Key Fight In AWB Renewal THIS WEEK

Bartholomew Roberts · February 23, 2004, 10:06 AM

According to the Washington Times, S.659 is going to be brought to the floor for a vote this week (this mirrors last minute alerts from the BRady Campaign and NRA as well).

There are a whole host of anti-gun amendments being prepared in an attempt to sink S.659 or get renewal of the ban passed. All it takes is a simple majority of Senators present to attach an amendment.

If you haven't contacted your Senator and asked them to support a CLEAN version of S.659 with no antigun amendments, then please use phone or email to contact them today.

This is 100% our fight to win or lose. If we stop them in the Senate, where they are strong, then this battle is going very badly for the antis. If we lose here, then not only will the House be our last line of defense in this fight; but we will almost certainly lose any chance at lawsuit preemption until after the November election.

If you aren't going to do you part and pull your weight now, then at least have the deceny not to complain about the results come September.

FPrice · February 23, 2004, 10:19 AM

I would contact my senators but they are:

Senator Ted "I'll drive" Kennedy, and

Senator John "Effing" Kerry.

How far do you think my opinion would go?

With any luck Kerry will be out campaigning.

Kharn · February 23, 2004, 10:49 AM

I've got Sarbanes and Mikulski and already wrote to them both. Sarbanes sent me back a nice form letter detailing how he was a co-sponsor of one of the antigun bills (which didnt have anything to do with the email I sent him, I only talked about passing a non-amended S.659, I guess an intern opened the wrong MS Word template or something).

Kharn

geekWithA.45 · February 23, 2004, 11:17 AM

The Evil Mummy Lautenberg, and the evil mummy wannabe Corzine, but I'm calling anyway.

Futile? Absolutely.

But a phone call is the difference between being Citizen and being a Doormat.

Democracy won't fail me because I didn't show up; it'll fail me because my reps are duplicitous

Bartholomew Roberts · February 23, 2004, 11:18 AM

Your vote does make a difference, look at the concealed carry fight in Ohio as an example - even Taft, who didn't want to sign a concealed carry bill, can read those numbers:

http://www.daytondailynews.com/local...1gunlobby.html

Nightfall · February 23, 2004, 01:39 PM

I sent out letters a little while ago, and just recently sent e-mails too. Here's hoping somebody actually pays attention to what they say.

labgrade · February 23, 2004, 02:21 PM

"But a phone call is the difference between being Citizen and being a Doormat.

Democracy won't fail me because I didn't show up; it'll fail me because my reps are duplicitous.

Geek = ditto, but I'll you one further.

Write up a very polite, but firm letter on your PC. Print it out. Fax it, e-mail, hard copy snail mail it & then too, call 'em up & express your concerns.

You get 4X power factor from that one (albeit frustrating) letter-writing campaign. Too, if you've any chance at a state-wide grass roots alert-system, stuff in your letter there as well & beat the drum loudly so that those on the list actually git it - be persuassive, not rabid (& [I[this?[/I] from me!?)

I hear recently of an anti-legislation bill being offered up for no-liability for the firearms manufacturers - & that a tag-on will be a more=restructive AWB bill, with no sunset provision.

Hype? maybe. I dunno, but that's the way that these back-room deals are cut.

What needs to happen = AWB sunsets. First & primary. The manufacturers can stand alone, or with our help, as a manufacturer that makes things - just like alcohol - that has no bearing on the end-users'.

The AWB must sunset!

If it doesn't, it shows; #1 that y'all don't have the political clout, or cajones to even fight this battle.

& 2nd, there's nothing else to decide = y'all've already given up the fight.

hillbilly · February 23, 2004, 03:10 PM

I have emailed, called, and just mailed two hand-written letters to my senators.

Even if your Senators are committed antis, let them hear.

If they get a whole slew of negative messages, it might sway some of them.

Remember, elected officials are often more interested in getting re-elected that adhering to core principals.

So make your voice heard, no matter what.

hillbilly

blackrazor · February 23, 2004, 03:45 PM

I'd love to call my senators, but since they are Feinstein and Boxer, well... there really is no point.

labgrade · February 23, 2004, 04:23 PM

hillbilly,

" I have emailed, called, and just mailed two hand-written letters to my senators.

Even if your Senators are committed antis, let them hear.

If they get a whole slew of negative messages, it might sway some of them.

