 6+1 and the PM40's 5+1.

--wally.

10mmshooter · February 14, 2004, 10:31 PM

I am considering a .45 purchase, and I am not quite ready to ignore the .45 GAP yet. I have developed a fondness for the 1911 though, and I just don't know if I could get used to another plastic pistol.

Zeke Menuar · February 14, 2004, 11:54 PM

Yawn.....snooze.......Boring!!!

ZM

George Hill · February 15, 2004, 12:17 AM

http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread....hreadid=222666

Well... an XD in .45... but .45GAP.

CRAP!

I hate to say it... but that just might be a worthy combination that brings .45GAP to the mainstream like .40 and .357SIG.

Frenchy · February 15, 2004, 12:33 AM

When I first heard about this George, I was somewhat disappointed. I've been waiting for this for 3 years, and when I heard "GAP", well......
Then I started researching the load, and the more I read the more sense it made. Not only is it the ballistic equivalent of the ACP, but it's designed to work in the 9/40 platform. Think of it!...10 rounds of .45 firepower in a gun designed for the 9mm.
If there is a downside, I haven't found it.

George Hill · February 15, 2004, 12:45 AM

I know... I know... And we wont lose anything in the XD's excellent grip shape and feel.
It's almost...

It's almost too good.

There has got to be something wrong with this. Other than current ammo availability which will improve now... and the association with Glock... which has just been remedied... I don't want to like this - but I do.

And when is the Sub Compact version coming out? BOOYAAH!

Frenchy · February 15, 2004, 01:06 AM

Quote:

And when is the Sub Compact version coming out? BOOYAAH!

And if you don't think that question is all over the forum!!

Sox · February 15, 2004, 03:16 PM

Hopefully, they won't go and make it a FAT slide too!! I was really hoping for a singlestack .45 ACP. Oh well.

Frenchy · February 15, 2004, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Hopefully, they won't go and make it a FAT slide too!! I was really hoping for a singlestack .45 ACP. Oh well.

The slide on the XD was already a little wider than the Glock, so none of the dimensions on on the XD have to change.

Majic · February 15, 2004, 04:55 PM

Down side right now would be ammo availability and probably price too. It can change in the future, but more handguns have to hit the market first.

Frenchy · February 15, 2004, 05:20 PM

Agreed!!

George Hill · February 15, 2004, 05:40 PM

With the XD coming out in .45GAP, others will follow.

SnakeEater · February 15, 2004, 07:31 PM

What is the deal with people and their bashing of the .45 GAP? You say the 45 GAP sucks but .45 ACP doesn't? The ballistics are almost identical. These are the same people that say 9mm sucks, then talk about how sweet that 1911 9mm is. 1911's are not the end all be all people, as far as I'm concerned you can have'em.

Frenchy · February 15, 2004, 07:46 PM

I'm not a reloader (yet), but I do consider myself a logical person.
The .45 ACP case has been with us for umpteen years now, but while the case hasn't changed, powders, bullets & primers have.
The way I understand it, even the ACP +P loading has quite a bit of room left over in the case. If that's true, then the GAP load with the same amount of a given powder, and the same bullet design will produce the same level of performance.
Now!...Am I missing something here.

mrapathy2000 · February 15, 2004, 08:12 PM

another plus is if you go overseas you may be able to keep your pistol cause its 45gap and not 45acp which could be banned cause its used by the military.

wally · February 15, 2004, 08:14 PM

You are missing the fact that the low pressures for the great performance of the 45ACP is one of its virtues. 45ACP ball ammo is cheap (relatively, 12-16 cents a shot) and plentiful. With reloading brass generally lasts longer than I can go without losing it and I can get down to ~6 cents a shot for expendibles.

Compare to .357 SIG where you are doing good to find ammo for less than 25 cents per shot, when 45 GAP non premium defense ammo can be had about the same cost of 45ACP FMJ or they make a gun significantly smaller than my Kimber Ultra Carry (say Kahr PM40 sized) then I'd take it into consideration.

I ignored .40 S&W for a long time too until the K40 Kahrs came out, then I got intrested, waited for the P40 though as I wanted very light and very small, but powerful. Because of all the LE use of .40 S&W ammo and reloading components are about he same or even a bit cheaper now than for 45ACP.

In very small guns I've come to appreciate .40 S&W *over* 45ACP because the 180gr .40 has the same sectional density as 230 gr .45 and will generally give ~100-150 fps more velocity in the short barrels for better penetration.

--wally.

PS has any individual here, not government agency connected, ever brought a handgun into another country?

Black Majik · February 15, 2004, 08:47 PM

Well, I guess many read my mind, I was hoping the XD be in .45 ACP, not .45 GAP!

SA, you really fugged up this time. Y buy a gun that I cant interchange ammo w/ my 1911's. That was the whole point.

.45 GAP

PCRCCW · February 15, 2004, 09:00 PM

Well, its good if you like the chambering. To me its bad.......my view of the GAP is it would die a quick and painless death, but this may add creedence to Gastons new vunderbullet..................boo, hiss.

Shoot well.

