E-bay rule change

craigz · May 28, 2004, 10:11 PM

I just received this email from Ebay:

Quote:

New Guidelines

The following guideline changes, which limit what can be sold on eBay, will take effect June 8th, 2004:

The sale of any assault weapon-related parts or accessories will not be permitted (applies to all parts and accessories related to any firearm defined as an "assault weapon" by federal or California law).

The sale of any firearm receiver or firearm frame will not be permitted (whether complete receivers and frames, components and parts of receivers and frames, or "cut," "80%," or "partially complete" receivers).

Wildalaska · May 28, 2004, 10:26 PM

Hmm I didnt get that

WildsellsalotonebayAlaska

Sportcat · May 28, 2004, 10:35 PM

Just got it...

Important Notice: Hunting Guidelines and Category Changes

New Guidelines
The following guideline changes, which limit what can be sold on eBay, will take effect June 8th, 2004:

The sale of any assault weapon-related parts or accessories will not be permitted (applies to all parts and accessories related to any firearm defined as an "assault weapon" by federal or California law).
The sale of any firearm receiver or firearm frame will not be permitted (whether complete receivers and frames, components and parts of receivers and frames, or "cut," "80%," or "partially complete" receivers).
Category Changes
In order to improve the ability of buyers to find your items, the category structure of the Hunting category has been expanded to include the creation of three separate categories for Gun Related items:

Gun Safety & Storage
Gun Parts
Gun Accessories
The Scopes, Optics, Taxidermy, Reloading Equipment & Vintage categories have also been expanded. For more information you may view the whole list of new categories.
Regards,

eBay

MtrCty · May 28, 2004, 11:17 PM

I received this as an e-mail today from E-Bay:

Important Notice: Hunting Guidelines and Category Changes

New Guidelines
The following guideline changes, which limit what can be sold on eBay, will take effect June 8th, 2004:

The sale of any assault weapon-related parts or accessories will not be permitted (applies to all parts and accessories related to any firearm defined as an "assault weapon" by federal or California law).
The sale of any firearm receiver or firearm frame will not be permitted (whether complete receivers and frames, components and parts of receivers and frames, or "cut," "80%," or "partially complete" receivers).
Category Changes
In order to improve the ability of buyers to find your items, the category structure of the Hunting category has been expanded to include the creation of three separate categories for Gun Related items:

Gun Safety & Storage
Gun Parts
Gun Accessories
The Scopes, Optics, Taxidermy, Reloading Equipment & Vintage categories have also been expanded. For more information you may view the whole list of new categories.
Regards,

eBay

Diggler · May 28, 2004, 11:19 PM

I like how everyone treats Kalifornia as its own country equal to the rest of the United States.

Use gunbroker instead, support those who support you.

N3rday · May 28, 2004, 11:27 PM

Everyone who is a member of EBAY please send them a piece of your mind!

Standing Wolf · May 28, 2004, 11:48 PM

I don't ever do business with anti-Second Amendment bigots. If E-Bay wanted my dollars, it would treat me with respect rather than contempt.

MacPelto · May 29, 2004, 12:05 AM

My, how things change. You know, I once bought a gun (muzzleloader) off ebay. This was quite some time ago...terrible.

Harumph.

Michael Zeleny · May 29, 2004, 12:11 AM

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I don't ever do business with anti-Second Amendment bigots. If E-Bay wanted my dollars, it would treat me with respect rather than contempt.

No bigotry needs be involved in a business decision aiming to maximize shareholder value by lessening potential legal liability. Emotional responses and arrogation of the high ground are unlikely to weigh in against the bottom line.

craigz · May 29, 2004, 01:29 AM

Spoken like a true puppet of the managerial elite.

Zundfolge · May 29, 2004, 01:36 AM

What would be the reason for selling gun related stuff on Ebay instead of Gunbroker?

Michael Zeleny · May 29, 2004, 01:46 AM

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Spoken like a true puppet of the managerial elite.