Remember, elected officials are often more interested in getting re-elected that adhering to core principals - if they ever had any to begin with.

So make your voice heard, no matter what."

Yes, Sirs! Ditto!

But, too, fax 'em.

" ... elected officials are often more interested in getting re-elected ... "

The Crux! Might makes right! Quantity makes for what they count for re-election - that is their whole aspect - to become re-elected, & to become, again, the power that is. Other than that, they have no reason to be.

AND, if their power isn't to further the Bill of Rights, whatever reaon do they have to be there?

They want to be ther re "represent" their constituency.

& their constituency might as well be you.

Consider this with much weight!

Their whole aspect of being is to ensure the liberties fought for, bled for, died for, by Your Fahers, your Grandfathers, & likely some of your brothers, to acheive - to re-acheive! these same liberties that many would so gladly give away with the ease of a breath of air, is "represented" by their own view on how they can best be re-elected, and has not one whit to do with what you think, only what they roll the dice for a re-ection.

[Inadvisable comments removed - TBM]

Because this is The Last Great Fight for whatever liberty is left in this world. If it doesn't happen here, it never again will, for time untold.

We, your brethern, will die at a rate unknown to your own country's purges.

& simply because "we" were not allowed to previously voice our distain, nor the voice of final reason.

I beg of you now, Oleg, to listen, finally, to any sort of reason.

This country, this last bastion of freedom, will soon be lost, & be gone forever, if a movement such as your own will not allow this latest freedom of expression .....

& I may have lost it entirely, but still, ... my take:

The politicos have made laws which state what will be & the LEOs enforce them - to our everlasting detriment.

Regardless of any consitutionality, these laws are dealt out. LEOs will obey them to every length = they are "The Law of the Land" & Will Be Enforced. - these laws are our "decry" & our behaviour.

We will live, or die, at the very expression of what these LEOs do, as expresssed by the unconstitutional "law-givers."

I beg of you now, Oleg, to please express some sort of possitive response to please respond to a healthful response to this tryanny!

Ironbarr · February 23, 2004, 04:42 PM

have I missed something? Oleg?

labgrade · February 23, 2004, 05:11 PM

"have I missed something? Oleg?"

Yes! YES! you have!

Oleg has semed to appear to be one of the most vociferous proponents to resist this fasist state that we've happening in this county. I cannot find any aspect where he is in difference, except, man ofis moderators eem to purport an aspect against what he woud support - a huge dichotommy.

Is he, or is he not?

He owns this forum, & either resists the current fascism, or not.

We either have = "I can make a stand on wh6t I believe to be true , or not.

Andrew Rothman · February 23, 2004, 05:36 PM

labgrade,

I love, ya, bro, really, but slow down. Take a breath.

With all respect and deference, are you having another meds-induced moment?

Your last couple posts lack a lot of your usual coherence. Your typing has gone all to heck.

Are you all right?

bbrins · February 23, 2004, 06:16 PM

I also have Sarbanes and Mikulski. I don't think you could change their minds even if you saved their lives with an "assault weapon" but I still pester them every chance I get with emails, phone calls, snail mail, and sometimes faxes.

FPrice · February 23, 2004, 08:00 PM

"I'd love to call my senators, but since they are Feinstein and Boxer, well... there really is no point."

There are some here who say you should write them anyways or you are not doing anything, regardless of what else you may be doing.

I'll concentrate on other actions I can take which may produce more results than spending too much time on Kennedy and Kerry.

Publicola · February 23, 2004, 08:35 PM

Look, two things can be done.

1: call your congresscritter (especially your reps as the senate is damn near hopeless) & tell him/her that if the AWB gets passed then you will withdraw support from their party!

Most congrescritters figure that either your individual vote won't matter that much in their race, or they can vote to kill the AWB while their buddies who aren't up for re-election can pass it.

Tell them it's a Party thing - we get an extended or expanded AWB & the other Party gets your votes & your friends as well.

This might make them pressure their buddies into killing any AWB bills or amendments.

Next - & this is perhaps most important - tell the NRA that if the AWB passes in any form for any reason that you'll drop them & switch all your donations to GOA.

This will get them off their arse (hopefully) & make them act like the 800 lb. gorilla that everyone thinks they are.

The reason the NRA is so critical is because they have lobbyists who are more immediately convincing than a couple thousand or tens of thousands of letters from across the country.