Frenchy · February 15, 2004, 09:22 PM

I guess no one's going to answer my question!

Gewehr98 · February 15, 2004, 11:14 PM

Matter of fact, there are people on this forum who have gotten .380 ACP rounds to meet or exceed typical 9mm Luger velocities using the same bullet weights for either cartridge, by bumping up the .380's internal pressures to Oh-My-Goodness levels. The .45GAP probably does match the exterior ballistics of the venerable .45 ACP, but again, not at the same internal working pressures. And trying to do it on a 9mm/.40S&W frame size?

Having said that, I can't wait for the first Glock kB! to happen with the .45GAP versions. Should be interesting to see who blames what.

azrael · February 15, 2004, 11:43 PM

To me it comes down to this...I own 4 guns chambered in .45acp...NONE in .45 gap...Thats why I doubt that I get one of these...If I didnt own several .45's already I might consider it now that it is chambered in the AWESOME XD<~~big fan if ya couldnt tell

One good thing is...If it is the same dimensions as the xd-40 then I dont have another "dummy" to clutter up my workbench

February 14, 2004, 08:46 PM	#1
Frenchy Member Join Date: January 8, 2003 Location: Mid-Missouri Posts: 538	<<new>> Springfield Xd .45 G.a.p. Pictures, commentary, and opinions can be found at HS2000 & SA-XD Talk .

February 14, 2004, 08:50 PM	#2
Hot brass Member Join Date: February 15, 2003 Location: A small town in California Posts: 570	GAP, clap, give me the 45acp __________________ ...mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent...

February 14, 2004, 09:30 PM	#4
tc300mag1 Member Join Date: January 4, 2004 Location: Wayne, Mi Posts: 1,913	Better be 45 acp for me the wheel didnt need to be reinvented it works just fine __________________ Your Results May Vary An armed society is a polite society-Robert A. Heinlein

February 15, 2004, 12:17 AM	#8
George Hill Member Join Date: December 22, 2002 Location: Uintah Basin, UT Posts: 6,845	http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread....hreadid=222666 Well... an XD in .45... but .45GAP. CRAP! I hate to say it... but that just might be a worthy combination that brings .45GAP to the mainstream like .40 and .357SIG. __________________ MAD OGRE "Courage is when you are afraid, but you saddle up anyway."

February 15, 2004, 12:45 AM	#10
George Hill Member Join Date: December 22, 2002 Location: Uintah Basin, UT Posts: 6,845	I know... I know... And we wont lose anything in the XD's excellent grip shape and feel. It's almost... It's almost too good. There has got to be something wrong with this. Other than current ammo availability which will improve now... and the association with Glock... which has just been remedied... I don't want to like this - but I do. And when is the Sub Compact version coming out? BOOYAAH! __________________ MAD OGRE "Courage is when you are afraid, but you saddle up anyway."

February 14, 2004, 09:23 PM	#3
45R Member Join Date: December 25, 2002 Location: No Place Like Home Posts: 3,693	To each his own but that is one XD45 I wont be buying. Make it a 45ACP!

February 14, 2004, 10:00 PM	#5
wally Member Join Date: January 2, 2004 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,582	Unless the 45 GAP lets someone make a 45 the size of a Kahr PM40 I see no earthly use for it. My Kimber Ultra Carry is only a little bigger than the Kahr P40 and the Taurus PT145 is pretty much the same size as the P40 just a bit thicker but its 10+1 vs the P40's 6+1 and the PM40's 5+1. --wally.

February 14, 2004, 10:31 PM	#6
10mmshooter Member Join Date: November 9, 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 186	I am considering a .45 purchase, and I am not quite ready to ignore the .45 GAP yet. I have developed a fondness for the 1911 though, and I just don't know if I could get used to another plastic pistol.

February 14, 2004, 11:54 PM	#7
Zeke Menuar Member Join Date: June 24, 2003 Location: Oregon Monsoon Central Posts: 1,228	Yawn.....snooze.......Boring!!! ZM

February 15, 2004, 12:33 AM	#9
Frenchy Member Join Date: January 8, 2003 Location: Mid-Missouri Posts: 538	When I first heard about this George, I was somewhat disappointed. I've been waiting for this for 3 years, and when I heard "GAP", well...... Then I started researching the load, and the more I read the more sense it made. Not only is it the ballistic equivalent of the ACP, but it's designed to work in the 9/40 platform. Think of it!...10 rounds of .45 firepower in a gun designed for the 9mm. If there is a downside, I haven't found it.

February 15, 2004, 03:16 PM	#12
Sox Member Join Date: December 29, 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 278	Hopefully, they won't go and make it a FAT slide too!! I was really hoping for a singlestack .45 ACP. Oh well.

February 15, 2004, 04:55 PM	#14
Majic Member Join Date: May 3, 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 5,373	Down side right now would be ammo availability and probably price too. It can change in the future, but more handguns have to hit the market first.

February 15, 2004, 05:20 PM	#15
Frenchy Member Join Date: January 8, 2003 Location: Mid-Missouri Posts: 538	Agreed!!

