Request for CSPAN Junkies - Page 2

CZ 75 BD · February 25, 2004, 11:19 AM

of Ohio only Republican to vote against cloture 22 Dems and Jumpin Jeffords voted with republicans. Now under quorum call @ 10:18 CT

Thumper · February 25, 2004, 11:20 AM

In light of the White House statement yesterday specifying "no amendments", some of our Bush hating members might have a big ol' plate of crow to eat.

**Jeff White** · February 25, 2004, 11:21 AM

They just flashed that Dewine from Ohio was the only republican to vote against cloture. Even retiring RINO Fitzgerald who purports to represent me voted for it. I had him totally in the other camp...especially since he's not seeking re-election this time....

Jeff

CZ 75 BD · February 25, 2004, 11:22 AM

now speaking about jobs and the economy, prescription drugs, college tuition.

Bartholomew Roberts · February 25, 2004, 11:23 AM

Voting for cloture isn't the same as voting for the bill - that's an old political trick... you vote for cloture to effectively kill the bill and show your party you support them where it counts, then you vote against the bill after you know it is going down anyway to show your constituents that you backed what they wanted.

NRAninja · February 25, 2004, 11:23 AM

HAHAHAHAHAHA Kennedy is having a fit it's hilarious

Diggler · February 25, 2004, 11:24 AM

One thing about Bush, he knows how to lead. When push comes to shove, he can really whip the House and Senate into shape!

GigaBuist · February 25, 2004, 11:24 AM

Is there anything available that would let us find out how our specific senators voted this early?

**Jeff White** · February 25, 2004, 11:24 AM

Ted Kennedy is whining now that the Senate should be taking up extending unemployment and raising the minimum wage instead of this issue.....

They sound done.....

Jeff

dustind · February 25, 2004, 11:29 AM

keep the updates comming, I have no tv access right now.
Edit: This is so cool. Victory is at hand.

CZ 75 BD · February 25, 2004, 11:29 AM

is showing a chart of the financial hardships of unemployment. Now a chart of jobs lost.

madmike · February 25, 2004, 11:32 AM

So it appears RMGO had bad information or exaggerated on a "Sellout." Sucks for them to be wrong, but I'm glad to hear it. Also glad to see NRA not compromising on this one.

Now, as to "Schoolyards": If you want to kill yourself between now and Sept 14, have the courage, courtesy and decency to do it privately in your home, not be a gutless p#$^y and shoot at kids until the cops fix you.

Actually, that's good advice forever. Or wear antlers on your head in November. But die like a man, not a worthless scumbag.

Brett Bellmore · February 25, 2004, 11:33 AM

How amusing that I went to www.keepandbeararms.org to check if they had news, and found this:

NRA OK's Strategy to Force Pro-Gun Senators to Support Assault Weapons Ban, Gun Show InstaChecks

Looks like the "deal" must have fallen through.

CZ 75 BD · February 25, 2004, 11:33 AM

Feinstein, Durbin,Clinton, Akaka, Kennedy, Sarbannes, Wyden, Harkin, Hollings, Corzine, Dodd, Grahm of FL, Inouye, Lautenberg, Murray, Shumer, Cantwell and 5 others I couldn't keep up with.

Bartholomew Roberts · February 25, 2004, 11:36 AM

Is Teddy hitting the bottle early this morning and forgot what the debate was or have they moved on to another issue?

madmike · February 25, 2004, 11:36 AM

Hey, I've been saying since before Sept 11 that I don't like a lot of what Bush has done, but at least he acts like an executive and not a namby-pamby poll watcher.

Refreshing to have a leader who LEADS rather than taking TV surveys.

Eight years without a president was long enough.

Thumper · February 25, 2004, 11:38 AM

Wonder how rmgo and KABA will respond to this? Kinda jacks up their credibility, huh?

Oh well...maybe they'll come around. In the meantime, good on ya, NRA.

ClonaKilty · February 25, 2004, 11:44 AM

Roger that, Thumper. Angel Shamaya needs to reexamine his apparent anti-NRA bias on kba.com

**Jeff White** · February 25, 2004, 11:45 AM

I'm wondering if they have earlier introduced an amendment dealing with the new Dept. of Labor regs to the bill?

I'm not sure what's going on...probably few of them in the senate chambers know either...

Jeff

Diggler · February 25, 2004, 11:46 AM

I just went to RMGO and read the article... there is NO sources cited anywhere. Not even a QUOTE from anyone, just the author rambling! It reads like something from the Enquirer.

Quote:

The NRA didn't warn members: as of the writing of this e-mail, there is nothing on their website regarding this deal.

Why would the NRA post something that didn't exist?

I hope this is another case of bad journalism.

Bartholomew Roberts · February 25, 2004, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Wonder how rmgo and KABA will respond to this? Kinda jacks up their credibility, huh?

