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Old January 23, 2006, 09:58 PM   #1
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12GA Rifle From HELL--

Visiting here to let folks know about our latest
big wildcat cartridge.First it was developed by Rob,John
and I over on AR big bore forum.It is a long brass case
made from bmg brass that we put a 12ga size rim on.Rob and
John used a Borchardt falling block action and I used a
Savage 210 bolt action shotgun that I put heavy barrel and
and stock on..In testing I got a 730 gr Dixie hard lead slug
out at 2700 fps.Got a 3/4 oz barnes sabot out at 3900.
Here is picture of our case next to a plastic 12ga shell,
which can also be fired in our chambers.Ed.

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Old January 23, 2006, 10:01 PM   #2
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Wow. Maybe that's what I need to take to Africa!

(Heh. Maybe I'll do it after I get my Ph.D. )

How's recoil?

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Old January 23, 2006, 10:05 PM   #3
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Holy moly!! That is some overgrown 12G

Both those quoted figures make for around 11,000 plus ft lbs ME! Hell - indeed!

Is recoil even manageable????
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Old January 23, 2006, 10:06 PM   #4
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I hope that Savage ended up at 20 pounds WITH a good muzzle brake

Holy Moly!!!!!
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Old January 23, 2006, 10:08 PM   #5
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JShirley--Not that bad as gun is built heavy for testing,
25 lbs...It is really what is called a Bore Rifle.
Here is picture of gun.Ed.


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Old January 23, 2006, 10:32 PM   #6
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How is accuracy?
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Old January 23, 2006, 10:49 PM   #7
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Good freaking hell. Now that is a slug gun.
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Old January 23, 2006, 10:52 PM   #8
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Cordex--Haven't shot for groups yet, real bad weather.
Just chrono testing outside backdoor into a big bundle
of hardwood for backstop behind chrono.Gun has a scope
rail I can put on for accuracy testing.Warm weather project.Ed.
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Old January 23, 2006, 11:03 PM   #9
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Duplicate threads merged.
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Old January 23, 2006, 11:07 PM   #10
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Wouldn't that be a "destructive device?" Or did you get the BATFE to make an exemption because it can take regular 12 ga shells?
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Old January 23, 2006, 11:11 PM   #11
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Has John Ross ordered one yet?
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Old January 23, 2006, 11:20 PM   #12
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Have you developed a magnum length yet?
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Old January 23, 2006, 11:25 PM   #13
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Has John Ross ordered one yet?
Would JOHN MOSES BROWNING Himself order one? that's what I want to know!
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Old January 23, 2006, 11:28 PM   #14
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just the thing for a little social work
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Old January 23, 2006, 11:31 PM   #15
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Old January 23, 2006, 11:33 PM   #16
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You Sir, are insane.
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Old January 23, 2006, 11:34 PM   #17
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I don't know if I want to shoot that one or not.

I can see the looks on the guy's faces at the range though.
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Old January 23, 2006, 11:46 PM   #18
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Looks kind of like one of Clark's handgun rounds.
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Old January 23, 2006, 11:55 PM   #19
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Preacherman--Good man-Thanks for combining threads,
and the better title..
Ryan--That is why Rob floated idea for this, being able to fire
shotgun rounds(plastic, paper, regular brass cases, our
long brass cases) thus not under ATF rules.They don't
even have to consider it or exempt it.. I have my 700HE, a
long belted 3.87 inch case, built from bmg brass,
that I put through the paperwork and got it registered as sporting case, which took 6 months.So I know the process.
bogie-- He has our number, but he'd want one like Rob
built on the Borchardt.
hksw--We should have ultimate magnum.Here is pic of the
Savage.Ed

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Old January 24, 2006, 12:00 AM   #20
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Perfect for squirrel hunting. How much?
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Old January 24, 2006, 12:05 AM   #21
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Now THAT is a versatile cartridge. As a backup you could always beat something to death with the ammo....for small to medium size game you wouldn't even need to shoot it!
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Old January 24, 2006, 12:13 AM   #22
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Have you developed a magnum length yet?
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Old January 24, 2006, 12:46 AM   #23
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Wouldn't that be a "destructive device?" Or did you get the BATFE to make an exemption because it can take regular 12 ga shells?
Yeah, its a sporting type shotgun. They just happened to overbuild it so it can take stronger loads. I heard someone got detached retinas from firing that beast.
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Old January 24, 2006, 12:47 AM   #24
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Here is picture of Rob's Borchardt 12GA FH.
Nice looking work he did, the real classic
African style.Ed


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Old January 24, 2006, 01:27 AM   #25
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Beautiful work, Gents.
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