Request for CSPAN Junkies

[Beren]

Keep us updated. I tried to connect to the CSPAN-2 feed but can't get through.

[goblue]

Wow, Dianne is speaking now. I never realized how powerful the NRA was. According to Dianne, they regulate the BATF, and put legal limitations on the BATF's authority.

[Bartholomew Roberts]

The lovely Senator Feinstein now has the floor

[Jeff White]

Feinstein is insinuating that the NRA is selling out it's members by taking away their right to seek damages from the manufacturers....But she's not for frivolous lawsuits....

Firearms that can't be unloaded with the safety on are inherently unsafe?? It's a bad design and the manufacturer should be sued? And to think of all those companies making 1911 clones now....

Jeff

[mrtgbnkr]

Sen. Feinswine is rambling on about how the NRA membership will be HURT by the bill...that gun owners won't be able to sue manufacturers who sell them a dangerous or unsafe firearm. Apparently, she hasn't actually read the bill...what a dolt!

[fix]

Apparently, she hasn't actually read the bill...what a dolt!

Apparently she doesn't realize that 95% of the NRA doesn't pay any attention to her whatsoever. As soon as she opens her mouth, most gun owners launch into a rousing chorus of...

LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALA!!!!!!

[Brett Bellmore]

I'd assume she read it, and is just lying as usual.

[Nightfall]

I love the attempted drama about some girl 'struggling to unload a Saturday Night Special'. You push the mag release, and pull back the slide. If you don't know what you're doing, stay away from the firearm. Gee, that must be too much to handle so we need to block this law that would prevent that poor victim of the complicated, unsafe method of unloading a .38 auto from suing for damages.

[Diggler]

Huh.

For some reason, I want all of my guns to be dangerous.

[Jeff White]

My God!!! The bill gives gun dealers immunity because they don't have ESP and can't tell a gun may be used in a crime...We can't have that!!! Common sense in court....Our legal system will collapse in a mushroom cloud of dust!!

And oh my...it exempts dealers who follow the law.

This woman has no idea of logic...

Jeff

[Patent Works]

"Wonder how rmgo and KABA will respond to this? Kinda jacks up their credibility, huh?"

Actually, the non-NRA last minutes scares (whether or not true) did a lot to motivate people to contact their Senators (for me at least). The fact that they arguably worked is no argument that they were unnecessary, or that credibility was lost.

Bush and the Senate heard from us.

[mrtgbnkr]

Feinstein: "because there are so few actual laws covering the sale and manufacturing of guns..."

OK...I'm calling BS on this one...what a clown!

[goblue]

Don't forget, when unloading a firearm, especially a Saturday night special, be sure to point it at the kid you are babysitting.

[Nightfall]

Feinstein now wins the award for 'longest continuous lie'. I don't think I've ever heard somebody lie so much for so long... with a straight face too!

[BenW]

Apparently she doesn't realize that 95% of the NRA doesn't pay any attention to her whatsoever.

Yes, but unfortunately many unknowlegeable fence-sitters will listen to her. This will turn into a "stupid NRA members don't know what they're doing" line for her. I'm waiting for her followers here at work to ask me how I feel about the NRA "hurting me" by "fighting against my safety." Because really, Feinstein only has the best interests of gunowners foremost on her mind.

[goblue]

Dianne is showing some restraint. When she is talking about the DC sniper's rifle, she is not using terms like 'evil assult rifle'. Of course, she is also blaming Bushy for allowing Lee and Malvo have access to their gun- never mind that the gun was illegally obtained.

[Harry Tuttle]

This woman has no idea of logic...

ding ding ding!

the emperor has no stones

Sam Adam's crew would of had her tarred and feathered

[goblue]

Another DF lie "The gun industry is largely unregulated".

[Bartholomew Roberts]

By the way, a huge thanks to everyone providing commentary for those of us in the cheap seats!

[The Undertoad]

Another thanks for the ongoing commentary. It's good to see that Sen. Warner voted for cloture - I like to think that our emails and calls made a difference.

Unfortunately I was in class while this was going on and I have to head out to another class in about 15 minutes, then I probably won't be able to get online until late afternoon/early evening.

So does this mean they're voting on the bill today?

[Bartholomew Roberts]

Vote can go down anytime in the next 30 hours now, so no telling. Could be in five minutes; but won't be longer than 30 hours max.

[Nightfall]

Now she was just telling us sob stories where somebody picks up a gun, points it at somebody, and pulls the trigger with a bullet in the chamber, and it fires. This means it is the fault of the manufacturer, for not providing a mag disconnect or such. Not the person who pulls the trigger, or the parent who doesn't secure their firearm or teach their kids not to point guns at people and pull the trigger. Ugghh...

P.S. Don't forget the multiple times she has pointed out how the ATF needs more power, and how it is virtually impotent right now.

[dustind]

I would also like to say thanks, keep the quotes comming. This is entertaining. They can lie and whine all they want, as long as we win.

Where can we get a record of what was said? Many of the quotes would be good for future use.

[Harry Tuttle]

there should be a transcript available on Thomas
and in the heat of the floor antis can say stupid things when they are pressured

[Tempest]

Wonder how rmgo and KABA will respond to this? Kinda jacks up their credibility, huh?

