12GA Rifle From HELL--

hubel458 · January 23, 2006, 09:58 PM

Visiting here to let folks know about our latest
big wildcat cartridge.First it was developed by Rob,John
and I over on AR big bore forum.It is a long brass case
made from bmg brass that we put a 12ga size rim on.Rob and
John used a Borchardt falling block action and I used a
Savage 210 bolt action shotgun that I put heavy barrel and
and stock on..In testing I got a 730 gr Dixie hard lead slug
out at 2700 fps.Got a 3/4 oz barnes sabot out at 3900.
Here is picture of our case next to a plastic 12ga shell,
which can also be fired in our chambers.Ed.

**JShirley** · January 23, 2006, 10:01 PM

Wow. Maybe that's what I need to take to Africa!

(Heh. Maybe I'll do it after I get my Ph.D.

)

How's recoil?

John

P95Carry · January 23, 2006, 10:05 PM

Holy moly!! That is some overgrown 12G

Both those quoted figures make for around 11,000 plus ft lbs ME! Hell - indeed!

Is recoil even manageable????

HSMITH · January 23, 2006, 10:06 PM

I hope that Savage ended up at 20 pounds WITH a good muzzle brake

Holy Moly!!!!!

hubel458 · January 23, 2006, 10:08 PM

JShirley--Not that bad as gun is built heavy for testing,
25 lbs...It is really what is called a Bore Rifle.
Here is picture of gun.Ed.

cordex · January 23, 2006, 10:32 PM

How is accuracy?

Correia · January 23, 2006, 10:49 PM

Good freaking hell. Now that is a slug gun.

hubel458 · January 23, 2006, 10:52 PM

Cordex--Haven't shot for groups yet, real bad weather.
Just chrono testing outside backdoor into a big bundle
of hardwood for backstop behind chrono.Gun has a scope
rail I can put on for accuracy testing.Warm weather project.Ed.

Preacherman · January 23, 2006, 11:03 PM

Duplicate threads merged.

RyanM · January 23, 2006, 11:07 PM

Wouldn't that be a "destructive device?" Or did you get the BATFE to make an exemption because it can take regular 12 ga shells?

bogie · January 23, 2006, 11:11 PM

Has John Ross ordered one yet?

hksw · January 23, 2006, 11:20 PM

Have you developed a magnum length yet?

BusMaster007 · January 23, 2006, 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bogie

Has John Ross ordered one yet?

Would JOHN MOSES BROWNING Himself order one? that's what I want to know!

The-Fly · January 23, 2006, 11:28 PM

just the thing for a little social work

444 · January 23, 2006, 11:31 PM

blackhawk2000 · January 23, 2006, 11:33 PM

You Sir, are insane.

mustanger98 · January 23, 2006, 11:34 PM

I don't know if I want to shoot that one or not.

I can see the looks on the guy's faces at the range though.

Rockstar · January 23, 2006, 11:46 PM

Looks kind of like one of Clark's handgun rounds.

hubel458 · January 23, 2006, 11:55 PM

Preacherman--Good man-Thanks for combining threads,
and the better title..
Ryan--That is why Rob floated idea for this, being able to fire
shotgun rounds(plastic, paper, regular brass cases, our
long brass cases) thus not under ATF rules.They don't
even have to consider it or exempt it.. I have my 700HE, a
long belted 3.87 inch case, built from bmg brass,
that I put through the paperwork and got it registered as sporting case, which took 6 months.So I know the process.
bogie-- He has our number, but he'd want one like Rob
built on the Borchardt.
hksw--We should have ultimate magnum.Here is pic of the
Savage.Ed

SB88LX · January 24, 2006, 12:00 AM

Perfect for squirrel hunting. How much?

Roudy · January 24, 2006, 12:05 AM

Now THAT is a versatile cartridge. As a backup you could always beat something to death with the ammo....for small to medium size game you wouldn't even need to shoot it!

carebear · January 24, 2006, 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hksw

Have you developed a magnum length yet?

beerslurpy · January 24, 2006, 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RyanM

Wouldn't that be a "destructive device?" Or did you get the BATFE to make an exemption because it can take regular 12 ga shells?

Yeah, its a sporting type shotgun. They just happened to overbuild it so it can take stronger loads. I heard someone got detached retinas from firing that beast.

hubel458 · January 24, 2006, 12:47 AM

Here is picture of Rob's Borchardt 12GA FH.
Nice looking work he did, the real classic
African style.Ed

BusMaster007 · January 24, 2006, 01:27 AM

Beautiful work, Gents.

January 23, 2006, 09:58 PM	#1
hubel458 Member Join Date: March 1, 2003 Location: Brinton,Mich. Posts: 525	12GA Rifle From HELL-- Visiting here to let folks know about our latest big wildcat cartridge.First it was developed by Rob,John and I over on AR big bore forum.It is a long brass case made from bmg brass that we put a 12ga size rim on.Rob and John used a Borchardt falling block action and I used a Savage 210 bolt action shotgun that I put heavy barrel and and stock on..In testing I got a 730 gr Dixie hard lead slug out at 2700 fps.Got a 3/4 oz barnes sabot out at 3900. Here is picture of our case next to a plastic 12ga shell, which can also be fired in our chambers.Ed. __________________ Ed Hubel.

