Request for CSPAN Junkies - Page 4

madmike · February 25, 2004, 12:46 PM

Well, Whinesteen certainly needs safeties on weapons, since she likes to sweep AKs across the audience to make her point.

Having no cable, I appreciate it the updates.

Now back to writing about snipers killing terrorists, with guns that have "no safety features."

I propose a mass mailing to Whinesteen and Scummer: panties. Everyone send them a pair of panties.

"These are to replace the ones you wet on the Senate floor on Feb 25th."

Hey, _I_ like it!

Nightfall · February 25, 2004, 12:48 PM

She keeps throwing out the statistic that 50% of guns used in crimes are bought in gunshops through straw purchases... I'd love to see a source for that.

The Undertoad · February 25, 2004, 12:52 PM

Screw going to class! Senator Sessions (R-Alabama) is kicking some serious tail!!!

starfuryzeta · February 25, 2004, 12:52 PM

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Considering they have about one hour left to file an amendment in our worst case scenario and only 30 hours left before the final vote, I'd say it looks like a lot of people were either way off on this one or we applied some serious arm-twisting.

Being stuck at work rightly sucks!

So, come 1pm, no amendments can be added?

If so, they've got about 7 or 8 minutes from time of this post.

madmike · February 25, 2004, 12:53 PM

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She keeps throwing out the statistic that 50% of guns used in crimes are bought in gunshops through straw purchases... I'd love to see a source for that.

And 50% of the booze drunk by minors is straw purchased at liquor stores, and 50% of the cars used by people with suspended licenses are loaned by family members. Obviously, we should immediately sue Anheuser-Busch and Ford.

You don't argue statistics with idiots. You use their logic as toilet paper, sneer at them and walk away.

Brett Bellmore · February 25, 2004, 12:54 PM

"She keeps throwing out the statistic that 50% of guns used in crimes are bought in gunshops through straw purchases... I'd love to see a source for that."

I wouldn't think that that's entirely impossible, since a gun dealer has absolutely no way to know you're making a straw purchase unless you happen to tell him. Though just the fact she claims it IS enough to make it dubious...

Bartholomew Roberts · February 25, 2004, 12:56 PM

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I'm not going to respond for RMGO, but what is it exactly that jacks KABA's credibility?

Well considering that you took the time to contact Chuck Cunningham, couldn't you have at least posted his response with the RMGO story? The RMGO story is factually inaccurate in at least one place as I have received NRA-ILA mailers on the subject and the rest of the support cited in the story is "thin" at best and that is being quite kind.

If KABA still felt that the danger here was something that had to be shared despite the questionable nature of the source, then why not at least include Mr. Cunningham's rebuttal?

madmike · February 25, 2004, 12:57 PM

HEYYYYYY!!!!!

100% of stupid, dangerous and unconstitutional federal laws are passed by the Senate. Senator Feinstein, we, the electorate MUST have recourse to sue those who damage our persons and our nation! Current law totally exempts Senators from lawsuits. This is dangerous and terrifying! Won't you address it for us?

Bartholomew Roberts · February 25, 2004, 12:59 PM

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So, come 1pm, no amendments can be added?

Depending on how you read it, it may already be too late; but at least one poster at AR15.com has said that they had talked to their Senator's office (Frist as a matter of fact) and that amendments HAD been filed already this morning. No further news on what those amendments were though. I have a call into my Senators as well.

If that is the case, then Senator Frist will get to determine whether those amendments are germane to the bill at hand. After that, any amendments he allows to proceed will go to the floor for a vote.

There is a 30-hour countdown on the bill now that started about an hour ago.

**Jeff White** · February 25, 2004, 01:00 PM

They just said they were going to get on to considering amendments this afternoon. Anyone know what other amendments have been filed?

Jeff

**Jeff White** · February 25, 2004, 01:02 PM

DeWine is speaking now...he is in opposition.....Imagine that...