Now some of you know I detest the NRA. I wouldn't encourage anyone to join them no matter what because of the way they stab us in the back. But there's no doubt that they are influencial (my beef is they don't use it for the cause).

So with the congresscritters thinking about losing votes for their entire Party, & the NRA looking at loosing a significant percentage of its members, then something might happen.

Oh, CC a copy of any e-mail to Bush & add a not that says you will not vote for Bush if the AWB passes. & you will not vote Repub again until the AWb is gone.

If enough of us do that we may have a chance of seeing the AWB die.

Moparmike · February 23, 2004, 09:08 PM

I had planned to mail my congresscritters this week, but I guess I will have to call them tomorrow.

Too bad my senators, Senator Mark "I believe in hunter's rights" Pryor and Senator Blanche "Wait, I have to show up for this job?" Lincoln are both DemocRATs and have supported several anti-gun initiatives in the past. Pryor even mailed me confirmation of his desire to see 659 fail some months ago.

NY Patriot · February 24, 2004, 12:42 AM

We all knew this day would come... the first real battle in the war to eradicate the AW Ban. The gauntlet has been thrown down, my friends. The only question left is... how are you going to respond to the challenge???

Are you going to stand up & be counted or are you going to continue to wallow in apathy & cynicism?

Are you going to continue to talk tough, but do nothing? Are you an Internet commando, or are you going to sacrifice your time, $$$, and effort to protect & restore our RKBA?

Are you a fair weather patriot, or are you willing to make room in your life for the political activism needed to ensure that the AWB is cast upon history's ash heap of failed & discarded ideas?

Are you ready to acknowledge that this is not just a hobby or pastime that we are engaged in?

Are you willing to admit that this is a bare knuckles brawl to reclaim our birthright as free men?

Can you finally see that this a battle to preserve & restore the cultural & philosophical legacy that is the grand American experiment?

Are you ready to shoulder the burden that this is YOUR fight, YOUR chance to shape the course of history, YOUR responsibility, and YOUR opportunity to forge a legacy of liberty and freedom for your nation's future?

No free rides... The Essential "End the AW Ban" Contact List & Sample Letter Thread... and no excuses!!!

gunsmith · February 24, 2004, 04:09 AM

She was "not available" I left my name, address, #
She never got back to me...I wonder why?
While I was at it I stopped by the Gov's office!
Nobody wants to talk to me...

NY Patriot · February 24, 2004, 03:14 PM

Here is a resource that should make the job at hand even eaiser...

Sample Letters/Faxes on The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act

Just tweak them a bit & tell your reps. you want an undiluted, unamended version of S.659 brought to a vote & passed!!!

Bartholomew Roberts · February 24, 2004, 04:20 PM

UPDATE:
S.659 has been dropped and a similar version (still clean and written by NRA Board of Director Larry Craig) called S.1805 is now being considered.

For those who want to see the exact text, visit http://thomas.loc.gov/ and type in S.1805 (also see related Craig bill S.1806)

Sen. Frist introduced S.1805 today and indicated they will discuss the bill tomorrow afternoon depending on whether or not an attempt to filibuster an unrelated ob/gyn bill is made tomorrow.

Sen Frist also introduced a motion of cloture on S.1805. Cloture is a motion used to shut down a filibuster - so it sounds like we may have at least 60 votes in support of S.1805 right now. Cloture also limits the time a bill can be debated. If we are successful with the cloture motion, then we will know the answer to this in about 4 business days.

Ironbarr · February 24, 2004, 04:31 PM

appears to be offline right now.

What do you see as the differences among the three bills?

Bartholomew Roberts · February 24, 2004, 05:06 PM

Thomas is up. I just accidentally added a "www" where it didn't belong in my link. I've fixed it now.

Denny Hansen · February 24, 2004, 05:12 PM

Calls made--again.
Letters sent--again.
emails sent--again.
Faxes sent--again.

I may whine later, but at least I'll have earned that right. For those who do nothing, please keep any and all complaints to yourselves.

Denny

greyhound · February 24, 2004, 05:45 PM

I also sent letters to (sigh) Mikulski and Sarbanes.

ALSO sent letters to the RNC, Natl. Republican Congressional Committee, and Republican National Senatorial Committee saying, like Publicola posted, I will not vote for a PARTY that supports this nonsense.

