12GA Rifle From HELL-- - Page 21

hubel458 · April 22, 2008, 02:01 AM

My boxs of truth is 6 ft thick bundles
of hardwood. The drywall is
just in front of it.Lead slugs go 3/4 of
the way through. 750 gr solids
went all the way through. With
12GA FH long brss case.

Pressures-12gaFH brass case is
between 20k and 35k psi.Bolt gun.
10 & 12ga plastic up to 16k psi,
in NEFs, break actions.

8 ga plastic 25k psi in bolt gun.
Don't know what 8ga will do in
a break action until we a modern
one rigged up.

Lining up cars might do but due to high price
of junk there are none left here.Ed

jackdanson · April 22, 2008, 02:12 AM

Maybe we should put this in the shotgun forum so the feds don't come get you?

j/k, kind of.....

dennisH87 · April 22, 2008, 04:31 AM

That is one BEAST of a gun.

hubel458 · April 22, 2008, 11:30 PM

Earlier this winter I tried that.
I asked the folks here to put it in
shotgun forum as so much of the
work is, and is going to be shotgun
related. I just want the post count and view count kept with the thread
also. The view count is the highest
of any forum, that we have this
info on, and talked about. Ed

neapoi · April 24, 2008, 12:56 AM

Love what you've done here! Thank you SO MUCH for your contribution to this community, and the firearms community at large!

hubel458 · April 25, 2008, 12:31 PM

I also have two other cartridges with my name
on them that I am promoting. They are my 700HE
and my 585BHE. They both belted straight cases.
Montana Rifle company is coming out with their
big PH action and some guys will be doing my
cases in them.

Info on the 585BHE. It will work in
any gun that handles 505 Gibbs like Enfield, CZ,
Ruger,etc.Mine is in Enfield.Here is picture of
of one next to Trex. And mine holds 15gr more
powder than that Trex case. 585BHE will do 750
grain from 1800 to 2800 fps in my Enfield.

Anyone interested setting up a gun, contact me
I will furnish reamer and 15 free cases. Cases are
headstamped. When done return reamer to me, for
the next guy. I will keep them sharpened. After a
few guys have guns we all will get together with
others wanting some and get a run of brass made.
These cases are all drawn high pressure brass.
I'd like guys to ask for reamer when gun is going
to be ready to chamber, that way reamers get the
most guns done in shortest time.Ed

hubel458 · May 1, 2008, 01:34 AM

On Fri May 2 8pm on the Science Channel ,they will have
an article about the heavy barrel cannons that shoot
the brass cases for bomb disposal.They are the same as
our 12GA FH case,when resized in my dies and are shown
in this thread a couple months back in picture.
It will show them using them for bomb disposal. Ed

hubel458 · May 6, 2008, 10:54 PM

Testing 8GA FH in Enfield, 1050 gr slug in wad cup, 120 gr
of 4759, over 2000 fps. Cases extract easy. Hardly any
base cup expansion...Ed

willie t · May 9, 2008, 07:49 PM

hello all,i seem to find these threads late but it takes some time to search this forum,this thread brought back memories of something i found a few years back,did not build it and have never fired it,i do know it was built to fire 12ga brass car

tidges ,barrel is rifled looks like one twist full length of barrel,don't remember how many groves,it was built by a barrel maker in rome,georgia.don't know when,he stamped his name and location on the barrel,best i can make it out is B.C. ADS CKS,maybe some of the old pros out there will know more,i used a small coca cola bottle for a little scale

Der Verge · May 9, 2008, 09:14 PM

Ed, Tailgunner and I are just waiting for you to finish up. I cannot wait to knock my first white tail in to the next county with one of those. Any accuracy tests yet? Or are you still just pushing the envelope?