January 23, 2006, 10:01 PM	#2
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January 23, 2006, 10:05 PM	#3
P95Carry Moderator Emeritus Join Date: January 3, 2003 Location: South PA, and a bit West of center! Posts: 16,341	Holy moly!! That is some overgrown 12G Both those quoted figures make for around 11,000 plus ft lbs ME! Hell - indeed! Is recoil even manageable???? __________________ Chris - P95. Guns don't kill people - people kill people. NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member. Second Amendment Portal - RKBA-2A.com ______________________________

January 23, 2006, 10:08 PM	#5
hubel458 Member Join Date: March 1, 2003 Location: Brinton,Mich. Posts: 525	JShirley--Not that bad as gun is built heavy for testing, 25 lbs...It is really what is called a Bore Rifle. Here is picture of gun.Ed. __________________ Ed Hubel.

January 23, 2006, 10:32 PM	#6
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January 23, 2006, 10:06 PM	#4
HSMITH Member Join Date: December 26, 2002 Posts: 4,933	I hope that Savage ended up at 20 pounds WITH a good muzzle brake Holy Moly!!!!!

January 23, 2006, 10:49 PM	#7
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January 23, 2006, 10:52 PM	#8
hubel458 Member Join Date: March 1, 2003 Location: Brinton,Mich. Posts: 525	Cordex--Haven't shot for groups yet, real bad weather. Just chrono testing outside backdoor into a big bundle of hardwood for backstop behind chrono.Gun has a scope rail I can put on for accuracy testing.Warm weather project.Ed. __________________ Ed Hubel.

January 23, 2006, 11:03 PM	#9
Preacherman Member Join Date: December 20, 2002 Location: Louisiana, USA Posts: 13,311	Duplicate threads merged. __________________ Proud THR plank-owner Let's put the fun back in dysfunctional!

January 23, 2006, 11:07 PM	#10
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January 23, 2006, 11:11 PM	#11
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January 23, 2006, 11:20 PM	#12
hksw Member Join Date: December 25, 2002 Location: OH Posts: 4,158	Have you developed a magnum length yet? __________________ - Ron V. ME + TYPING = NOT GOOD

January 23, 2006, 11:28 PM	#14
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January 23, 2006, 11:33 PM	#16
blackhawk2000 member Join Date: March 25, 2003 Location: Mi Posts: 851	You Sir, are insane.

January 23, 2006, 11:34 PM	#17
mustanger98 Member Join Date: June 23, 2004 Location: Union County, GA, CSA Posts: 2,986	I don't know if I want to shoot that one or not. I can see the looks on the guy's faces at the range though. __________________ "There's only two things middle of the road; the double yellow line and a dead possum." "If you're being mugged by a couple of clowns, don't hesitate; go for the juggler."

January 23, 2006, 11:46 PM	#18
Rockstar member Join Date: April 25, 2004 Posts: 1,353	Looks kind of like one of Clark's handgun rounds.

January 23, 2006, 11:55 PM	#19
hubel458 Member Join Date: March 1, 2003 Location: Brinton,Mich. Posts: 525	Preacherman--Good man-Thanks for combining threads, and the better title.. Ryan--That is why Rob floated idea for this, being able to fire shotgun rounds(plastic, paper, regular brass cases, our long brass cases) thus not under ATF rules.They don't even have to consider it or exempt it.. I have my 700HE, a long belted 3.87 inch case, built from bmg brass, that I put through the paperwork and got it registered as sporting case, which took 6 months.So I know the process. bogie-- He has our number, but he'd want one like Rob built on the Borchardt. hksw--We should have ultimate magnum.Here is pic of the Savage.Ed __________________ Ed Hubel.

January 24, 2006, 12:00 AM	#20
SB88LX Member Join Date: June 23, 2004 Location: Under tyranny in MD Posts: 256	Perfect for squirrel hunting. How much?

January 24, 2006, 12:05 AM	#21
Roudy Member Join Date: November 17, 2005 Posts: 174	Now THAT is a versatile cartridge. As a backup you could always beat something to death with the ammo....for small to medium size game you wouldn't even need to shoot it! __________________ Marines have only one problem...excessive humility!

January 24, 2006, 12:47 AM	#24
hubel458 Member Join Date: March 1, 2003 Location: Brinton,Mich. Posts: 525	Here is picture of Rob's Borchardt 12GA FH. Nice looking work he did, the real classic African style.Ed __________________ Ed Hubel.

January 24, 2006, 01:27 AM	#25
BusMaster007 Member Join Date: December 31, 2002 Location: Upper Left Coast Posts: 886	Beautiful work, Gents. __________________ "Did I mention, I REALLY LIKE GUNS?"