Personally, if it came down to it, let S.659 sit till next year. Letting the AWB sunset is much more crucial to me right now.

We can deal with S.659 next year but let there be NO COMPROMISES now.

Will e-mail the NRA tonight.

February 23, 2004, 10:19 AM	#2
FPrice Member Join Date: December 22, 2002 Location: People's Commonwealth of Massachusetts Posts: 3,386	I would contact my senators but they are: Senator Ted "I'll drive" Kennedy, and Senator John "Effing" Kerry. How far do you think my opinion would go? With any luck Kerry will be out campaigning. __________________ Frosty Proud TFL Alumnus "No matter where you go, there you are." Buckaroo Banzai WWYouD? "Forget about what anyone else would do. Ayoob, Browning, or the Duke aren't gonna be there when it hits the fan for you. What's important in a real-life crisis situation involving you is what YOU do. Not what you do on the range, or on the internet, but what you do when it counts. What Would YOU Do?

February 23, 2004, 11:17 AM	#4
geekWithA.45 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: January 1, 2003 Location: SE PA Posts: 6,907	Hey, my legislators are... The Evil Mummy Lautenberg, and the evil mummy wannabe Corzine, but I'm calling anyway. Futile? Absolutely. But a phone call is the difference between being Citizen and being a Doormat. Democracy won't fail me because I didn't show up; it'll fail me because my reps are duplicitous __________________ The Second Amendment is an intrinsic, inextricable part of the system of checks and balances upon which our Republic is based. --- Didja ever notice that while psychos might try to kill everyone at the mall or the cafeteria, they never try that nonsense at NRA meetings? --- Fight smart. Not dumb. Smart. --- http://geekWithA45.blogspot.com

February 23, 2004, 01:39 PM	#6
Nightfall Member Join Date: February 24, 2003 Location: WA Posts: 1,819	I sent out letters a little while ago, and just recently sent e-mails too. Here's hoping somebody actually pays attention to what they say. __________________ Peace is good. Freedom is better. "Now now, perfectly symmetrical violence never solved anything." - Futurama

February 23, 2004, 04:23 PM	#10
labgrade Member Emeritus Join Date: December 22, 2002 Location: west of Loveland, CO Posts: 1,289	hillbilly, " I have emailed, called, and just mailed two hand-written letters to my senators. Even if your Senators are committed antis, let them hear. If they get a whole slew of negative messages, it might sway some of them. Remember, elected officials are often more interested in getting re-elected that adhering to core principals - if they ever had any to begin with. So make your voice heard, no matter what." Yes, Sirs! Ditto! But, too, fax 'em. " ... elected officials are often more interested in getting re-elected ... " The Crux! Might makes right! Quantity makes for what they count for re-election - that is their whole aspect - to become re-elected, & to become, again, the power that is. Other than that, they have no reason to be. AND, if their power isn't to further the Bill of Rights, whatever reaon do they have to be there? They want to be ther re "represent" their constituency. & their constituency might as well be you. Consider this with much weight! Their whole aspect of being is to ensure the liberties fought for, bled for, died for, by Your Fahers, your Grandfathers, & likely some of your brothers, to acheive - to re-acheive! these same liberties that many would so gladly give away with the ease of a breath of air, is "represented" by their own view on how they can best be re-elected, and has not one whit to do with what you think, only what they roll the dice for a re-ection. [Inadvisable comments removed - TBM] Because this is The Last Great Fight for whatever liberty is left in this world. If it doesn't happen here, it never again will, for time untold. We, your brethern, will die at a rate unknown to your own country's purges. & simply because "we" were not allowed to previously voice our distain, nor the voice of final reason. I beg of you now, Oleg, to listen, finally, to any sort of reason. This country, this last bastion of freedom, will soon be lost, & be gone forever, if a movement such as your own will not allow this latest freedom of expression ..... & I may have lost it entirely, but still, ... my take: The politicos have made laws which state what will be & the LEOs enforce them - to our everlasting detriment. Regardless of any consitutionality, these laws are dealt out. LEOs will obey them to every length = they are "The Law of the Land" & Will Be Enforced. - these laws are our "decry" & our behaviour. We will live, or die, at the very expression of what these LEOs do, as expresssed by the unconstitutional "law-givers." I beg of you now, Oleg, to please express some sort of possitive response to please respond to a healthful response to this tryanny! Last edited by TheBluesMan; February 23, 2004 at 10:08 PM.

