Calif: Ammo registration passed, time for veto of SB 1152

[Can'thavenuthingood]

VOTES - ROLL CALL
MEASURE: SB 1152
AUTHOR: Scott
TOPIC: Ammunition.
DATE: 08/27/2004
LOCATION: SEN. FLOOR
MOTION: UNFINISHED BUSINESS- SB1152 Scott
(AYES 21. NOES 15.) (PASS)
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The Analysis:

http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/...sen_floor.html


SUPPORT : (Verified 8/27/04)

City of Los Angeles (source)
Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence
California Police Chiefs Association
Children's Defense Fund
Coalition to Stop Gun Violence
League of California Cities
Legal Community Against Gun Violence
Los Angeles County Sheriff's Office
Los Angeles District Attorney's Office
Los Angeles Mayor James Hahn
Los Angeles Police Department
Marin County Sheriff's Office
San Mateo County Sheriff's Office
State Attorney General
State Department of Justice
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This will be interesting.

SB 1152 passed and it's on the way to the Governors desk. Who is sitting in the chair at time of arrival?

As I've mentioned in a past post, the "League of California Cities" is an org most of your city councils have signed onto. The National League of Cities covers all the US. http://www.nlc.org/nlc_org/site/

What is your city council up to?
Do you know which of your council members is pro or anti gun?

One of my council members at the last meeting in a strong loud confident voice stated that he is against California's citizen initiative process and that we should support our state Assembly and Senators. Up until this moment, this guy was relatively meek and mild mannered. Now he has the pulpit. He has 2 more years before his seat is up for election. I'm taking notes.

Vick

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SB 1140 passed the Senate and the Assembly also.

The Analysis:

http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/...sen_floor.html

This bill (1) amends criminal storage of firearm
laws to add a new misdemeanor crime for keeping a handgun
where a person knows or reasonably should have known a
child is likely to gain access to it, and does, and (2)
creates a new alternate misdemeanor/felony ("wobbler") in
Penal Code Section 12035 for a storage of a firearm in
proximity to ammunition.

SUPPORT : (Verified 8/27/04)

Brady Campaign for the Prevention of Gun Violence United
with the Million Mom March (co-source)
Coalition to Stop Gun Violence (co-source)
Firearms Law Center
Placer County District Attorney
Los Angeles District Attorney
American Academy of Pediatrics
Trauma Foundation


VOTES - ROLL CALL (Senate)
MEASURE: SB 1140
AUTHOR: Scott
TOPIC: Firearms: minors.
DATE: 08/27/2004
LOCATION: SEN. FLOOR
MOTION: UNFINISHED BUSINESS- SB1140 Scott
(AYES 21. NOES 15.) (PASS)


AYES
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Alarcon Alpert Bowen Burton
Chesbro Dunn Escutia Figueroa
Karnette Kuehl Machado Murray
Ortiz Perata Romero Scott
Sher Soto Speier Torlakson
Vasconcellos

VOTES - ROLL CALL (Assembly)
MEASURE: SB 1140
AUTHOR: Scott
TOPIC: Firearms: minors.
DATE: 08/27/2004
LOCATION: ASM. FLOOR
MOTION: SB 1140 Scott Senate Third Reading By Steinberg
(AYES 41. NOES 34.) (PASS)


AYES
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Berg Bermudez Calderon Chan
Chavez Chu Cohn Corbett
Diaz Dutra Dymally Firebaugh
Frommer Goldberg Hancock Jerome Horton
Jackson Kehoe Laird Leno
Levine Lieber Liu Longville
Lowenthal Montanez Mullin Nakano
Nation Oropeza Pavley Reyes
Ridley-Thomas Salinas Steinberg Vargas
Wesson Wiggins Wolk Yee
Nunez


My guys voted no.

Vick

[redhead]

Hancock and Torlakson - both Aye. Guess they didn't care too much about my opinion.

[fjolnirsson]

[matthew]

The fact that these bills come so soon after the passage of AB50 by ghost-voting, I suspect they may well have passed the same way. Was anyone watching the vote?

I wrote a letter to the governor of California about AB-50 (the .50 ban) when it passed, asking him to veto it:
http://www.triggerfinger.org/weblog/entry/5753.jsp

I've also written a follow-up asking him to investigate these two bills for the same problem,
and veto them as well if they were passed the same way: http://www.triggerfinger.org/weblog/entry/5756.jsp

Go send your own. Maybe we can encourage Arnold to grow a spine on this issue. It's hard enough to stop gun control in CA without the Democrats cheating.

[joe4702]

My letter to the Gov regarding AB50 went out in the mail Friday. Guess it's time to write another one. We'll see if it's going to be business as usual or if Arnold is going to be his own man, apply logic and common sense and veto these bills. My guess is he's all about image and won't risk being demonized by the media for vetoing these bills and "endangering the chillrun." Let's face it - most of the general population here doesn't give a rats behind about gun rights.

Does anyone know if SB1152 will affect mail-order sales?

[matthew]

it's hard to say. The language says "retail", which to me implies a storefront, but retail is probably defined elsewhere as something specific.

[Cacique500]

Insane

[Standing Wolf]

I'm sure I'll always miss the temperate climate and beaches.