February 15, 2004, 05:40 PM	#16
George Hill Member Join Date: December 22, 2002 Location: Uintah Basin, UT Posts: 6,845	With the XD coming out in .45GAP, others will follow. __________________ MAD OGRE "Courage is when you are afraid, but you saddle up anyway."

February 15, 2004, 07:31 PM	#17
SnakeEater Member Join Date: January 12, 2004 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 770	What is the deal with people and their bashing of the .45 GAP? You say the 45 GAP sucks but .45 ACP doesn't? The ballistics are almost identical. These are the same people that say 9mm sucks, then talk about how sweet that 1911 9mm is. 1911's are not the end all be all people, as far as I'm concerned you can have'em.

February 15, 2004, 07:46 PM	#18
Frenchy Member Join Date: January 8, 2003 Location: Mid-Missouri Posts: 538	I'm not a reloader (yet), but I do consider myself a logical person. The .45 ACP case has been with us for umpteen years now, but while the case hasn't changed, powders, bullets & primers have. The way I understand it, even the ACP +P loading has quite a bit of room left over in the case. If that's true, then the GAP load with the same amount of a given powder, and the same bullet design will produce the same level of performance. Now!...Am I missing something here.

February 15, 2004, 08:12 PM	#19
mrapathy2000 member Join Date: August 4, 2003 Location: FrozenOver,Iowa Posts: 1,089	another plus is if you go overseas you may be able to keep your pistol cause its 45gap and not 45acp which could be banned cause its used by the military.

February 15, 2004, 08:14 PM	#20
wally Member Join Date: January 2, 2004 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,582	You are missing the fact that the low pressures for the great performance of the 45ACP is one of its virtues. 45ACP ball ammo is cheap (relatively, 12-16 cents a shot) and plentiful. With reloading brass generally lasts longer than I can go without losing it and I can get down to ~6 cents a shot for expendibles. Compare to .357 SIG where you are doing good to find ammo for less than 25 cents per shot, when 45 GAP non premium defense ammo can be had about the same cost of 45ACP FMJ or they make a gun significantly smaller than my Kimber Ultra Carry (say Kahr PM40 sized) then I'd take it into consideration. I ignored .40 S&W for a long time too until the K40 Kahrs came out, then I got intrested, waited for the P40 though as I wanted very light and very small, but powerful. Because of all the LE use of .40 S&W ammo and reloading components are about he same or even a bit cheaper now than for 45ACP. In very small guns I've come to appreciate .40 S&W over 45ACP because the 180gr .40 has the same sectional density as 230 gr .45 and will generally give ~100-150 fps more velocity in the short barrels for better penetration. --wally. PS has any individual here, not government agency connected, ever brought a handgun into another country?

February 15, 2004, 08:47 PM	#21
Black Majik Member Join Date: September 13, 2003 Location: Orange County, California Posts: 5,026	Well, I guess many read my mind, I was hoping the XD be in .45 ACP, not .45 GAP! SA, you really fugged up this time. Y buy a gun that I cant interchange ammo w/ my 1911's. That was the whole point. .45 GAP __________________ -Richard

February 15, 2004, 09:00 PM	#22
PCRCCW Member Join Date: December 27, 2002 Location: The Ice Cream Capitol of the World! Posts: 2,861	Well, its good if you like the chambering. To me its bad.......my view of the GAP is it would die a quick and painless death, but this may add creedence to Gastons new vunderbullet..................boo, hiss. Shoot well. __________________ "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice! " Rush HBE Specialty LeatherWorks Custom Gun Leather www.hbeleatherworks.com

February 15, 2004, 09:22 PM	#23
Frenchy Member Join Date: January 8, 2003 Location: Mid-Missouri Posts: 538	I guess no one's going to answer my question!

February 15, 2004, 11:14 PM	#24
Gewehr98 Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Posts: 5,988	It's all about pressure, Frenchy. Matter of fact, there are people on this forum who have gotten .380 ACP rounds to meet or exceed typical 9mm Luger velocities using the same bullet weights for either cartridge, by bumping up the .380's internal pressures to Oh-My-Goodness levels. The .45GAP probably does match the exterior ballistics of the venerable .45 ACP, but again, not at the same internal working pressures. And trying to do it on a 9mm/.40S&W frame size? Having said that, I can't wait for the first Glock kB! to happen with the .45GAP versions. Should be interesting to see who blames what. __________________ "Bother", said Pooh, as he chambered another round... Neural Misfires

February 15, 2004, 11:43 PM	#25
azrael Member Join Date: January 5, 2004 Location: Staley NC Posts: 1,210	To me it comes down to this...I own 4 guns chambered in .45acp...NONE in .45 gap...Thats why I doubt that I get one of these...If I didnt own several .45's already I might consider it now that it is chambered in the AWESOME XD<~~big fan if ya couldnt tell One good thing is...If it is the same dimensions as the xd-40 then I dont have another "dummy" to clutter up my workbench __________________ Dave Azrael's Custom Leather IM BACK!!!!!!!! BEHOLD....The "GOBLIN"!!! "There is no love in your violence" Kakihara (Ichi the Killer)

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