February 23, 2004, 04:42 PM	#11
Ironbarr Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,220	labgrade... have I missed something? Oleg? __________________ . - AndyB - FWTV - For Whatever The Value "When seconds count, most help is just minutes away." -Unknown (to me).

February 23, 2004, 10:06 AM	#1
Bartholomew Roberts Moderator Emeritus Join Date: December 26, 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 10,994	Key Fight In AWB Renewal THIS WEEK According to the Washington Times, S.659 is going to be brought to the floor for a vote this week (this mirrors last minute alerts from the BRady Campaign and NRA as well). There are a whole host of anti-gun amendments being prepared in an attempt to sink S.659 or get renewal of the ban passed. All it takes is a simple majority of Senators present to attach an amendment. If you haven't contacted your Senator and asked them to support a CLEAN version of S.659 with no antigun amendments, then please use phone or email to contact them today. This is 100% our fight to win or lose. If we stop them in the Senate, where they are strong, then this battle is going very badly for the antis. If we lose here, then not only will the House be our last line of defense in this fight; but we will almost certainly lose any chance at lawsuit preemption until after the November election. If you aren't going to do you part and pull your weight now, then at least have the deceny not to complain about the results come September.

February 23, 2004, 10:49 AM	#3
Kharn Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Location: Maryland Posts: 4,002	I've got Sarbanes and Mikulski and already wrote to them both. Sarbanes sent me back a nice form letter detailing how he was a co-sponsor of one of the antigun bills (which didnt have anything to do with the email I sent him, I only talked about passing a non-amended S.659, I guess an intern opened the wrong MS Word template or something). Kharn

February 23, 2004, 11:18 AM	#5
Bartholomew Roberts Moderator Emeritus Join Date: December 26, 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 10,994	Your vote does make a difference, look at the concealed carry fight in Ohio as an example - even Taft, who didn't want to sign a concealed carry bill, can read those numbers: http://www.daytondailynews.com/local...1gunlobby.html

February 23, 2004, 02:21 PM	#7
labgrade Member Emeritus Join Date: December 22, 2002 Location: west of Loveland, CO Posts: 1,289	"But a phone call is the difference between being Citizen and being a Doormat. Democracy won't fail me because I didn't show up; it'll fail me because my reps are duplicitous. Geek = ditto, but I'll you one further. Write up a very polite, but firm letter on your PC. Print it out. Fax it, e-mail, hard copy snail mail it & then too, call 'em up & express your concerns. You get 4X power factor from that one (albeit frustrating) letter-writing campaign. Too, if you've any chance at a state-wide grass roots alert-system, stuff in your letter there as well & beat the drum loudly so that those on the list actually git it - be persuassive, not rabid (& [I[this?[/I] from me!?) I hear recently of an anti-legislation bill being offered up for no-liability for the firearms manufacturers - & that a tag-on will be a more=restructive AWB bill, with no sunset provision. Hype? maybe. I dunno, but that's the way that these back-room deals are cut. What needs to happen = AWB sunsets. First & primary. The manufacturers can stand alone, or with our help, as a manufacturer that makes things - just like alcohol - that has no bearing on the end-users'. The AWB must sunset! If it doesn't, it shows; #1 that y'all don't have the political clout, or cajones to even fight this battle. & 2nd, there's nothing else to decide = y'all've already given up the fight.

February 23, 2004, 03:10 PM	#8
hillbilly Member Join Date: July 10, 2003 Location: Arkansas Posts: 3,040	I have emailed, called, and just mailed two hand-written letters to my senators. Even if your Senators are committed antis, let them hear. If they get a whole slew of negative messages, it might sway some of them. Remember, elected officials are often more interested in getting re-elected that adhering to core principals. So make your voice heard, no matter what. hillbilly

February 23, 2004, 03:45 PM	#9
blackrazor Member Join Date: January 3, 2003 Location: CA Posts: 554	I'd love to call my senators, but since they are Feinstein and Boxer, well... there really is no point.

February 23, 2004, 05:11 PM	#12
labgrade Member Emeritus Join Date: December 22, 2002 Location: west of Loveland, CO Posts: 1,289	"have I missed something? Oleg?" Yes! YES! you have! Oleg has semed to appear to be one of the most vociferous proponents to resist this fasist state that we've happening in this county. I cannot find any aspect where he is in difference, except, man ofis moderators eem to purport an aspect against what he woud support - a huge dichotommy. Is he, or is he not? He owns this forum, & either resists the current fascism, or not. We either have = "I can make a stand on wh6t I believe to be true , or not.

