12GA Rifle From HELL-- - Page 7

hubel458 · April 22, 2006, 11:41 PM

John--Glad you like it-Good luck with project.
Here is picture of the original Bridger 750 gr banded solid
flat nose. 2nd is a semi-spitzer 640grI made from it, long range
capable(for vicious p-dogs). 3rd is a shortened round nose 500gr
I made from first one.And a Foster slug to compare with.Ed

Story · April 23, 2006, 01:03 AM

Someone expecting Graboids in their basement?

hubel458 · April 25, 2006, 12:28 AM

If not them, big rats. Shot loads ought to work.
Getting so many ideas on different slugs and sabot
loads,many for smoothbore,I going to have to get
a smoothbore to test with.Ed

Heavy Barrel · April 25, 2006, 08:09 AM

Not trying to start a war but enlighten me on its usefullness other than a toy.

SB88LX · April 25, 2006, 04:55 PM

Cartridge that will kill any biological life form on the earth in short order, useful enough I guess.

*edited for grammar/spelling.

Heavy Barrel · April 25, 2006, 08:04 PM

I'll buy that!

hubel458 · April 26, 2006, 09:12 PM

The biggest benefit will be for shotgun only
hunters....They may even get feeling so good,
that they will look down their noses at rifle
guys having only puny cartridges.HaHah..Ed.

hubel458 · April 28, 2006, 07:56 PM

Lefteris from greece clued me in on the Nova pumpgun.
Looked at Benelli Nova pump 12ga. It has
rotary bolt, 2 locking lugs. And they lock
into a reciever section that barrel screws into and that reciever locks into action.
Lefteris sent me the info and measurements,and
reciver ring is nearly as big as reciever on my Savage. So a heavy alloy barrel could be put
in and Lefteris figured out a way to increase
the bolt lug contact area. Should handle
25k psi.Now big question- how many other
brands of pump 10&12 gauges have rotary locking bolts,either into barrel or reciever?...I
know Al's big 4bore Tula does also.Ed.

hubel458 · May 4, 2006, 01:26 AM

Here is some sabot experimenting I did.Shot a couple of
A-Sq 900gr 600 NE slugs in a sabot I made from a heavy
12ga shotcup.Got it to 2300 at my moderate pressures.Here is picture showing slugs, shotcup and one loaded.Shotcup in case
is first one I made- too short. The ones finally used were full
length of slug up to ogive.Ed.

Coronach · May 4, 2006, 12:53 PM

...a 900 gr sabot.

Holy freakin CARP.

Use enough gun, eh?

Mike

madmike · May 4, 2006, 06:05 PM

say again

backspace and repeat

How about calling it the .729 Redneck?

bout time there was some good publicity for that epithet.

.45Guy · May 4, 2006, 06:47 PM

Quote:

How about calling it the .729 Redneck?

Dangit, I just had beer shoot from my nostrils. That is too funny.

Longbow · May 4, 2006, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Is recoil even manageable????

Better yet, is the recoil survivable??

dmckean44 · May 4, 2006, 10:26 PM

I imagine recoil would be ok but I'm not sure I could keep a 25 lb gun held straight for more than one or two shots.

hubel458 · May 5, 2006, 12:32 AM

It's not bad to hold.And if I used it regular for the
field I'd take off 5 lbs. Tailgunner a poster around the net fired it 6 times and held it ok and he is little guy.
It is such a rush firing it that it pumps you up,
kinda gives strength to deal with the weight.Ed.

spooney · May 5, 2006, 02:08 AM

I think the Winchester 1300 has a rotary bolt head, I believe with 4 locking lugs as well. I could be wrong though.

madmike · May 5, 2006, 08:29 AM

I thought the Win 1300 also had a sintered receiver. If so,

Ol` Joe · May 5, 2006, 10:16 AM

If the M1300 is similar to the old 1200 it replaced, it locks in the barrel not the reciever so the material used there dosen`t matter too much. I did hear though they are gone along with the M94 and M70, built in the same plant. The M1200 BTW had a aluminum alloy reciever.

hubel458 · May 6, 2006, 12:39 AM

Just saw pics of Win 1200-1400 in Gunparts
catalog and they have a rotating bolt that
locks into barrel, with what looks like 4 lugs.
So it has possibilities with heavy barrel, like the
Benelli Nova. Ed.