Well, I'd wait until we see a final vote on the bill before we decide on that; but it is sure looking that way right now. For that matter, we sure got a lot of warning about amendments and so far nothing there either.

Considering they have about one hour left to file an amendment in our worst case scenario and only 30 hours left before the final vote, I'd say it looks like a lot of people were either way off on this one or we applied some serious arm-twisting.

foghornl · February 25, 2004, 11:53 AM

DeWine of Ohio votes against cloture. Why am I not suprised? Between him and Guv. Booby "Flip. Flop. Which way is the wind blowing NOW?" Daft, I can't tell who the R.I.N.O. poster childs really is.

And unless I am grossly mistaken, Ohio State Sen Eric Fingerhut (Dem) is running against DeWine this fall. A Dem vs. A Repub that is a Dem.

Fingerhut is the guy that just about ruined CCW reform in Ohio.

Thumper · February 25, 2004, 11:56 AM

Well, I had to babysit servers last night, so I haven't slept in over 24 hours. I'm hitting the sack. Talk to you guys tonight. Hopefully we'll have something to celebrate.

goblue · February 25, 2004, 11:57 AM

When Teddy was babbling on about special interests, and how this legislation is all about special interests, I think he must have forgotten to mention that trial lawyers (isn't that a special interest group?) would benefit greatly from defeating this bill.

Diggler · February 25, 2004, 11:58 AM

Could it be that amendment talk and such was actually disinformation, in the hopes that gun owners would say 'screw the manufacturers', call their rep's and tell them to vote 'NO' for the bill??

February 25, 2004, 11:19 AM	#26
CZ 75 BD Member Join Date: February 7, 2003 Location: The Heart of Dixie Posts: 752	DeWine... of Ohio only Republican to vote against cloture 22 Dems and Jumpin Jeffords voted with republicans. Now under quorum call @ 10:18 CT __________________ "In New York city, you can be fined $25 for spitting in the subway. However, you can throw-up for free" ---- Lewis Grizzard Steel City Sport Shooting Association Alabama Gun Collectors Association Airplane Pictures

February 25, 2004, 11:20 AM	#27
Thumper Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Location: Rosenberg, Texas Posts: 2,876	In light of the White House statement yesterday specifying "no amendments", some of our Bush hating members might have a big ol' plate of crow to eat. __________________ Ronnie

February 25, 2004, 11:22 AM	#29
CZ 75 BD Member Join Date: February 7, 2003 Location: The Heart of Dixie Posts: 752	Splash Kennedy now speaking about jobs and the economy, prescription drugs, college tuition. __________________ "In New York city, you can be fined $25 for spitting in the subway. However, you can throw-up for free" ---- Lewis Grizzard Steel City Sport Shooting Association Alabama Gun Collectors Association Airplane Pictures

February 25, 2004, 11:24 AM	#32
Diggler Member Join Date: January 21, 2004 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,293	One thing about Bush, he knows how to lead. When push comes to shove, he can really whip the House and Senate into shape! __________________ Liberalism is a mental disorder.

February 25, 2004, 11:29 AM	#36
CZ 75 BD Member Join Date: February 7, 2003 Location: The Heart of Dixie Posts: 752	Now Teddy is showing a chart of the financial hardships of unemployment. Now a chart of jobs lost. __________________ "In New York city, you can be fined $25 for spitting in the subway. However, you can throw-up for free" ---- Lewis Grizzard Steel City Sport Shooting Association Alabama Gun Collectors Association Airplane Pictures

February 25, 2004, 11:21 AM	#28
Jeff White Moderator Join Date: December 24, 2002 Location: Alma Illinois Posts: 10,866	They just flashed that Dewine from Ohio was the only republican to vote against cloture. Even retiring RINO Fitzgerald who purports to represent me voted for it. I had him totally in the other camp...especially since he's not seeking re-election this time.... Jeff

February 25, 2004, 11:23 AM	#30
Bartholomew Roberts Moderator Emeritus Join Date: December 26, 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 10,994	Voting for cloture isn't the same as voting for the bill - that's an old political trick... you vote for cloture to effectively kill the bill and show your party you support them where it counts, then you vote against the bill after you know it is going down anyway to show your constituents that you backed what they wanted.

February 25, 2004, 11:23 AM	#31
NRAninja Member Join Date: January 27, 2004 Location: South Georgia Posts: 41	HAHAHAHAHAHA Kennedy is having a fit it's hilarious

February 25, 2004, 11:24 AM	#33
GigaBuist Member Join Date: September 27, 2003 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 2,219	Is there anything available that would let us find out how our specific senators voted this early?

February 25, 2004, 11:29 AM	#35
dustind Member Join Date: January 11, 2003 Location: St. Michael, MN Posts: 1,581	keep the updates comming, I have no tv access right now. Edit: This is so cool. Victory is at hand.