February 23, 2004, 05:36 PM	#13
Andrew Rothman Member Join Date: August 21, 2003 Location: MN Posts: 2,673	labgrade, I love, ya, bro, really, but slow down. Take a breath. With all respect and deference, are you having another meds-induced moment? Your last couple posts lack a lot of your usual coherence. Your typing has gone all to heck. Are you all right? __________________ Attention -- American Jews: "Never Again" will not be enforced by prayer, petitions or pacifism. MADFI, Minnesota's first and largest nonprofit carry permit instructor certification organization. Minnesota Carry Permit Training -- professional and affordable! "Getting up early does not get more work done...any more than you can make a piece of string longer by cutting off one end and tying it onto the other. Progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." -- Robert A. Heinlein

February 23, 2004, 06:16 PM	#14
bbrins Member Join Date: December 23, 2002 Location: Maryland Posts: 216	I also have Sarbanes and Mikulski. I don't think you could change their minds even if you saved their lives with an "assault weapon" but I still pester them every chance I get with emails, phone calls, snail mail, and sometimes faxes.

February 23, 2004, 08:00 PM	#15
FPrice Member Join Date: December 22, 2002 Location: People's Commonwealth of Massachusetts Posts: 3,386	blackrazor... "I'd love to call my senators, but since they are Feinstein and Boxer, well... there really is no point." There are some here who say you should write them anyways or you are not doing anything, regardless of what else you may be doing. I'll concentrate on other actions I can take which may produce more results than spending too much time on Kennedy and Kerry. __________________ Frosty Proud TFL Alumnus "No matter where you go, there you are." Buckaroo Banzai WWYouD? "Forget about what anyone else would do. Ayoob, Browning, or the Duke aren't gonna be there when it hits the fan for you. What's important in a real-life crisis situation involving you is what YOU do. Not what you do on the range, or on the internet, but what you do when it counts. What Would YOU Do?

February 23, 2004, 08:35 PM	#16
Publicola Member Join Date: November 2, 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 226	Look, two things can be done. 1: call your congresscritter (especially your reps as the senate is damn near hopeless) & tell him/her that if the AWB gets passed then you will withdraw support from their party! Most congrescritters figure that either your individual vote won't matter that much in their race, or they can vote to kill the AWB while their buddies who aren't up for re-election can pass it. Tell them it's a Party thing - we get an extended or expanded AWB & the other Party gets your votes & your friends as well. This might make them pressure their buddies into killing any AWB bills or amendments. Next - & this is perhaps most important - tell the NRA that if the AWB passes in any form for any reason that you'll drop them & switch all your donations to GOA. This will get them off their arse (hopefully) & make them act like the 800 lb. gorilla that everyone thinks they are. The reason the NRA is so critical is because they have lobbyists who are more immediately convincing than a couple thousand or tens of thousands of letters from across the country. Now some of you know I detest the NRA. I wouldn't encourage anyone to join them no matter what because of the way they stab us in the back. But there's no doubt that they are influencial (my beef is they don't use it for the cause). So with the congresscritters thinking about losing votes for their entire Party, & the NRA looking at loosing a significant percentage of its members, then something might happen. Oh, CC a copy of any e-mail to Bush & add a not that says you will not vote for Bush if the AWB passes. & you will not vote Repub again until the AWb is gone. If enough of us do that we may have a chance of seeing the AWB die. __________________ http://publicola.mu.nu

February 23, 2004, 09:08 PM	#17
Moparmike Member Join Date: June 8, 2003 Location: Oddly enough, a downwardly-plunging firey handbasket... Posts: 3,602	I had planned to mail my congresscritters this week, but I guess I will have to call them tomorrow. Too bad my senators, Senator Mark "I believe in hunter's rights" Pryor and Senator Blanche "Wait, I have to show up for this job?" Lincoln are both DemocRATs and have supported several anti-gun initiatives in the past. Pryor even mailed me confirmation of his desire to see 659 fail some months ago. __________________ ********************************************************** Mike NRA Member \|\| Betsey's Loyal Minion 6 guns and counting. Requisite Quotes **********************************************************