Anyone capable of imputing attitudes of respect and contempt to limited liability entities would be well advised to leave his teeth under the pillow as tokens of humble obeisance to the Colgate fairy.

wintermute76 · May 29, 2004, 01:48 AM

I was just going to post this same thing. Kinda sucks, I got a good deal on some Rem 788 magazines a while back.

Tho I don't like their politics, they do have wider recognition than gunbroker.

TheOtherOne · May 29, 2004, 02:03 AM

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The sale of any assault weapon-related parts or accessories will not be permitted (applies to all parts and accessories related to any firearm defined as an "assault weapon" by federal or California law).

I can't wait until somebody starts turning in all the auctions that are selling something like a rifle sling that happens to be able to fit an evil California defined assault weapon (say an unaltered Yugo-SKS).

Chip Dixon · May 29, 2004, 02:54 AM

It's nice what they teach at Harvard nowadays. Profit over ethics..

2nd Amendment · May 29, 2004, 02:58 AM

Regardless, the point remains that ebay has chosen to NOT do business with a certain LEGAL and LAW ABIDING segment of the market according to a nebulous definition of a non-existent item. As such that customer segment, which carries with it the power of millions of dollars, is free to take their power of the purse elsewhere. It is indeed about the bottom line and while ebay almost certainly will not see a dime in increased profits, nor have they lost a dime due to liability, they WILL lose dollars over this.

So be it. My ebay acct is done. Their choice, my response.

Michael Zeleny · May 29, 2004, 03:03 AM

Quote:

It's nice what they teach at Harvard nowadays. Profit over ethics..

I am not advocating anything beyond a realistic appraisal of corporate motives.

Wildalaska · May 29, 2004, 04:15 AM

Ebay is free like any other corporation to do what is wants in its best corporate interest...

If this Board, becasue of potential liability issues, chose to eliminate "buy and sell" adds, would you boycott it?

Whatever, My undersatnding that 80 % receivers etc were always not permitted on ebay.

If anyone has a TRUE auction site other than ebay that permits firearms and more importantly parts and the like let me know.

Wildgonnashootmyswedem41btomorrowAlaska

Croyance · May 29, 2004, 04:41 AM

Yes, there is at least one other thread on this.

They are a buisness, which you do not have to patronize. I won't let people smoke in my home and I don't believe that makes me a facist. They haven't taken anything from you, they are merely not letting you use their services for something. How is this so different from signs that reserve the right not to serve customers, or deny customers service if they have no shoes or shirt?
They were never supportive of gun rights to begin with. Gunbroker, Guns America, and other sites exist for firearms transactions. Why not support somebody who is at least monetarily supportive of your rights?
They probably don't want any liability or bad publicity. They might be concerned that another Dylan & Kebold get guns through them.

None of this is intended to make you sympathetic to their situation.

Minion82 · May 29, 2004, 04:48 AM

I guess I'll have to dust off my gunbroker account after June 8th.

WonderNine · May 29, 2004, 04:49 AM

Because people who don't have the money or knowledge to boycott these establishments are at their mercy. Money equals power. I don't see how private home/land ownership can be equated to global franchises unless you've been brainwashed in entirety by Rush Limbaugh.

I love Ebay and I love what it offers. I hate them and Paypal's terms of agreement, (same globalist terms, same corporation) but the best course of action is to try and change it. Boycotting is not an option for most people in the real world.

Boycotting or suggesting a boycott is a copout. A total and complete right wing, brainwashed, lazy copout.

gunsmith · May 29, 2004, 05:08 AM

An assault weapon really is,especially the anti's...it can't last.
Money is the bottom line and they're capitalist

sitkablacktail · May 29, 2004, 05:19 AM

My god how will I add to me Bennie baby collection if I shy away from EBAY.

WonderNine · May 29, 2004, 05:23 AM

Btw, I meant "right wing" in stupid media generalization sort of way. Just so the point would get across.