February 25, 2004, 11:32 AM	#37
madmike Member Join Date: January 5, 2003 Location: In a well-equipped suburban bunker Posts: 2,036	So it appears RMGO had bad information or exaggerated on a "Sellout." Sucks for them to be wrong, but I'm glad to hear it. Also glad to see NRA not compromising on this one. Now, as to "Schoolyards": If you want to kill yourself between now and Sept 14, have the courage, courtesy and decency to do it privately in your home, not be a gutless p#$^y and shoot at kids until the cops fix you. Actually, that's good advice forever. Or wear antlers on your head in November. But die like a man, not a worthless scumbag. __________________ http://SharpPointyThings.com http://www.MichaelZWilliamson.com FREEHOLD, Jan 04 from Baen Books THE WEAPON, Aug 05 from Baen Books CONFIRMED KILL, Sep 05 from HarperCollins BETTER TO BEG FORGIVENESS..., Winter 07 from Baen Books ~~~ "The Finest battle implement ever devised." Ung the Caveman on the M1 Pointy Stick.

February 25, 2004, 11:33 AM	#38
Brett Bellmore Member Join Date: December 28, 2002 Location: Capac, Michigan Posts: 979	How amusing that I went to www.keepandbeararms.org to check if they had news, and found this: NRA OK's Strategy to Force Pro-Gun Senators to Support Assault Weapons Ban, Gun Show InstaChecks Looks like the "deal" must have fallen through. __________________ Sic Semper Tyrannis!

February 25, 2004, 11:33 AM	#39
CZ 75 BD Member Join Date: February 7, 2003 Location: The Heart of Dixie Posts: 752	GigaBuist Feinstein, Durbin,Clinton, Akaka, Kennedy, Sarbannes, Wyden, Harkin, Hollings, Corzine, Dodd, Grahm of FL, Inouye, Lautenberg, Murray, Shumer, Cantwell and 5 others I couldn't keep up with. __________________ "In New York city, you can be fined $25 for spitting in the subway. However, you can throw-up for free" ---- Lewis Grizzard Steel City Sport Shooting Association Alabama Gun Collectors Association Airplane Pictures

February 25, 2004, 11:36 AM	#40
Bartholomew Roberts Moderator Emeritus Join Date: December 26, 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 10,994	Is Teddy hitting the bottle early this morning and forgot what the debate was or have they moved on to another issue?

February 25, 2004, 11:38 AM	#42
Thumper Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Location: Rosenberg, Texas Posts: 2,876	Wonder how rmgo and KABA will respond to this? Kinda jacks up their credibility, huh? Oh well...maybe they'll come around. In the meantime, good on ya, NRA. __________________ Ronnie

February 25, 2004, 11:44 AM	#43
ClonaKilty Member Join Date: December 3, 2003 Location: Pacific NW Posts: 272	Roger that, Thumper. Angel Shamaya needs to reexamine his apparent anti-NRA bias on kba.com __________________ I don't own an "arsenal;" I prefer the term "defense portfolio." Freedom in YOUR lifetime! Origin of my THR name

February 25, 2004, 11:45 AM	#44
Jeff White Moderator Join Date: December 24, 2002 Location: Alma Illinois Posts: 10,866	I'm wondering if they have earlier introduced an amendment dealing with the new Dept. of Labor regs to the bill? I'm not sure what's going on...probably few of them in the senate chambers know either... Jeff

February 25, 2004, 11:53 AM	#47
foghornl Member Join Date: December 27, 2002 Location: 'Burbs of Cleveland Posts: 6,546	DeWine of Ohio votes against cloture. Why am I not suprised? Between him and Guv. Booby "Flip. Flop. Which way is the wind blowing NOW?" Daft, I can't tell who the R.I.N.O. poster childs really is. And unless I am grossly mistaken, Ohio State Sen Eric Fingerhut (Dem) is running against DeWine this fall. A Dem vs. A Repub that is a Dem. Fingerhut is the guy that just about ruined CCW reform in Ohio. __________________ Load your weapons and "Stand Ready". It will be a bumpy ride.

February 25, 2004, 11:56 AM	#48
Thumper Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Location: Rosenberg, Texas Posts: 2,876	Well, I had to babysit servers last night, so I haven't slept in over 24 hours. I'm hitting the sack. Talk to you guys tonight. Hopefully we'll have something to celebrate. __________________ Ronnie

February 25, 2004, 11:57 AM	#49
goblue Member Join Date: January 9, 2004 Location: Minnesnowta Posts: 26	When Teddy was babbling on about special interests, and how this legislation is all about special interests, I think he must have forgotten to mention that trial lawyers (isn't that a special interest group?) would benefit greatly from defeating this bill.

February 25, 2004, 11:58 AM	#50
Diggler Member Join Date: January 21, 2004 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,293	Could it be that amendment talk and such was actually disinformation, in the hopes that gun owners would say 'screw the manufacturers', call their rep's and tell them to vote 'NO' for the bill?? __________________ Liberalism is a mental disorder.

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