I occasionally buy ammunition in drug stores in Colorado. I take it off the shelf, continue shopping, pay for everything, and don't even have to show my driver's license when I write a check.

[El Rojo]

Where did this flurry of anti-gun legislation come from? Well the good news is we will soon know whether the governor really wants to turn this state around or not. I sort of hope the ammunition thing goes through, the people of this state need a wake up call to realize we are losing our fight here. Then again, if it gets vetoed, we are suddenly holding ground. Either way, mail order is still the way to go!

[Pilgrim]

I sort of hope the ammunition thing goes through, the people of this state need a wake up call to realize we are losing our fight here.

The average Californian doesn't give a s**t what happens with regards to gun laws until there is a riot like the Rodney King affair. Then he is stunned to find out there is a waiting period to buy any gun.

Pilgrim

[Telperion]

Does anyone have sample letters to send to the governator? Might as well send out one each for AB50 and now this at the same time.

El Rojo- No. If people haven't woken up yet, this won't stir them. If this bill is signed, mail order will work until Lockyer sends threatening nastygrams to online resellers, just like what happened in Massachusetts. Will you be glad then?

[matthew]

The links I posted earlier in the thread have sample letters.

[R.H. Lee]

Arnold should veto it. This state cannot afford another layer of bureacracy. As for Lockyer, his days are numbered. The dem party is beginning to lose its grip here-big scandal emerging with gun grabber Kevin Shelley, Sec of State, and Lockyer's lapdog.

[El Rojo]

Pipsqueak, we might be surprised by the number of recreational shooters out there that suddenly have to put up with a bunch of bullcrap. Suddenly it isn't about assault weapons or .50 calibers. It is about having to go through a bunch of bull crap to buy a box of 12 gauge trap loads. This ammo thing is big enough it might wake some people up.

Of course I have given Californians too much credit before. Either way, my assemblyman voted no and I have sent my letters to the governor. All I can do now is sit back and watch the show and tell a few of my friends to do the same.

Will I be glad? You know as much as I do we mainly just get to ride the ride around here. Just one more thing to deal with in a crappy state. Not much we can do about it. Lets see if Arnold actually wants to make a change or not. Heck even Gray Davis vetoed some gun bills after SB23 and SB15.

[4570Rick]

My guy voted NO and Lou Correa is a Dem.

[RevDisk]

What are the exact effects of the implementation of SB 1152?

[redhead]

What are the exact effects of the implementation of SB 1152?

For starters, law abiding citiizens are treated no differently they sex offenders, by having to register to buy ammo, fingerprint and all. It is a huge infringement on liberty.

As to the exact effects on other aspects, such as businesses, I can only speculate. I would guess that a lot of small businesses would simply stop selling ammunition because of the increased paperwork burden, which would cut into profit margins. Staff would have to be trained to comply with the new law and resulting regulations, which costs money and reduces efficiency.

I would also imagine that there would be a lot more people driving to Nevada and Oregon to stock up on ammo to avoid being treated like criminals. I would also guess that more people would begin reloading their own. I don't know what the law says about purchasing the components - I skimmed the bill, but didn't see specifically where components would bee affected. It does say "bullets", so perhaps you'd have to give up a thumprint and personal info to buy the bullets, but not the power. Dunno. If the bill is signed, then the DOJ will have to write relations to administer the piece of excrement, and if the law is written with sufficient vagueness, it gives the bureaucrats a lot of maneuvering room.

I certainly don't think that the Founding Fathers and framers of the Constitution thought that requiring United States citizens to give over fingerprints and personal information would be just fine and dandy, and constitutes "reasonable, common sense gun control".

Both of my so-called "representatives" voted for this liberty-killing travesty. I faxxed, called and emailed, so at least I voice my opposition. Not that it mattered.

[K-Romulus]

The bill requires you to list your name & drivers license info.

Those two things together, in the wrong hands, can put someone in a world of hurt.

From http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2000/08/caidttest.htm

The testimony notes that the most common forms of identity theft reported by California consumers during the first nine months operation of the FTC database were:

Government Documents or Benefits - Approximately 8 percent of consumers reported that an identity thief had obtained or forged government documents or benefits - such as drivers licenses - in their name.

[jnojr]

The quick-and-easy way to voice your opinion:

http://www.govmail.ca.gov/

[Drjones]

Is this a joke?????

[Ben Shepherd]

Good gravy, you guys have got it rough.

That line in the sand we all discuss? I'll tell you this, that bill is cleary over it in my case.

Good luck, this is a rough blow to take.

Let the rest of us know if a veto's possible.

Where's Jim March on this one?

[redhead]

Where's Jim March on this one?

Jim March has been collecting information, doing research on areas that have similar laws at the request of Arnold's staff. There are a couple of threads here where Jim has been asking for information.

Can we sell Kalifornia back to Mexico and New Dork back to England now?

[El Rojo]

If you sell us back to Mexico, then the Mexicans will start hopping the border to the next state. Lets assume Arizona. Once Arizona is gone, you only have New Mexico in the way before they start coming your way. This country needs a dumping ground for illegal aliens and liberals and you might as well keep California it.

[fjolnirsson]