Michael Zeleny · May 29, 2004, 05:43 AM

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So be it. My ebay acct is done. Their choice, my response.

I felt the same way when Ebay first stopped listing firearms. Then I considered their fealty to greedy corporate gnomes, and chose to continue using my account.

May 28, 2004, 11:17 PM	#4
MtrCty Member Join Date: June 9, 2003 Location: Detroit Metro area Posts: 78	E-bay rule change I received this as an e-mail today from E-Bay: Important Notice: Hunting Guidelines and Category Changes New Guidelines The following guideline changes, which limit what can be sold on eBay, will take effect June 8th, 2004: The sale of any assault weapon-related parts or accessories will not be permitted (applies to all parts and accessories related to any firearm defined as an "assault weapon" by federal or California law). The sale of any firearm receiver or firearm frame will not be permitted (whether complete receivers and frames, components and parts of receivers and frames, or "cut," "80%," or "partially complete" receivers). Category Changes In order to improve the ability of buyers to find your items, the category structure of the Hunting category has been expanded to include the creation of three separate categories for Gun Related items: Gun Safety & Storage Gun Parts Gun Accessories The Scopes, Optics, Taxidermy, Reloading Equipment & Vintage categories have also been expanded. For more information you may view the whole list of new categories. Regards, eBay

May 28, 2004, 11:19 PM	#5
Diggler Member Join Date: January 21, 2004 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,293	I like how everyone treats Kalifornia as its own country equal to the rest of the United States. Use gunbroker instead, support those who support you. __________________ Liberalism is a mental disorder.

May 28, 2004, 11:48 PM	#7
Standing Wolf Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 23,224	I don't ever do business with anti-Second Amendment bigots. If E-Bay wanted my dollars, it would treat me with respect rather than contempt. __________________ No tyrant should ever be allowed to die a natural death.

May 29, 2004, 01:36 AM	#11
Zundfolge Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 8,953	What would be the reason for selling gun related stuff on Ebay instead of Gunbroker? __________________ Modern liberalism is based on the idea that reality is obligated conform to our beliefs because "we have the right to believe whatever we want". Forget "Going Galt" I say we "Go Danneskjöld" \| Imagine a world with no guns!

May 29, 2004, 05:08 AM	#22
gunsmith member Join Date: May 8, 2003 Location: Reno, Nevada Posts: 5,912	No one knows what An assault weapon really is,especially the anti's...it can't last. Money is the bottom line and they're capitalist

May 28, 2004, 10:26 PM	#2
Wildalaska member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Location: Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 5,299	Hmm I didnt get that WildsellsalotonebayAlaska

May 28, 2004, 10:35 PM	#3
Sportcat Member Join Date: December 26, 2002 Location: Anderson, SC Posts: 899	Just got it... Important Notice: Hunting Guidelines and Category Changes New Guidelines The following guideline changes, which limit what can be sold on eBay, will take effect June 8th, 2004: The sale of any assault weapon-related parts or accessories will not be permitted (applies to all parts and accessories related to any firearm defined as an "assault weapon" by federal or California law). The sale of any firearm receiver or firearm frame will not be permitted (whether complete receivers and frames, components and parts of receivers and frames, or "cut," "80%," or "partially complete" receivers). Category Changes In order to improve the ability of buyers to find your items, the category structure of the Hunting category has been expanded to include the creation of three separate categories for Gun Related items: Gun Safety & Storage Gun Parts Gun Accessories The Scopes, Optics, Taxidermy, Reloading Equipment & Vintage categories have also been expanded. For more information you may view the whole list of new categories. Regards, eBay

May 28, 2004, 11:27 PM	#6
N3rday Member Join Date: November 17, 2003 Location: TX Posts: 770	Everyone who is a member of EBAY please send them a piece of your mind!