February 24, 2004, 12:42 AM	#18
NY Patriot Member Join Date: July 18, 2003 Location: NY Posts: 171	We all knew this day would come... the first real battle in the war to eradicate the AW Ban. The gauntlet has been thrown down, my friends. The only question left is... how are you going to respond to the challenge??? Are you going to stand up & be counted or are you going to continue to wallow in apathy & cynicism? Are you going to continue to talk tough, but do nothing? Are you an Internet commando, or are you going to sacrifice your time, $$$, and effort to protect & restore our RKBA? Are you a fair weather patriot, or are you willing to make room in your life for the political activism needed to ensure that the AWB is cast upon history's ash heap of failed & discarded ideas? Are you ready to acknowledge that this is not just a hobby or pastime that we are engaged in? Are you willing to admit that this is a bare knuckles brawl to reclaim our birthright as free men? Can you finally see that this a battle to preserve & restore the cultural & philosophical legacy that is the grand American experiment? Are you ready to shoulder the burden that this is YOUR fight, YOUR chance to shape the course of history, YOUR responsibility, and YOUR opportunity to forge a legacy of liberty and freedom for your nation's future? No free rides... The Essential "End the AW Ban" Contact List & Sample Letter Thread... and no excuses!!! Last edited by NY Patriot; February 24, 2004 at 01:15 AM.

February 24, 2004, 04:09 AM	#19
gunsmith member Join Date: May 8, 2003 Location: Reno, Nevada Posts: 5,910	I've gone to DiFi's office to ask her myself She was "not available" I left my name, address, # She never got back to me...I wonder why? While I was at it I stopped by the Gov's office! Nobody wants to talk to me...

February 24, 2004, 03:14 PM	#20
NY Patriot Member Join Date: July 18, 2003 Location: NY Posts: 171	Here is a resource that should make the job at hand even eaiser... Sample Letters/Faxes on The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act Just tweak them a bit & tell your reps. you want an undiluted, unamended version of S.659 brought to a vote & passed!!!

February 24, 2004, 04:20 PM	#21
Bartholomew Roberts Moderator Emeritus Join Date: December 26, 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 10,994	UPDATE: S.659 has been dropped and a similar version (still clean and written by NRA Board of Director Larry Craig) called S.1805 is now being considered. For those who want to see the exact text, visit http://thomas.loc.gov/ and type in S.1805 (also see related Craig bill S.1806) Sen. Frist introduced S.1805 today and indicated they will discuss the bill tomorrow afternoon depending on whether or not an attempt to filibuster an unrelated ob/gyn bill is made tomorrow. Sen Frist also introduced a motion of cloture on S.1805. Cloture is a motion used to shut down a filibuster - so it sounds like we may have at least 60 votes in support of S.1805 right now. Cloture also limits the time a bill can be debated. If we are successful with the cloture motion, then we will know the answer to this in about 4 business days. Last edited by Bartholomew Roberts; February 24, 2004 at 05:27 PM.

February 24, 2004, 04:31 PM	#22
Ironbarr Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,220	Thomas.. appears to be offline right now. What do you see as the differences among the three bills?

February 24, 2004, 05:06 PM	#23
Bartholomew Roberts Moderator Emeritus Join Date: December 26, 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 10,994	Thomas is up. I just accidentally added a "www" where it didn't belong in my link. I've fixed it now.

February 24, 2004, 05:12 PM	#24
Denny Hansen Member Join Date: December 23, 2002 Location: Arizona Posts: 581	Calls made--again. Letters sent--again. emails sent--again. Faxes sent--again. I may whine later, but at least I'll have earned that right. For those who do nothing, please keep any and all complaints to yourselves. Denny __________________ Stay low and watch your back. MOLON LABE! Proud TFL Alumnus

February 24, 2004, 05:45 PM	#25
greyhound Member Join Date: May 17, 2003 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,665	I also sent letters to (sigh) Mikulski and Sarbanes. ALSO sent letters to the RNC, Natl. Republican Congressional Committee, and Republican National Senatorial Committee saying, like Publicola posted, I will not vote for a PARTY that supports this nonsense. Personally, if it came down to it, let S.659 sit till next year. Letting the AWB sunset is much more crucial to me right now. We can deal with S.659 next year but let there be NO COMPROMISES now. Will e-mail the NRA tonight.

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