Now that you know the NSA spies on americans, will that change your posting habits?

seansean · December 20, 2005, 07:35 PM

are you worried your posts here or elsewhere are gonna end up in a file on some fed. agents desk? Just curious.

hillbilly · December 20, 2005, 07:39 PM

In a word, no.

If it gets so bad that I have to legitimately worry about that, in that people are actually being whisked away into custody because of what they post on internet boards, then the time to load out and hit the woods will have been long past.................

hillbilly

Fidel Castro · December 20, 2005, 07:54 PM

Yes!

If 'OUR' government wouldn't respect the 4th Amendment, WHY would 'OUR' government respect 'OUR' 1st Amendment rights.

I will speculate that there is an internet forum 'profiling' going on. Guns, political, muslim.

My username is probably showing up on the 'supercomputer' right now.

Old Dog · December 20, 2005, 07:54 PM

Quote:

are you worried your posts here or elsewhere are gonna end up in a file on some fed. agents desk?

Why? And just what would some federal agent do with our posts?

Sometimes I think a lot of people believe that the government occupies much of its time spying on its own citizens. But, if you are worried about this, just use a lot of nonstandard abbreviations, intentional misspellings and symbols (#@$%) mixed in with letters in your words ... Gotta defeat those filters the NSA is using to screen our posts, right?

Hillbilly is 100% correct.

Cliff · December 20, 2005, 07:55 PM

Ain't skered...

PATH · December 20, 2005, 07:57 PM

Nope! I can't say as I have anything to say that would draw the attention of ferderal authorities. I will be sure to never discuss Curtis LeMay and the bombing campaign against Japan though!

Screehopper · December 20, 2005, 07:59 PM

Just don't make any threats towards the pres.

A college student got whisked away by the FBI because he posted in his blog that was deemed by the FBI as threatening towards the pres. He was saying something figuratively, but it got interpretted wrong. So they busted the college student. I have no idea what the outcome was.

GoRon · December 20, 2005, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Just don't make any threats towards the pres.

A college student got whisked away by the FBI because he posted in his blog that was deemed by the FBI as threatening towards the pres. He was saying something figuratively, but it got interpretted wrong. So they busted the college student. I have no idea what the outcome was.

Any links?

Sounds like an urban myth to me but maybe not...

Trip20 · December 20, 2005, 08:05 PM

no

Screehopper · December 20, 2005, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoRon

Any links?

Sounds like an urban myth to me but maybe not...

It believe I read it on CNN a while back. Their archives are not exactly the easiest to search. I'll check.

Biker · December 20, 2005, 08:09 PM

I've always assumed that anything I do publically would be scrutinized by someone with an acronym behind their name. Nothing's changed.
Biker

**Byron Quick** · December 20, 2005, 08:10 PM

If I haven't shown up on their radar screen by now, it means one of two things: 1)They aren't watching the internet boards that closely or 2) they have people of intelligence and subtlety doing the surveillance.

Based on the government's track record, I tend to believe in #1 as #2 is just too incredible to be true.

rick_reno · December 20, 2005, 08:11 PM

Nope, they're only looking at terrorists and I ain't one of them.

longeyes · December 20, 2005, 08:11 PM

I plan to clean up my emoticons.

But not yet.

pax · December 20, 2005, 08:13 PM

Nawww.

When I started posting online, I figured that anything I said could easily be traced back to me, personally, by anyone who cared enough to put some legwork into it.

So I decided a long time ago to only post stuff I wouldn't mind saying in public, in person, to whomever I was talking to, with the whole world listening in. I figured I only had one reputation, regardless of what username I used, and I've acted accordingly. It's kept me out of a lot of grief.

I really doubt anyone in the gov't cares enough about me, personally, to put much legwork into cataloging my posts and keeping track of every little thing I've ever said online, but even if they did, so what? Heh, maybe I can help educate the poor bored BATF agent skimming this right now ...

pax

lowracer · December 20, 2005, 08:18 PM

I have it on good authority that they are reading this forum and all posts are being logged on NSA computers for later collation, interrogation, and ultimately confiscation and incarceration. According to one website I read, agents of the federal government are at this very minute preparing huge barbed-wire internment camps in the deserts of Utah for the wholesale warehousing of American citizens, and you can bet these will be "no guns allowed" camps.

The "S" has "HTF" already. Time to bug out, this is your notice. Grab your shiny mylar tri-corner hat at the door. You're gonna need that bad boy.

Mnemesyne · December 20, 2005, 08:20 PM

I won't change my posting habits...Eschelon <sp> has been around for years sniffing out email/web postings...So what makes it any different now? Just my thoughts.....

