My new black rifle

Smurfslayer · July 22, 2005, 04:36 PM

I got help deciding which new black rifle to get...

http://www.thehighroad.org/poll.php?...ts&pollid=1744

Now it's time to decide on care and feeding

So close... yet so far... Here it is at my C3:

http://www.bighammer.net/sitebuilder...s/my_rifle.jpg

Just waiting for the f4's now.

http://www.bighammer.net/sitebuilder.../my_rifle2.jpg

iamkris · July 22, 2005, 04:44 PM

30 rounders.

Get really good with the rifle...e.g., be able to command any terrain 300 yards in any direction, from any position.

Then think about if you really want to spend your money on a BetaC.

MechAg94 · July 22, 2005, 04:50 PM

I have a couple of 40 rounders that work great. The only drawback might be how far the mag sticks down, but not much further than a 30 rounder.

Anyone know who sells USA mags? I haven't seen them lately.

Harry Tuttle · July 22, 2005, 05:53 PM

think different

KriegHund · July 22, 2005, 06:03 PM

Im glad you went with the FNC.

I voted get both a C-mag for fun and a 30 rnd for um...reliable fun.

TMM · July 22, 2005, 06:29 PM

beta-C and also 30- and 40- rounders...

Commissar Gribb · July 23, 2005, 11:39 AM

use 30s

once you have a good sized collection (at least 10) then get a beta C.

Smurfslayer · July 24, 2005, 12:07 AM

that guy's ... uh.... magazine ... is bent !

Everything at the gun show today was expensive... 30 rounders, 20 rounders, beta mags, ammo....

GUYS - If you're going to sell at a gun show, and your prices are higher than my dealer, guess what... I'm going to travel the extra distance to my dealer...

So far I have 2 factory FNC 30 rounders, 3 AR 30 rounders and those fancy followers. I just need a few more to accomodate a warm up session at the range...

chopinbloc · July 24, 2005, 12:51 AM

30 round mags work. we know this. i recommend that you keep buying them until s/o tells you to stop. of course, you have to make sure you have enough ammo to fill the mags at all times though, right?

on beta-c mags: i have no personal experience with them but i talked to a soldier who said he tested them for his unit and found them to be less reliable than the 30 round version. even if you assume the same reliability as a 30 round mag, consider that if a failure occurs with a 30 round mag you lose a maximum of 30 rounds on the ground, with a c-mag you can lose 100 rounds all at once. that can seriously cut into your ammo load-out. at about $25 dollars a piece, you could buy 10 30 round mags for the price of one 100 round mag. that's three times the total capacity.

[drool] belt fed ar [/drool]

Smurfslayer · July 24, 2005, 11:12 AM

My dealer has the green follower AR mags for 18 / mag - right about what I can get them for shipped... I'm leaning towards stocking up on 30 rounders first.

GunGoBoom · July 24, 2005, 11:25 AM

Quote:

that guy's ... uh.... magazine ... is bent !

and he's breaking a gun safety rule.

1557 · July 24, 2005, 01:06 PM

I've considered a Beta C mag,but my AR is is a dedicated short,easy handling carbine.The beta mags are too bulky IMO and would interfere with the fast hadling capabilities of the rifle. In my opinion,carrying several proven 30 rounders would suit me better.

**4v50 Gary** · July 24, 2005, 01:57 PM

Trouble with the C-mags is that they're prima-donnas. Follow the instructions exactly to the letter. Anything else and you risk failure that could be fatal. 30 rounders are easier to use and more user-proof. C-mags should be reserved for special purposes.

Well Regulated · July 25, 2005, 10:02 PM

I vote 30 rounders because if there is a failure somewhere when you get the firearm, you don't want to be scratching your head and trying to decide whether it's the ammo, the "tight Chamber" or the magazine. After you shoot it and are confident it works, then you can try a different type of magazine.

View Poll Results: Which ammunition feeding device(s) for Smurfslayer's new black rifle?
Stick with tradition - 30 round AR mags	50	78.13%
BETA C MAG !	9	14.06%
WTH? Why didn't you get a SAW? Surely someone makes a belt feed conversion!	5	7.81%
You've got tools; weld 5 AR 30 rounders together and make your own HIGH capacity feeding device!	4	6.25%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 64. You may not vote on this poll

July 22, 2005, 04:36 PM	#1
Smurfslayer Member Join Date: December 25, 2002 Location: Northern Virginia, USA Posts: 1,296	My new black rifle I got help deciding which new black rifle to get... http://www.thehighroad.org/poll.php?...ts&pollid=1744 Now it's time to decide on care and feeding So close... yet so far... Here it is at my C3: http://www.bighammer.net/sitebuilder...s/my_rifle.jpg Just waiting for the f4's now. http://www.bighammer.net/sitebuilder.../my_rifle2.jpg __________________ Dave Help Repeal the National Parks ban on self defense!