MrTwigg · May 6, 2006, 04:14 PM

I will say after reading every page of this I have nothing but respect for the quality of your work on this project. This is one fantastic rifle.

A tip O' the Stetson to you ! Again, great work !

hubel458 · May 8, 2006, 04:56 PM

Thanks MrTwigg--Soon we will be testing a few Dixie
Hollowbase hardened slugs, for speed.And some brass slugs
from Greece. Very interesting project.There is an order
getting set up to have Hawk make some soft jacketed
750 gr 12ga bullets.Ed.

hubel458 · May 11, 2006, 02:30 AM

Measured the 12ga sabot for the 3/4 oz Barnes
that Federal loads, will also hold various 500 S&W bullets
out there and the lightest 505 bullets.The 3/4 oz Barnes
is .500 diameter. 505 fits pretty good also.Amazing all the stuff you can put together for our cartridge.Ed.

Wes Janson · May 12, 2006, 04:31 PM

Unbelievable. It's truly special to see such wild experimentation going on, unfortunately not a common sight. I only wish I lived closer, so I could watch firsthand. Neat!

hubel458 · May 15, 2006, 12:02 AM

More experimenting with sabots--I found that
the front section of a 50 bmg bore rider bullet, it
is 2nd in picture, fits in the sabot. It
is 470 grains, really streamlined.And
you can buy them by the ton, just cut back
portion that is .510 diameter, off, and that leaves
front part for a .500 dia bullet,
1.5 inches long..Good for armor plated chucks.
First in picture is original
sabot with Barnes 3/4 oz hollowpoint slug.
3rd is the 900gr 600NE slug in my sabot
made from heavy shotcup. Got it up to 2300,low pressure.
4th on the miniature digital scale is an older Barnes .580 cal
saboted slug expanded, it's 435gr.Ed.

P95Carry · May 15, 2006, 12:05 AM

900 grain/2300 - wow!!!

Geez, that's approx 10,500 ft lbs - heck - dambuster material !!!

April 22, 2006, 11:41 PM	#151
hubel458 Member Join Date: March 1, 2003 Location: Brinton,Mich. Posts: 525	John--Glad you like it-Good luck with project. Here is picture of the original Bridger 750 gr banded solid flat nose. 2nd is a semi-spitzer 640grI made from it, long range capable(for vicious p-dogs). 3rd is a shortened round nose 500gr I made from first one.And a Foster slug to compare with.Ed __________________ Ed Hubel.

April 25, 2006, 12:28 AM	#153
hubel458 Member Join Date: March 1, 2003 Location: Brinton,Mich. Posts: 525	If not them, big rats. Shot loads ought to work. Getting so many ideas on different slugs and sabot loads,many for smoothbore,I going to have to get a smoothbore to test with.Ed __________________ Ed Hubel.

April 25, 2006, 04:55 PM	#155
SB88LX Member Join Date: June 23, 2004 Location: Under tyranny in MD Posts: 256	Cartridge that will kill any biological life form on the earth in short order, useful enough I guess. edited for grammar/spelling. Last edited by SB88LX; April 26, 2006 at 03:35 PM.*

April 26, 2006, 09:12 PM	#157
hubel458 Member Join Date: March 1, 2003 Location: Brinton,Mich. Posts: 525	The biggest benefit will be for shotgun only hunters....They may even get feeling so good, that they will look down their noses at rifle guys having only puny cartridges.HaHah..Ed. __________________ Ed Hubel.

