Can I put a pistol grip stock on a Saiga without drilling new holes?

5ptdeerhunter · October 20, 2004, 07:34 PM

I like the idea of having a pistol grip stock. But I really like the look of the gun the way it is. I just got it yesterday. I like the pistol grip because my friend has one on his vepr and the gun just handles so nicely.

I do not want to have new holes drilled in my gun to accomadate a pistol grip stock though. Is there a different stock out there where I wouldn't have to do any modicfications to the gun.

I was also wondering, what if I bought a stock for a shotgun and just made some modifications to it to make it fit the holes where the stock is attacted to now? Would it work? I wouldn't think there would be too much recoil on it. It is only in 7.62x39. Or am I just being foolish?

Thank you kindly,

Mike

ckyllo · October 21, 2004, 10:16 AM

in order to put a pistol grip on it you are looking at doing some mods to it anyway. you will first have to get the US parts count up to the '89 standards 5 i think. according th the folks at gunsnet.net ak-47 boards, a standard ak pistol grip wont just bolt on to a saiga. IIRC to get a ak grip to work you have to move the trigger group back to make any pistol grip and stock hook up and look right. it is good advice to have a gunsmith do the work unless you are at a skill level that is near a gunsmith level ( a couple of builds under your belt). I dont know on using a sgun stock, but if it has a pistol grip you still need the US part count. I would enjoy the gun the way it is. buy a vepr also cause you can never have too many guns.

hope this helps

P.S. I heard that 30 rd mags might soon be avaible for the saiga soon.

Daedalus · October 21, 2004, 10:19 AM

Apparently, high caps are available now

http://www.eaacorp.com/parts/Magazines/smag.shtml

Hm, better move that 308 Saiga near the top of my EBR list.

KadicDeshi · October 21, 2004, 01:35 PM

Actually, according to the guys at www.forum.saiga-12.com, all of the higher capacity magazines are on backorder. Several of them are assuming that EAA hasn't received shipment of any magazines yet. Just an FYI.

Oh, and that same board has a link to a step by step walkthrough for converting a saiga rifle to pistol grip. Also, at least one of the members has made his own thumbhole type stock that doesn't require moving the triggergroup. Something to think about if you are handy.

Barrett

ckyllo · October 21, 2004, 02:06 PM

a benefit to a thumbhole stock is that you wont have the US part count to deal with. just somthing to consider.

5ptdeerhunter · October 21, 2004, 02:09 PM

Also a my friend who has a vepr and a saiga 20ga told me that there is a tool that came with his to put in a hole near the rear site so that you can remove some of the parts. I didn't get a tool like he mentioned. I did get a thing that looks like it is for pounding pins out.

What is my friend talking about? And do I need it?

Master Blaster · October 21, 2004, 02:27 PM

Both mine came with a black pin punch, thats what he is talking about, it was in the cleaning kit.

You dont need the pin punch to do any normal disassembly for cleaning

Harry Tuttle · October 21, 2004, 08:22 PM

theres an Ace pistol grip that mounts aft of the hunter trigger
http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=1688

possenti · October 21, 2004, 10:51 PM

Just drill the holes. You won't be disappointed with the results. I successfully converted mine over the weekend, and I consider myself very clumsy around sharp, pointy tools. Here's a link to the conversion. It's much easier than it looks.

http://www.cross-conn.com/Saiga_Conversion/

Redlg155 · October 21, 2004, 11:05 PM

The conversion process is relatively simple. Just take your time. The hardest part would be to drill out the spot welds. The rest is pretty easy.

Just a bit more and I'll have my .308 finished.

Good Shooting
Red

mrapathy2000 · October 22, 2004, 01:44 AM

hicap mags for saiga's are backordered. best option is still converting to 4-5 US parts 5 parts with pistol grip. dremel+drill its pretty easy though good luck finding a parts kit they are sold out due to AWB sunsetting and massive ammount of projects upstarting.

few people on forum.saiga-12.com make stocks for saiga rifles/shotgun with pistol grip. might be able to buy one.

fistful · October 22, 2004, 02:18 AM

I'm very curious. I don't know a lot about the Saiga, but I want one only because it DOESN'T have an assault rifle pistol grip. What is so great about the Saiga that you want to convert it, rather than trading for a normal AK?

grendelbane · October 22, 2004, 07:31 AM

The Saiga with a pistol grip is shorter. I feel it balances better. The conventional AK trigger feels much better than the Saiga trigger does.