Jeff

madmike · February 25, 2004, 01:02 PM

Because, Bart, the newslink came throught at 9 pm, and Mr Cunningham was not in his office until 9 am, and in the meantime, the Senate was getting ready to vote.

As Nicki said, that's what happens with updates--sometimes they're wrong, and you have to have the information to make a decision.

Now, we're glad the information was inaccurate, we've SAID we're glad the information was inaccurate, we're glad the NRA pulled off its part of this so far, we've SAID we're glad the NRA pulled off its part of this so far, and we'll consider the track record of RMGO next time.

What more do you want?

And we did contact our congressleeches.

What more do you want?

Tempest · February 25, 2004, 01:02 PM

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Well considering that you took the time to contact Chuck Cunningham, couldn't you have at least posted his response with the RMGO story? The RMGO story is factually inaccurate in at least one place as I have received NRA-ILA mailers on the subject and the rest of the support cited in the story is "thin" at best and that is being quite kind.

I didn't get a reply from Mr. Cunningham until this morning. If the RMGO story turned out to be true, it would have been a bit too late to do anything about it.

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If KABA still felt that the danger here was something that had to be shared despite the questionable nature of the source, then why not at least include Mr. Cunningham's rebuttal?

I plan on asking Angel to put it in an alert today when he gets to a computer (he's probably asleep). I'm at the office. I don't have the time or the resources here to do it myself. I shouldn't even be posting on this board right now. And again, I just received it this morning. I'm posting it here for you all to see first.

And it's not about the "danger" - it's about sharing information. Period. We did that. If it turns out false, I'm going to jump on the ceiling from joy, but we would be remiss in our duties if we didn't point to what is out there. So again, what is it that undermines our credibility?

The Undertoad · February 25, 2004, 01:04 PM

Great, DeWine just got on the floor...let's hear what he has to say.

Of course the bill bars them from coming to court with such frivolous lawsuits.

It would NOT fundamentally change our justice system, Senator DeWine. It would place responsibility square on the shoulders of the individual, where it should be and has been in the past.

The Undertoad · February 25, 2004, 01:06 PM

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They just said they were going to get on to considering amendments this afternoon. Anyone know what other amendments have been filed? Jeff

I heard that too.... I hope that we were correct and they don't get to add any.

geekWithA.45 · February 25, 2004, 01:06 PM

Does the 30 hour time limit run 24/7, or only while the Senate is convened?

**Jeff White** · February 25, 2004, 01:08 PM

Is DeWine an attorney? He seems to be against any tort reform. One of those, anyone should be able to sue anyone else over anything types...

Jeff

gruven · February 25, 2004, 01:08 PM

What in the

is DeWine even trying to say??? Does he even know?

Boats · February 25, 2004, 01:10 PM

I have been a harsh critic of KABA in the past, but I am cutting them some slack on this one. They do link just about everything under the sun, sometimes with commentary and sometimes without. I do not recall anything that could be read as an endorsement of the accuracy of RMGO's chicken little act.

RMGO is the goat here. Maybe on this one the KABA critics should contact RMGO directly and ask that they hold themselves to a higher standard before screeching.

Sippenhaft · February 25, 2004, 01:10 PM

I seriously am wondering what exact part of the "two hundred years" of tort law this Bill would overturn as DeWine states. I don't remember recovery possible from end-party misuse; maybe he took a different tort class then I did.

sturmruger · February 25, 2004, 01:12 PM

He just admitted that there are frivilous lawasuits against the gun industry!!!

The Undertoad · February 25, 2004, 01:17 PM

He just keeps repeating the same statements...

"I worry about the precedent we would set with this bill..."

"Just because we have the votes to do it doesn't make it right..."

So now we have a "great increase" in gun-tracing technology? Hey Senator, just because we have the technology doesn't make it right...

Daedalus · February 25, 2004, 01:18 PM

DeWine needs to go. Kick this RINO out. Gun dealers who do not follow the law are already criminally liable. Why does he want to find liability in people who follow the law?