April 28, 2006, 07:56 PM	#158
hubel458 Member Join Date: March 1, 2003 Location: Brinton,Mich. Posts: 525	Lefteris from greece clued me in on the Nova pumpgun. Looked at Benelli Nova pump 12ga. It has rotary bolt, 2 locking lugs. And they lock into a reciever section that barrel screws into and that reciever locks into action. Lefteris sent me the info and measurements,and reciver ring is nearly as big as reciever on my Savage. So a heavy alloy barrel could be put in and Lefteris figured out a way to increase the bolt lug contact area. Should handle 25k psi.Now big question- how many other brands of pump 10&12 gauges have rotary locking bolts,either into barrel or reciever?...I know Al's big 4bore Tula does also.Ed. __________________ Ed Hubel.

April 23, 2006, 01:03 AM	#152
Story Member Join Date: May 15, 2005 Posts: 12	Someone expecting Graboids in their basement?

April 25, 2006, 08:09 AM	#154
Heavy Barrel Member Join Date: March 25, 2004 Location: Wherever I am at the time. Posts: 79	Not trying to start a war but enlighten me on its usefullness other than a toy.

April 25, 2006, 08:04 PM	#156
Heavy Barrel Member Join Date: March 25, 2004 Location: Wherever I am at the time. Posts: 79	I'll buy that!

May 4, 2006, 01:26 AM	#159
hubel458 Member Join Date: March 1, 2003 Location: Brinton,Mich. Posts: 525	Here is some sabot experimenting I did.Shot a couple of A-Sq 900gr 600 NE slugs in a sabot I made from a heavy 12ga shotcup.Got it to 2300 at my moderate pressures.Here is picture showing slugs, shotcup and one loaded.Shotcup in case is first one I made- too short. The ones finally used were full length of slug up to ogive.Ed. __________________ Ed Hubel.

May 4, 2006, 12:53 PM	#160
Coronach Moderator Emeritus Join Date: December 20, 2002 Posts: 11,113	...a 900 gr sabot. Holy freakin CARP. Use enough gun, eh? Mike __________________ How is my M&P40 shooting? 99.78% reliable. (This is, unfortunately, out of date...it's only gotten better, I just need to put in the data). Wanted to Buy: vz24, Swedish, Siamese and various contract Mausers, in excellent condition (no scrubbed crests, please). Also, looking for a BHP in Ohio for FTF.

May 4, 2006, 06:05 PM	#161
madmike Member Join Date: January 5, 2003 Location: In a well-equipped suburban bunker Posts: 2,088	say again backspace and repeat How about calling it the .729 Redneck? bout time there was some good publicity for that epithet. __________________ http://SharpPointyThings.com http://www.MichaelZWilliamson.com FREEHOLD, Jan 04 from Baen Books THE WEAPON, Aug 05 from Baen Books CONFIRMED KILL, Sep 05 from HarperCollins BETTER TO BEG FORGIVENESS..., Winter 07 from Baen Books ~~~ "The Finest battle implement ever devised." Ung the Caveman on the M1 Pointy Stick.

May 4, 2006, 10:26 PM	#164
dmckean44 Member Join Date: March 28, 2006 Posts: 235	I imagine recoil would be ok but I'm not sure I could keep a 25 lb gun held straight for more than one or two shots.

May 5, 2006, 12:32 AM	#165
hubel458 Member Join Date: March 1, 2003 Location: Brinton,Mich. Posts: 525	It's not bad to hold.And if I used it regular for the field I'd take off 5 lbs. Tailgunner a poster around the net fired it 6 times and held it ok and he is little guy. It is such a rush firing it that it pumps you up, kinda gives strength to deal with the weight.Ed. __________________ Ed Hubel.

May 5, 2006, 02:08 AM	#166
spooney Member Join Date: September 13, 2005 Location: Montana Posts: 436	I think the Winchester 1300 has a rotary bolt head, I believe with 4 locking lugs as well. I could be wrong though.

May 5, 2006, 08:29 AM	#167
madmike Member Join Date: January 5, 2003 Location: In a well-equipped suburban bunker Posts: 2,088	I thought the Win 1300 also had a sintered receiver. If so, __________________ http://SharpPointyThings.com http://www.MichaelZWilliamson.com FREEHOLD, Jan 04 from Baen Books THE WEAPON, Aug 05 from Baen Books CONFIRMED KILL, Sep 05 from HarperCollins BETTER TO BEG FORGIVENESS..., Winter 07 from Baen Books ~~~ "The Finest battle implement ever devised." Ung the Caveman on the M1 Pointy Stick.