I'm not going to respond for RMGO, but what is it exactly that jacks KABA's credibility? Would you rather we not have linked to the piece, just ignored it and hoped it went away? What would have happened if it turned out to be true (god forbid) and we had ignored it? Would you have then bitched at us for being remiss in our duties and ignoring this story?

What do you want from us, exactly? We linked to the story for your information. That's our job. We did it. If it turned out to be false, GREAT! If not, at least people would have been forewarned ahead of time. And at least it got people to contact their senators and again reinfoce their views on gun rights.

So what is it exactly that ruins our credibility here? Linking to the RMGO story? We link to NRA stories, JoinTogether stories and Brady campaign stories - FOR YOUR INFORMATION. Is there a problem with this? Or are some people here (Mr. Bellmore!) who are so anxious to see KABA fall that they'd manufacture claims of "egg on face" just to discredit us?

I took action as well. I wrote both my senators and Chuck Cunningham. At least I got some clarification, and I'm glad I did.

The exchange is below:

There is a real and significant difference in passage and enactment of a bill. If we are unable to stop an anti-gun amendment from passing in the Senate, the House and more likely a conference committee can and will clean it up. The only choice is a clean bill to the President or no bill.

-----Original Message-----
From: nicki_f@direcway.com [nicki_f@direcway.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 8:51 AM
To: Cunningham, Chuck
Subject: Re: RE: Defeat the Assault Weapons Ban at any cost


Mr. Cunningham, I SINCERELY hope and pray so. But let me ask you this: if there is no chance of the immunity bill passing without these poison pill amendments, will the NRA take definitive steps to urge the Senate to kill this bill?

Thank you for taking the time to respond. I thought these rumors were false at first, but RMGO has been nothing if not dependable in the past, so that alert had me very worried.

Nicki

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cunningham, Chuck" <chuckc@visi.net>
Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 10:34 pm
Subject: RE: Defeat the Assault Weapons Ban at any cost

> Your message has been received about S. 659 (Protection of Lawful
> Commerce in Arms Act) and the "assault weapons" ban.
> Unfortunately, you have apparently received disinformation from
> Rocky Mountain Gun Owners about these issues.
>
> While I have no idea where RMGO got their misinformation, the idea
> that anyone at the National Rifle Association is secretly
> supporting the Clinton gun ban is totally ridiculous. Such foolish
> lies are nothing but pararoid fantasy. In fact, we launched
> www.ClintonGunBan.com to supplement our serious and substantial
> efforts to guarantee that this gun ban expires on time.
>
> In his Firearms Coalition alert (www.NealKnox.com) this past
> Sunday, Neal Knox wrote:
>
> We've also been seeing an increase in hysterical speculation on
> the internet - stated as fact - that NRA and "the Republicans"
> have cut a deal to sell out gunowners.
>
> It ain't so.
>
> I worried out loud back in 2002 that there would be efforts to
> combine NRA's "No. 1 Priority" - S. 659 - with the Clinton gun ban
> reenactment. In January 2003 I buttonholed some people who would
> know. As I reported at the time, they flatly denied any deal had
> been made, or would be made "because as important as 659 is, it's
> not worth a gun ban."
>
> In April, at the annual meetings at Orlando, all the NRA brass,
> from President Kayne Robinson and Executive Vice President Wayne
> LaPierre on down, at every opportunity, put equal emphasis on
> passing S. 659 and preventing reenactment of the ban. (I was
> delighted to see they were even using my description,
> "reenactment" - which is what a new law would be.)
>
> This week, after the hysterical reports of a sellout started
> bouncing around the internet, I had a chat with someone in NRA who
> knows: "We seek to pass S. 659 as a clean bill and will not accept
> a Clinton gun ban extension - for ten years or ten minutes -- or
> the McCain-Reed 'gun show loophole' as the price for its passage."
>
> I am confident that there is no deal, and won't be one - not from
> NRA at least.
>
> In fact, all of us at the NRA are working extremely hard to
> protect the Second Amendment from gun ban activists, whether they
> push their anti-gun agenda through the courts or Congress. We
> appreciate your support in this fight and hope that you will call,
> e-mail and fax your two U.S. Senators to vote for passage of S.
> 659, for cloture (against a filibuster) and against any and all
> "poison pill" killer amendments, including reenactment of the
> Clinton gun ban or restrictions on gun shows.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nicki Fellenzer [nicki_f@direcway.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 8:18 PM
> To: NRA Federal Affairs
> Cc: Cunningham, Chuck
> Subject: Defeat the Assault Weapons Ban at any cost
>
>
>
>
> http://www.rmgo.org/liabilitydeal.html
>
> Sources claim that the NRA is making a secret deal to pass its pet
> legislation with the AW ban and gun show "loophole" amendments. I
> sincerely hope this isn't true, gentlemen. I sincerely hope that
> you won't sell gun owners out to declare political victory on the
> immunity bill.
>
> I would hope you'd kill it first, before letting another
> unconstitutional, fascist gun BAN pass.
>
> Do not betray your membership!
>
>
> Nicki Fellenzer
> Newslinks Director
> www.KeepAndBearArms.com