Nightfall · February 25, 2004, 01:18 PM

Now DeWine is telling us that some gun dealers are panicking because of all the effective tracing tech coming online, and they want this law so they can wheel and deal their crime guns freely, and would deny their victims their day in court.

dustind · February 25, 2004, 01:19 PM

I am home, and finally on a big monitor. Dewine is lieing like a... never mind.

He is talking about ballistic technology being the thing that will show that gun mfgs are responsible.

He said: In the future we will be able to trace them, and gun mfgs. know this.

It is retroactive, how dare we, how arrogent...

Back to me: "The DC snipers victims suit was good", what the heck. Maybe the dealer, but not the mfg.

February 25, 2004, 12:46 PM	#76
madmike Member Join Date: January 5, 2003 Location: In a well-equipped suburban bunker Posts: 2,036	Well, Whinesteen certainly needs safeties on weapons, since she likes to sweep AKs across the audience to make her point. Having no cable, I appreciate it the updates. Now back to writing about snipers killing terrorists, with guns that have "no safety features." I propose a mass mailing to Whinesteen and Scummer: panties. Everyone send them a pair of panties. "These are to replace the ones you wet on the Senate floor on Feb 25th." Hey, _I_ like it! __________________ http://SharpPointyThings.com http://www.MichaelZWilliamson.com FREEHOLD, Jan 04 from Baen Books THE WEAPON, Aug 05 from Baen Books CONFIRMED KILL, Sep 05 from HarperCollins BETTER TO BEG FORGIVENESS..., Winter 07 from Baen Books ~~~ "The Finest battle implement ever devised." Ung the Caveman on the M1 Pointy Stick.

February 25, 2004, 12:48 PM	#77
Nightfall Member Join Date: February 24, 2003 Location: WA Posts: 1,819	She keeps throwing out the statistic that 50% of guns used in crimes are bought in gunshops through straw purchases... I'd love to see a source for that. __________________ Peace is good. Freedom is better. "Now now, perfectly symmetrical violence never solved anything." - Futurama

February 25, 2004, 12:52 PM	#78
The Undertoad Member Join Date: September 27, 2003 Location: VA Posts: 410	Screw going to class! Senator Sessions (R-Alabama) is kicking some serious tail!!! __________________ Andrew

February 25, 2004, 12:54 PM	#81
Brett Bellmore Member Join Date: December 28, 2002 Location: Capac, Michigan Posts: 979	"She keeps throwing out the statistic that 50% of guns used in crimes are bought in gunshops through straw purchases... I'd love to see a source for that." I wouldn't think that that's entirely impossible, since a gun dealer has absolutely no way to know you're making a straw purchase unless you happen to tell him. Though just the fact she claims it IS enough to make it dubious... __________________ Sic Semper Tyrannis!

February 25, 2004, 12:57 PM	#83
madmike Member Join Date: January 5, 2003 Location: In a well-equipped suburban bunker Posts: 2,036	HEYYYYYY!!!!! 100% of stupid, dangerous and unconstitutional federal laws are passed by the Senate. Senator Feinstein, we, the electorate MUST have recourse to sue those who damage our persons and our nation! Current law totally exempts Senators from lawsuits. This is dangerous and terrifying! Won't you address it for us? __________________ http://SharpPointyThings.com http://www.MichaelZWilliamson.com FREEHOLD, Jan 04 from Baen Books THE WEAPON, Aug 05 from Baen Books CONFIRMED KILL, Sep 05 from HarperCollins BETTER TO BEG FORGIVENESS..., Winter 07 from Baen Books ~~~ "The Finest battle implement ever devised." Ung the Caveman on the M1 Pointy Stick.