For a 7.62 x 39 without a pistol grip I would recommend an SKS.

For rifles, there are many choices. If you want a Kalashnikov action shotgun Saiga is the only game in town.

RamboOntario · June 13, 2009, 04:46 PM

here you go

nalioth · June 13, 2009, 05:08 PM

Dude, the thread is

5 YEARS OLD

Not only that, but you're linking to a LINK FARM. A site that exists just to mislead folks.

( don't click the links above - I smell a spammer )

**Mal H** · June 13, 2009, 06:22 PM

Yes, the thread is old and didn't have to be resurrected, but the link appears to be ok considering the topic of the thread. Why do you say it is a "link farm"?

October 20, 2004, 07:34 PM	#1
5ptdeerhunter Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Location: Roseville, Michigan Posts: 328	Can I put a pistol grip stock on a Saiga without drilling new holes? I like the idea of having a pistol grip stock. But I really like the look of the gun the way it is. I just got it yesterday. I like the pistol grip because my friend has one on his vepr and the gun just handles so nicely. I do not want to have new holes drilled in my gun to accomadate a pistol grip stock though. Is there a different stock out there where I wouldn't have to do any modicfications to the gun. I was also wondering, what if I bought a stock for a shotgun and just made some modifications to it to make it fit the holes where the stock is attacted to now? Would it work? I wouldn't think there would be too much recoil on it. It is only in 7.62x39. Or am I just being foolish? Thank you kindly, Mike __________________ "I don't mind it when stupid people say stupid things. Stupid people should be encouraged to say stupid things, that way we always know who the stupid people are." ~ Ted Nugent If restrictive gun laws made us safer, then NYC, Chicago, and Washington DC would be crime-free utopias.

October 21, 2004, 10:16 AM	#2
ckyllo Member Join Date: April 19, 2004 Location: Minnesota Posts: 333	in order to put a pistol grip on it you are looking at doing some mods to it anyway. you will first have to get the US parts count up to the '89 standards 5 i think. according th the folks at gunsnet.net ak-47 boards, a standard ak pistol grip wont just bolt on to a saiga. IIRC to get a ak grip to work you have to move the trigger group back to make any pistol grip and stock hook up and look right. it is good advice to have a gunsmith do the work unless you are at a skill level that is near a gunsmith level ( a couple of builds under your belt). I dont know on using a sgun stock, but if it has a pistol grip you still need the US part count. I would enjoy the gun the way it is. buy a vepr also cause you can never have too many guns. hope this helps P.S. I heard that 30 rd mags might soon be avaible for the saiga soon. __________________ "They say you can't use a rifle or shotgun indoors because a bad guy will grab the barrel. Yeah? Well, he better hang on, 'cause I'm gonna light him up and it will definitely be an "E" ticket ride." "Make (your attacker) advance through a wall of bullets. I may get killed with my own gun, but hes gonna have to beat me to death with it, 'cause it's going to be empty." Clint Smith, Thunder Ranch

October 21, 2004, 10:19 AM	#3
Daedalus Member Join Date: July 24, 2003 Location: Gainesville, Florida Posts: 521	Apparently, high caps are available now http://www.eaacorp.com/parts/Magazines/smag.shtml Hm, better move that 308 Saiga near the top of my EBR list. __________________ Ceci n'est pas une sig

October 21, 2004, 02:06 PM	#5
ckyllo Member Join Date: April 19, 2004 Location: Minnesota Posts: 333	a benefit to a thumbhole stock is that you wont have the US part count to deal with. just somthing to consider. __________________ "They say you can't use a rifle or shotgun indoors because a bad guy will grab the barrel. Yeah? Well, he better hang on, 'cause I'm gonna light him up and it will definitely be an "E" ticket ride." "Make (your attacker) advance through a wall of bullets. I may get killed with my own gun, but hes gonna have to beat me to death with it, 'cause it's going to be empty." Clint Smith, Thunder Ranch

October 21, 2004, 02:09 PM	#6
5ptdeerhunter Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Location: Roseville, Michigan Posts: 328	Also a my friend who has a vepr and a saiga 20ga told me that there is a tool that came with his to put in a hole near the rear site so that you can remove some of the parts. I didn't get a tool like he mentioned. I did get a thing that looks like it is for pounding pins out. What is my friend talking about? And do I need it? __________________ "I don't mind it when stupid people say stupid things. Stupid people should be encouraged to say stupid things, that way we always know who the stupid people are." ~ Ted Nugent If restrictive gun laws made us safer, then NYC, Chicago, and Washington DC would be crime-free utopias.