May 5, 2006, 10:16 AM	#168
Ol` Joe Member Join Date: February 25, 2004 Location: michigan Posts: 2,087	If the M1300 is similar to the old 1200 it replaced, it locks in the barrel not the reciever so the material used there dosen`t matter too much. I did hear though they are gone along with the M94 and M70, built in the same plant. The M1200 BTW had a aluminum alloy reciever. __________________ "Saepe errans, numquam dubitans --Frequently in error, never in doubt". http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/2941/284die.jpg Patriotism is supporting your country all the time and your government when they deserve it. --Mark Twain

May 6, 2006, 12:39 AM	#169
hubel458 Member Join Date: March 1, 2003 Location: Brinton,Mich. Posts: 525	Just saw pics of Win 1200-1400 in Gunparts catalog and they have a rotating bolt that locks into barrel, with what looks like 4 lugs. So it has possibilities with heavy barrel, like the Benelli Nova. Ed. __________________ Ed Hubel.

May 6, 2006, 04:14 PM	#170
MrTwigg Member Join Date: January 6, 2006 Location: Where the river flows north Posts: 564	My second time on this thread... I will say after reading every page of this I have nothing but respect for the quality of your work on this project. This is one fantastic rifle. A tip O' the Stetson to you ! Again, great work ! __________________ I stand with Rand !

May 8, 2006, 04:56 PM	#171
hubel458 Member Join Date: March 1, 2003 Location: Brinton,Mich. Posts: 525	Thanks MrTwigg--Soon we will be testing a few Dixie Hollowbase hardened slugs, for speed.And some brass slugs from Greece. Very interesting project.There is an order getting set up to have Hawk make some soft jacketed 750 gr 12ga bullets.Ed. __________________ Ed Hubel.

May 11, 2006, 02:30 AM	#172
hubel458 Member Join Date: March 1, 2003 Location: Brinton,Mich. Posts: 525	Measured the 12ga sabot for the 3/4 oz Barnes that Federal loads, will also hold various 500 S&W bullets out there and the lightest 505 bullets.The 3/4 oz Barnes is .500 diameter. 505 fits pretty good also.Amazing all the stuff you can put together for our cartridge.Ed. __________________ Ed Hubel.

May 12, 2006, 04:31 PM	#173
Wes Janson Member Join Date: May 12, 2006 Posts: 1,963	Unbelievable. It's truly special to see such wild experimentation going on, unfortunately not a common sight. I only wish I lived closer, so I could watch firsthand. Neat!

May 15, 2006, 12:02 AM	#174
hubel458 Member Join Date: March 1, 2003 Location: Brinton,Mich. Posts: 525	More experimenting with sabots--I found that the front section of a 50 bmg bore rider bullet, it is 2nd in picture, fits in the sabot. It is 470 grains, really streamlined.And you can buy them by the ton, just cut back portion that is .510 diameter, off, and that leaves front part for a .500 dia bullet, 1.5 inches long..Good for armor plated chucks. First in picture is original sabot with Barnes 3/4 oz hollowpoint slug. 3rd is the 900gr 600NE slug in my sabot made from heavy shotcup. Got it up to 2300,low pressure. 4th on the miniature digital scale is an older Barnes .580 cal saboted slug expanded, it's 435gr.Ed. __________________ Ed Hubel.

May 15, 2006, 12:05 AM	#175
P95Carry Moderator Emeritus Join Date: January 3, 2003 Location: South PA, and a bit West of center! Posts: 16,341	900 grain/2300 - wow!!! Geez, that's approx 10,500 ft lbs - heck - dambuster material !!! __________________ Chris - P95. Guns don't kill people - people kill people. NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member. Second Amendment Portal - RKBA-2A.com ______________________________