Mneme

Third_Rail · December 20, 2005, 08:34 PM

Everything I send over the internet that is of significant importance to me is encrypted with enough authority to make it hard for even the gov't to break... not to mention I like to send loads of encrypted garbage for them to work on, too.

scubie02 · December 20, 2005, 08:35 PM

Its been common knowledge that programs like Carnivore, Echelon etc have been combing through all emails, faxes, even phone conversations etc for years. I have just assumed they are scanning forums like these for some time now. I'm sure there are actual agents who hang out on forums as well.

WT · December 20, 2005, 08:35 PM

NSA has been scanning telephone calls for at least 34 years. Back in 1971 they had a number of CRAY computers assigned to the task at Ft. Meade, MD.

**taliv** · December 20, 2005, 08:46 PM

pax +1

however, that doesn't mean i condone their spying. it's a definite no-no. out of bounds. unconstitutional.

Crosshair · December 20, 2005, 08:49 PM

Not really, still going to swipe buds from my neighbors pot plants.

/Watches as PITA neighbor gets raided.

//I hope this does not last long.

Alex45ACP · December 20, 2005, 08:55 PM

I'm not worried at all. I trust the government. They would never abuse their power. They only go after terrorists, and if it keeps me safer I'm willing to give up some of my freedoms.

pax · December 20, 2005, 08:57 PM

Quote:

however, that doesn't mean i condone their spying. it's a definite no-no. out of bounds. unconstitutional.

taliv ~

Agreed on that, too. More strongly than you can imagine.

pax

Rockefeller's Rule: Never do anything you wouldn't be caught dead doing.

IndianaDean · December 20, 2005, 09:15 PM

I'm not worried at all. I've gone through scores of background checks buying firearms over the last 2years. I have tried several several different guns, traded to purchase others until I found what I liked. I counted up the handguns I've bought, and traded off over the last couple of years.
55. All of those except one had background checks.
Every single time the FBI has practically waved me through the checks. They apparently have no problem with my multitudes of purchases, so I don't give it any thought.

December 20, 2005, 07:57 PM	#6
PATH Member Join Date: December 25, 2002 Location: Rockland, New York Posts: 2,831	Nope! I can't say as I have anything to say that would draw the attention of ferderal authorities. I will be sure to never discuss Curtis LeMay and the bombing campaign against Japan though! __________________ Proud TFL Alumnus #2290 Molon Labe http://www.monroechestersportsmen.org http://dwp.bigplanet.com/blackrock/door/ http://www.ramapoughsportsmen.com http://www.wrgc.lausco.com Airplane Pictures

December 20, 2005, 08:05 PM	#9
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December 20, 2005, 08:09 PM	#11
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December 20, 2005, 08:10 PM	#12
Byron Quick Moderator Join Date: December 21, 2002 Location: Waynesboro, Georgia Posts: 6,486	If I haven't shown up on their radar screen by now, it means one of two things: 1)They aren't watching the internet boards that closely or 2) they have people of intelligence and subtlety doing the surveillance. Based on the government's track record, I tend to believe in #1 as #2 is just too incredible to be true. __________________ GeorgiaCarry.org Member "The Right To Buy Weapons Is The Right To Be Free" "I think I can say, and say with pride, that we have legislatures that bring higher prices than any in the world." Mark Twain

December 20, 2005, 08:13 PM	#15
pax Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Location: Washington state Posts: 9,773	Nawww. When I started posting online, I figured that anything I said could easily be traced back to me, personally, by anyone who cared enough to put some legwork into it. So I decided a long time ago to only post stuff I wouldn't mind saying in public, in person, to whomever I was talking to, with the whole world listening in. I figured I only had one reputation, regardless of what username I used, and I've acted accordingly. It's kept me out of a lot of grief. I really doubt anyone in the gov't cares enough about me, personally, to put much legwork into cataloging my posts and keeping track of every little thing I've ever said online, but even if they did, so what? Heh, maybe I can help educate the poor bored BATF agent skimming this right now ... pax __________________ My website: http://www.corneredcat.com

December 20, 2005, 07:35 PM	#1
seansean Member Join Date: March 20, 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 204	Now that you know the NSA spies on americans, will that change your posting habits? are you worried your posts here or elsewhere are gonna end up in a file on some fed. agents desk? Just curious. __________________ "There's another side to that coin...What if you do got me boxed in, and I gotta put YOU down? Because, no matter what, you will not get in my way. Yeah, we've been face to face. But I will not hesitate. Not for a second." Robert Deniro, "Heat".

December 20, 2005, 07:39 PM	#2
hillbilly Member Join Date: July 10, 2003 Location: Arkansas Posts: 3,042	In a word, no. If it gets so bad that I have to legitimately worry about that, in that people are actually being whisked away into custody because of what they post on internet boards, then the time to load out and hit the woods will have been long past................. hillbilly

December 20, 2005, 07:54 PM	#3
Fidel Castro member Join Date: December 19, 2005 Posts: 32	Yes! If 'OUR' government wouldn't respect the 4th Amendment, WHY would 'OUR' government respect 'OUR' 1st Amendment rights. I will speculate that there is an internet forum 'profiling' going on. Guns, political, muslim. My username is probably showing up on the 'supercomputer' right now.