February 25, 2004, 01:00 PM	#85
Jeff White Moderator Join Date: December 24, 2002 Location: Alma Illinois Posts: 10,866	They just said they were going to get on to considering amendments this afternoon. Anyone know what other amendments have been filed? Jeff

February 25, 2004, 01:02 PM	#86
Jeff White Moderator Join Date: December 24, 2002 Location: Alma Illinois Posts: 10,866	DeWine is speaking now...he is in opposition.....Imagine that... Jeff

February 25, 2004, 01:04 PM	#89
The Undertoad Member Join Date: September 27, 2003 Location: VA Posts: 410	Great, DeWine just got on the floor...let's hear what he has to say. Of course the bill bars them from coming to court with such frivolous lawsuits. It would NOT fundamentally change our justice system, Senator DeWine. It would place responsibility square on the shoulders of the individual, where it should be and has been in the past. __________________ Andrew

February 25, 2004, 01:06 PM	#91
geekWithA.45 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: January 1, 2003 Location: SE PA Posts: 6,907	Procedureal Question: Does the 30 hour time limit run 24/7, or only while the Senate is convened? __________________ The Second Amendment is an intrinsic, inextricable part of the system of checks and balances upon which our Republic is based. --- Didja ever notice that while psychos might try to kill everyone at the mall or the cafeteria, they never try that nonsense at NRA meetings? --- Fight smart. Not dumb. Smart. --- http://geekWithA45.blogspot.com

February 25, 2004, 01:08 PM	#92
Jeff White Moderator Join Date: December 24, 2002 Location: Alma Illinois Posts: 10,866	Is DeWine an attorney? He seems to be against any tort reform. One of those, anyone should be able to sue anyone else over anything types... Jeff

February 25, 2004, 01:08 PM	#93
gruven Member Join Date: December 27, 2002 Location: southeast PA Posts: 40	What in the is DeWine even trying to say??? Does he even know?

February 25, 2004, 01:10 PM	#94
Boats member Join Date: December 29, 2002 Location: Oregon Posts: 3,707	I have been a harsh critic of KABA in the past, but I am cutting them some slack on this one. They do link just about everything under the sun, sometimes with commentary and sometimes without. I do not recall anything that could be read as an endorsement of the accuracy of RMGO's chicken little act. RMGO is the goat here. Maybe on this one the KABA critics should contact RMGO directly and ask that they hold themselves to a higher standard before screeching.

February 25, 2004, 01:10 PM	#95
Sippenhaft Member Join Date: November 24, 2003 Location: Cleveland, Ohio; Home of the Great Lakes Brewery Posts: 28	I seriously am wondering what exact part of the "two hundred years" of tort law this Bill would overturn as DeWine states. I don't remember recovery possible from end-party misuse; maybe he took a different tort class then I did.

February 25, 2004, 01:12 PM	#96
sturmruger Member Join Date: January 4, 2003 Location: NW, WI Posts: 3,046	He just admitted that there are frivilous lawasuits against the gun industry!!! __________________ STEYR and XD Afficionado

February 25, 2004, 01:17 PM	#97
The Undertoad Member Join Date: September 27, 2003 Location: VA Posts: 410	He just keeps repeating the same statements... "I worry about the precedent we would set with this bill..." "Just because we have the votes to do it doesn't make it right..." So now we have a "great increase" in gun-tracing technology? Hey Senator, just because we have the technology doesn't make it right... __________________ Andrew

February 25, 2004, 01:18 PM	#98
Daedalus Member Join Date: July 23, 2003 Location: Gainesville, Florida Posts: 520	DeWine needs to go. Kick this RINO out. Gun dealers who do not follow the law are already criminally liable. Why does he want to find liability in people who follow the law? __________________ Ceci n'est pas une sig

February 25, 2004, 01:19 PM	#100
dustind Member Join Date: January 11, 2003 Location: St. Michael, MN Posts: 1,581	I am home, and finally on a big monitor. Dewine is lieing like a... never mind. He is talking about ballistic technology being the thing that will show that gun mfgs are responsible. He said: In the future we will be able to trace them, and gun mfgs. know this. It is retroactive, how dare we, how arrogent... Back to me: "The DC snipers victims suit was good", what the heck. Maybe the dealer, but not the mfg.

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