May 29, 2004, 12:05 AM	#8
MacPelto Member Join Date: January 1, 2003 Location: The Great State of Texas Posts: 616	My, how things change. You know, I once bought a gun (muzzleloader) off ebay. This was quite some time ago...terrible. Harumph.

May 29, 2004, 01:29 AM	#10
craigz Member Join Date: December 29, 2002 Posts: 148	Spoken like a true puppet of the managerial elite.

May 29, 2004, 01:48 AM	#13
wintermute76 Member Join Date: July 11, 2003 Location: Hibbing MN Posts: 326	I was just going to post this same thing. Kinda sucks, I got a good deal on some Rem 788 magazines a while back. Tho I don't like their politics, they do have wider recognition than gunbroker.

May 29, 2004, 02:54 AM	#15
Chip Dixon Member Join Date: February 3, 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 131	It's nice what they teach at Harvard nowadays. Profit over ethics..

May 29, 2004, 02:58 AM	#16
2nd Amendment member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,930	Regardless, the point remains that ebay has chosen to NOT do business with a certain LEGAL and LAW ABIDING segment of the market according to a nebulous definition of a non-existent item. As such that customer segment, which carries with it the power of millions of dollars, is free to take their power of the purse elsewhere. It is indeed about the bottom line and while ebay almost certainly will not see a dime in increased profits, nor have they lost a dime due to liability, they WILL lose dollars over this. So be it. My ebay acct is done. Their choice, my response.

May 29, 2004, 04:15 AM	#18
Wildalaska member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Location: Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 5,299	Ebay is free like any other corporation to do what is wants in its best corporate interest... If this Board, becasue of potential liability issues, chose to eliminate "buy and sell" adds, would you boycott it? Whatever, My undersatnding that 80 % receivers etc were always not permitted on ebay. If anyone has a TRUE auction site other than ebay that permits firearms and more importantly parts and the like let me know. Wildgonnashootmyswedem41btomorrowAlaska

May 29, 2004, 04:41 AM	#19
Croyance Member Join Date: December 27, 2002 Posts: 1,160	Yes, there is at least one other thread on this. They are a buisness, which you do not have to patronize. I won't let people smoke in my home and I don't believe that makes me a facist. They haven't taken anything from you, they are merely not letting you use their services for something. How is this so different from signs that reserve the right not to serve customers, or deny customers service if they have no shoes or shirt? They were never supportive of gun rights to begin with. Gunbroker, Guns America, and other sites exist for firearms transactions. Why not support somebody who is at least monetarily supportive of your rights? They probably don't want any liability or bad publicity. They might be concerned that another Dylan & Kebold get guns through them. None of this is intended to make you sympathetic to their situation.

May 29, 2004, 04:48 AM	#20
Minion82 Member Join Date: September 19, 2003 Location: CT Posts: 37	I guess I'll have to dust off my gunbroker account after June 8th.

May 29, 2004, 04:49 AM	#21
WonderNine member Join Date: December 27, 2002 Location: always offline! Posts: 4,335	Because people who don't have the money or knowledge to boycott these establishments are at their mercy. Money equals power. I don't see how private home/land ownership can be equated to global franchises unless you've been brainwashed in entirety by Rush Limbaugh. I love Ebay and I love what it offers. I hate them and Paypal's terms of agreement, (same globalist terms, same corporation) but the best course of action is to try and change it. Boycotting is not an option for most people in the real world. Boycotting or suggesting a boycott is a copout. A total and complete right wing, brainwashed, lazy copout.

May 29, 2004, 05:19 AM	#23
sitkablacktail Member Join Date: April 3, 2004 Location: hiddenfalls alaska Posts: 47	My god how will I add to me Bennie baby collection if I shy away from EBAY.

May 29, 2004, 05:23 AM	#24
WonderNine member Join Date: December 27, 2002 Location: always offline! Posts: 4,335	Btw, I meant "right wing" in stupid media generalization sort of way. Just so the point would get across.

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