December 20, 2005, 07:55 PM	#5
Cliff Member Join Date: December 25, 2002 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 390	Ain't skered...

December 20, 2005, 07:59 PM	#7
Screehopper Member Join Date: November 16, 2005 Posts: 42	Just don't make any threats towards the pres. A college student got whisked away by the FBI because he posted in his blog that was deemed by the FBI as threatening towards the pres. He was saying something figuratively, but it got interpretted wrong. So they busted the college student. I have no idea what the outcome was.

December 20, 2005, 08:11 PM	#13
rick_reno member Join Date: December 25, 2002 Posts: 3,028	Nope, they're only looking at terrorists and I ain't one of them.

December 20, 2005, 08:11 PM	#14
longeyes member Join Date: December 26, 2002 Location: True West...Hotel California Posts: 7,229	I plan to clean up my emoticons. But not yet.

December 20, 2005, 08:18 PM	#16
lowracer Member Join Date: December 13, 2005 Location: San Diego CA Posts: 59	The "S" has "HTF" already I have it on good authority that they are reading this forum and all posts are being logged on NSA computers for later collation, interrogation, and ultimately confiscation and incarceration. According to one website I read, agents of the federal government are at this very minute preparing huge barbed-wire internment camps in the deserts of Utah for the wholesale warehousing of American citizens, and you can bet these will be "no guns allowed" camps. The "S" has "HTF" already. Time to bug out, this is your notice. Grab your shiny mylar tri-corner hat at the door. You're gonna need that bad boy.

December 20, 2005, 08:20 PM	#17
Mnemesyne Member Join Date: August 21, 2005 Location: SE Ohio Posts: 111	I won't change my posting habits...Eschelon <sp> has been around for years sniffing out email/web postings...So what makes it any different now? Just my thoughts..... Mneme __________________ Proud owner of a Llama Max-I 45 and a Baby Eagle 45 Remember New Orleans! ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΈ!

December 20, 2005, 08:34 PM	#18
Third_Rail Member Join Date: January 10, 2004 Posts: 4,984	Everything I send over the internet that is of significant importance to me is encrypted with enough authority to make it hard for even the gov't to break... not to mention I like to send loads of encrypted garbage for them to work on, too. __________________ Giving up the right to arms is a mistake a free people get to make only once. I will not make that mistake. Government always thinks everything is about leadership. It never is. It's about the people. - Standing Wolf

December 20, 2005, 08:35 PM	#19
scubie02 Member Join Date: August 18, 2003 Location: ny Posts: 914	Its been common knowledge that programs like Carnivore, Echelon etc have been combing through all emails, faxes, even phone conversations etc for years. I have just assumed they are scanning forums like these for some time now. I'm sure there are actual agents who hang out on forums as well. __________________ Whenever someone says "I'm not book smart, but I'm street smart", all I hear is "I'm not real smart, but I'm imaginary smart".

December 20, 2005, 08:35 PM	#20
WT Member Join Date: June 11, 2003 Posts: 1,988	NSA has been scanning telephone calls for at least 34 years. Back in 1971 they had a number of CRAY computers assigned to the task at Ft. Meade, MD.

December 20, 2005, 08:46 PM	#21
taliv Moderator Join Date: October 23, 2004 Posts: 8,155	pax +1 however, that doesn't mean i condone their spying. it's a definite no-no. out of bounds. unconstitutional.

December 20, 2005, 08:49 PM	#22
Crosshair Member Join Date: March 25, 2005 Location: Grand Forks, North Dakota Posts: 1,985	Not really, still going to swipe buds from my neighbors pot plants. /Watches as PITA neighbor gets raided. //I hope this does not last long. __________________ "Don't mind him. He reads the internet like it's a paperback book." - Classmate describing me.

December 20, 2005, 08:55 PM	#23
Alex45ACP Member Join Date: April 21, 2005 Location: USA Posts: 1,338	I'm not worried at all. I trust the government. They would never abuse their power. They only go after terrorists, and if it keeps me safer I'm willing to give up some of my freedoms. __________________ From my cold, dead hands.

December 20, 2005, 09:15 PM	#25
IndianaDean Member Join Date: July 30, 2004 Posts: 541	I'm not worried at all. I've gone through scores of background checks buying firearms over the last 2years. I have tried several several different guns, traded to purchase others until I found what I liked. I counted up the handguns I've bought, and traded off over the last couple of years. 55. All of those except one had background checks. Every single time the FBI has practically waved me through the checks. They apparently have no problem with my multitudes of purchases, so I don't give it any thought.

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