October 21, 2004, 01:35 PM	#4
KadicDeshi Member Join Date: April 6, 2004 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 217	Actually, according to the guys at www.forum.saiga-12.com, all of the higher capacity magazines are on backorder. Several of them are assuming that EAA hasn't received shipment of any magazines yet. Just an FYI. Oh, and that same board has a link to a step by step walkthrough for converting a saiga rifle to pistol grip. Also, at least one of the members has made his own thumbhole type stock that doesn't require moving the triggergroup. Something to think about if you are handy. Barrett

October 21, 2004, 02:27 PM	#7
Master Blaster Member Join Date: December 26, 2002 Location: Delaware home of tax free shopping Posts: 4,055	Both mine came with a black pin punch, thats what he is talking about, it was in the cleaning kit. You dont need the pin punch to do any normal disassembly for cleaning

October 21, 2004, 08:22 PM	#8
Harry Tuttle Member Join Date: November 14, 2003 Posts: 3,093	theres an Ace pistol grip that mounts aft of the hunter trigger http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=1688 __________________ "Enjoy every sandwich"

October 21, 2004, 10:51 PM	#9
possenti Member Join Date: September 14, 2003 Location: Northern KY Posts: 488	Just drill the holes. You won't be disappointed with the results. I successfully converted mine over the weekend, and I consider myself very clumsy around sharp, pointy tools. Here's a link to the conversion. It's much easier than it looks. http://www.cross-conn.com/Saiga_Conversion/

October 21, 2004, 11:05 PM	#10
Redlg155 Member Join Date: December 25, 2002 Location: NW Florida Posts: 1,888	The conversion process is relatively simple. Just take your time. The hardest part would be to drill out the spot welds. The rest is pretty easy. Just a bit more and I'll have my .308 finished. Good Shooting Red __________________ "Lie to a liar, for lies are his coin; steal from a thief, for that is easy; lay a trap for the trickster and catch him at first attempt, but beware of an honest man. "

October 22, 2004, 01:44 AM	#11
mrapathy2000 member Join Date: August 4, 2003 Location: FrozenOver,Iowa Posts: 1,089	hicap mags for saiga's are backordered. best option is still converting to 4-5 US parts 5 parts with pistol grip. dremel+drill its pretty easy though good luck finding a parts kit they are sold out due to AWB sunsetting and massive ammount of projects upstarting. few people on forum.saiga-12.com make stocks for saiga rifles/shotgun with pistol grip. might be able to buy one.

October 22, 2004, 02:18 AM	#12
fistful member Join Date: April 13, 2004 Location: Saint Ann, Missouri Posts: 872	Why you want pistol grip? I'm very curious. I don't know a lot about the Saiga, but I want one only because it DOESN'T have an assault rifle pistol grip. What is so great about the Saiga that you want to convert it, rather than trading for a normal AK?

October 22, 2004, 07:31 AM	#13
grendelbane Member Join Date: January 4, 2004 Location: KY Posts: 765	The Saiga with a pistol grip is shorter. I feel it balances better. The conventional AK trigger feels much better than the Saiga trigger does. For a 7.62 x 39 without a pistol grip I would recommend an SKS. For rifles, there are many choices. If you want a Kalashnikov action shotgun Saiga is the only game in town.

June 13, 2009, 04:46 PM	#14
RamboOntario member Join Date: April 15, 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 19	here you go

June 13, 2009, 05:08 PM	#15
nalioth Member Join Date: July 9, 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,531	Dude, the thread is 5 YEARS OLD Not only that, but you're linking to a LINK FARM. A site that exists just to mislead folks. ( don't click the links above - I smell a spammer ) __________________ Your computer is yours: Linux for human beings @ ubuntu.com Check out the unofficial THR chat room! Home \| Blog \| Forum \| @nalioth "Tactical" is a mindset, not an equipment list.

June 13, 2009, 06:22 PM	#16
Mal H Administrator Join Date: December 20, 2002 Location: Somewhere in the woods of Northern VA Posts: 9,874	Yes, the thread is old and didn't have to be resurrected, but the link appears to be ok considering the topic of the thread. Why do you say it is a "link farm"?

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