July 22, 2005, 04:44 PM	#2
iamkris Member Join Date: January 6, 2003 Location: My own little slice of Purgatory Posts: 2,689	30 rounders. Get really good with the rifle...e.g., be able to command any terrain 300 yards in any direction, from any position. Then think about if you really want to spend your money on a BetaC. __________________ NRA Endowment Life Member NRA Certified Rifle Instructor Ultima Ratio Civis - "The last method of a citizen"

July 22, 2005, 04:50 PM	#3
MechAg94 Member Join Date: April 18, 2005 Location: Texas Gulf Coast Posts: 4,438	I have a couple of 40 rounders that work great. The only drawback might be how far the mag sticks down, but not much further than a 30 rounder. Anyone know who sells USA mags? I haven't seen them lately. __________________ "No tendency is quite so strong in human nature as the desire to lay down rules of conduct for other people." "The world is not going to be saved by legislation." William Howard Taft

July 22, 2005, 05:53 PM	#4
Harry Tuttle Member Join Date: November 14, 2003 Posts: 3,093	think different __________________ "Enjoy every sandwich"

July 22, 2005, 06:03 PM	#5
KriegHund Member Join Date: February 18, 2005 Location: Colorado, Broomfield Posts: 1,516	Im glad you went with the FNC. I voted get both a C-mag for fun and a 30 rnd for um...reliable fun. __________________ "But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here." The Gettysburg Address, Abraham Lincoln Thoughts on the world today- http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endID=58200713

July 22, 2005, 06:29 PM	#6
TMM Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 1,051	beta-C and also 30- and 40- rounders... __________________ "the loudest sound in a gun fight is "click"...." - nyresq "Even if you didn't find no game, it's always some trashy rascal dat needs uh good killin'" - Thier Eyes Were Watching God

July 23, 2005, 11:39 AM	#7
Commissar Gribb Member Join Date: April 19, 2005 Location: Holloman AFB, New Mexico Posts: 850	use 30s once you have a good sized collection (at least 10) then get a beta C. __________________ NOW WITH MORE BANANA GOODNESS! Turkish 1893 Mauser Bushmaster XM15E2 16" bbl M4gery Stag arms AR-15 of various parts Ruger 10/22 Russian Mosin-Nagant mod 91/30 Egyptian Maadi AKM with RPK furniture Yugoslavian 56/66 SKS. Smith & Wesson mod. 645 autopistol Browning/FN Hi-power Polish Tantal (AK74) in 5.45mm Century Arms CETME Sporter .308 HS95 9mm pistol In the works: bulgie AKS74U kit in 5.45mm Fulton M14gery upgrades to M4gery 3x Rommy AK kits. NRA member and VFW life member.

July 24, 2005, 12:07 AM	#8
Smurfslayer Member Join Date: December 25, 2002 Location: Northern Virginia, USA Posts: 1,296	that guy's ... uh.... magazine ... is bent ! Everything at the gun show today was expensive... 30 rounders, 20 rounders, beta mags, ammo.... GUYS - If you're going to sell at a gun show, and your prices are higher than my dealer, guess what... I'm going to travel the extra distance to my dealer... So far I have 2 factory FNC 30 rounders, 3 AR 30 rounders and those fancy followers. I just need a few more to accomodate a warm up session at the range... __________________ Dave Help Repeal the National Parks ban on self defense!

July 24, 2005, 12:51 AM	#9
chopinbloc Member Join Date: April 10, 2005 Location: sweet home arizona Posts: 1,076	30 round mags work. we know this. i recommend that you keep buying them until s/o tells you to stop. of course, you have to make sure you have enough ammo to fill the mags at all times though, right? on beta-c mags: i have no personal experience with them but i talked to a soldier who said he tested them for his unit and found them to be less reliable than the 30 round version. even if you assume the same reliability as a 30 round mag, consider that if a failure occurs with a 30 round mag you lose a maximum of 30 rounds on the ground, with a c-mag you can lose 100 rounds all at once. that can seriously cut into your ammo load-out. at about $25 dollars a piece, you could buy 10 30 round mags for the price of one 100 round mag. that's three times the total capacity. [drool] belt fed ar [/drool] __________________ "Murder is a crime -unless it is done by a policeman or an aristocrat... You have the right to free speech; as long as you're not dumb enough to actually try it." - The Clash "Know Your Rights" from Combat Rock

July 24, 2005, 11:12 AM	#10
Smurfslayer Member Join Date: December 25, 2002 Location: Northern Virginia, USA Posts: 1,296	My dealer has the green follower AR mags for 18 / mag - right about what I can get them for shipped... I'm leaning towards stocking up on 30 rounders first. __________________ Dave Help Repeal the National Parks ban on self defense!

July 24, 2005, 01:06 PM	#12
1557 Member Join Date: June 12, 2005 Posts: 169	I've considered a Beta C mag,but my AR is is a dedicated short,easy handling carbine.The beta mags are too bulky IMO and would interfere with the fast hadling capabilities of the rifle. In my opinion,carrying several proven 30 rounders would suit me better.

July 24, 2005, 01:57 PM	#13
4v50 Gary Moderator Join Date: December 20, 2002 Posts: 11,971	Trouble with the C-mags is that they're prima-donnas. Follow the instructions exactly to the letter. Anything else and you risk failure that could be fatal. 30 rounders are easier to use and more user-proof. C-mags should be reserved for special purposes. __________________ TFL Aluminium. Molon Labe!

July 25, 2005, 10:02 PM	#14
Well Regulated Member Join Date: March 23, 2005 Location: Commonwealth of Virginia Posts: 203	Go With What Works First I vote 30 rounders because if there is a failure somewhere when you get the firearm, you don't want to be scratching your head and trying to decide whether it's the ammo, the "tight Chamber" or the magazine. After you shoot it and are confident it works, then you can try a different type of magazine. __________________ "And Mr. 9mm here, he's the shepherd protecting my righteous ass in the valley of darkness."

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