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S&W now to make the "M&P15"
http://ir.smith-wesson.com/phoenix.z...601&highlight=
Article says that S&W is going to make AR-15 type rifles, I wonder where they are going to put the S&W lock and flag??? Quote:
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Direct impingement is so 40 years ago. All the cool children have gas piston setups now. They even make gas piston uppers for the old rifles.
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Between making AR-15s and 1911s, S&W is trying to become Colt.
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Will it have the stupid lock?
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The poor Old Fuff is sitting in his cave blubbering... He always thought the M&P was a revolver... Now his world is turned upside down.
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The current company is just stuck with it. It would be lawsuit central to un-do that now. Look how long it took Colt to start making non-Series 80 stuff after they introduced it for "safety purposes".
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S&W has the know how, but more importantly they actually have some marketing skills and strategy. The market for ARs is huge and Colt has let it slip away by ignoring it. Colt can't even manage to keep the web site going most of the time and has consistently given private AR buyers the "PC" nonsense.
Old Fuff, M&P is now a plastic rifle and a plastic pistol, I guess they wanted the military and police to actually buy something with the M&P moniker. |
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Among the most famous and successful guns in history are the Single Action Army, the 1911 and the AR15. All originally from Colt and now the most copied and cloned guns around.
I wish Colt would get off its knees and get back in the game. I love my S&Ws, but I don't want them making Colts.
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besides, i think taurus has already taken over being s&w... |
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There, there, Old Fuff, easy now. At least they aren't building a MIM Garand.
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I guess S&W waited to make sure the AR design would "take off".
Think they waited long enough?
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With *numerous* makers already out there producing high quality ARs, I just don't see the motivation for more companies to keep jumping in.
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The thought of yet another AR=
It'll probably have a giant S&W billboard on the handguards!
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Maybe S&W should buy the remains of Winchester...
"Smithchester"?
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S&W seems to have guessed right on making a 1911 mutant.
They will probably do well with an AR.
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I believe individual shooters are not the marketing focus of the new "M&P15". I expect that S&W will be pitching a one-stop shopping experience for government agencies, especially local police departments. Rather than Glock for pistols, Remington for shotguns, and Colt/Bushmaster/RRA/et al for AR-variants, S&W will deliver a package deal on sidearms, shotguns, rifles, and handcuffs, including armorer training and service. If an agency buys it all, I expect the pricing to undercut those manufacturers who only deliver a piece of the weapons system puzzle.
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I believe farscott has nailed it.
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S&W + horizontal integration, ftw!
~GnSx Note: ftw = "for the win"
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While Winchester is going out of business S&W makes a rifle??
What's the world coming to?
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SMOLT
I'll take a Smolt after the price gets adjusted to market conditions. S&W is just picking up Colt's slack---since Colt won't do it themselves. |
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The agency will see that as a cost savings, and S&W will see it as a truckload of money being backed up to the loading dock. It makes perfect sense. The only question will be if the market is already too glutted with AR types. But, running with the idea than an AR is an AR is an AR, this allows the agency to deal with one vendor for everything, which many agencies would jump at. Mike
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Correct if I am wrong, while farscott's insights all sound very well (and I agree with them), what shotguns does S&W currently produce?
They have made shotguns in the past, two different series if I recall correctly. One was a cheap feeling sort of thing, and one series seemed to be basically an 870 copy. I would assume they have kept the toolong, or could tool up again quickly enough, but there isn't a "full" package at the moment. Just to be a nitpicker
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If a woodchuck could clone, how many clones would he have if all the clones cloned?
Boy, there are going to be a lot of niches for collectors to explore at this rate. Flayderman's 30th Edition is going to weigh about forty pounds in the abridged version.
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