hubel458 · May 10, 2008, 01:28 AM

I don't know if I am ever finished,
So many wild ideas. With peep sights
on Savage got 3" at 50 yds.Bad eyes and all. Some fellows used our
plastic 12ga case loads for critters.
I also am concentrating on my two
wildcats getting them out to big bore
nuts, and built on as many guns
as possible. Ed

hubel458 · May 12, 2008, 12:50 AM

Here is picture of a sectioned 8ga plastic case
showing how heavy and strong it is built. The
plastic is one piece compressioned formed and
the sides of the cases are twice as thick as
12ga cases.You can see the double thickness
of the base cup. Ed

hubel458 · May 21, 2008, 08:23 PM

Here is picture of the bolt setup for the 8ga
Enfield we did.Also comparison to a Mauser
12ga shotgun bolt conversion, from which
I got the concept. Ed

hubel458 · May 31, 2008, 12:13 AM

I was asked how I got 8ga heavy barrel so quick.
First it is smoothbore, second a 110 bucks total shipping and all.
First I bought a 1.5 inch dia 4130 alloy, heat treated, shaft,
32" long. Then I had a deep hole drilling company drill
a .832" hole in it. Came out centered on both ends.
Then after it got here I used cylinder hone to polish
the inside of the bore. Threaded it, chambered it, and put
in the Enfield bolt action. The heat treating it had was just like
the barrel stock that barrel guys get. Ed.

Jst1mr · May 31, 2008, 01:12 AM

Can you make a shot load out of the big brass (Like .22 rimfire shotshells)? Would be great for those pesky anacondas...maybe even a passable turkey load (the country, not the bird!)

jrpbullrider · May 31, 2008, 01:59 AM

I just found this Post and I love what you have done. I would like to get one of them one day but it would be great to see a video, are you able to put a video up yet?
Keep up the great work.
John

hubel458 · June 1, 2008, 11:53 AM

We hope to get video stuff later on.
And maybe our isp post it.
We have a slow barb wire fence
phone line so I couldn't post a video
on site until that is fixed.

As for shot loads, I've tested buckshot in my long 12ga brass case.
used 12 #0 at 2000 fps, shot went
through 1/8" steel. Put a card over
the shot, glued it in. Ed

Der Verge · June 1, 2008, 02:21 PM

That is one hell of a door breaching charge!

hubel458 · June 12, 2008, 12:20 AM

For those wanting to see video of the 12GA FH in
the Savage busting big pail of water, one of the
kids posted it on Youtube- Titled "Grampa's Cannon".
I just found out that it is on there.
This was the video that the still pictures posted
before, was takem from. They have the sound
muted so as not to hurt camera sound system. Ed

hubel458 · June 17, 2008, 02:57 AM

Load of 12 triple ought buckshot in 8ga. They are
70gr each, total 840 gr, and over 2000 fps with
125 gr of 4759. Ed
Here is URL for the waterpail busting video above--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUNHszY4ACM

hubel458 · June 21, 2008, 12:10 AM

The 3 ought buckshot over 2000 fps
in 8 ga goes through 2" hardwood
planks real nice. Also that load as
well as the 770gr slug load hardly
kicks due to gun setup, with weight
and thumbhole stock. Later I will test
a 800 gr 8ga hollowpoint at good speed
on a 6 gallon water pail.Ed

stealth · June 21, 2008, 03:21 AM

Man oh man this is one of my favorite threads, What makes it great is the updates Ed gives us on the firearms+ammunition.

Keep it up Ed.

wristtwister · June 21, 2008, 06:57 AM

Permanently mounted on the front of a vehicle, that would make a nice small artillery piece...

WT

hubel458 · June 22, 2008, 10:26 AM

Tailgunner suggested mounting one
on rollover bar on pickup, like military
MG mount.Shooter standing in box
have good vision. But alas MI doesn't
allow shooting game from vehicle.Ed

Der Verge · June 22, 2008, 09:34 PM

Ed, if you remove the engine, it is perfectly legal to shoot from a vehicle in MI. Just call that old Jeep your new blind!

April 22, 2008, 02:01 AM	#501
hubel458 Member Join Date: March 1, 2003 Location: Brinton,Mich. Posts: 525	My boxs of truth is 6 ft thick bundles of hardwood. The drywall is just in front of it.Lead slugs go 3/4 of the way through. 750 gr solids went all the way through. With 12GA FH long brss case. Pressures-12gaFH brass case is between 20k and 35k psi.Bolt gun. 10 & 12ga plastic up to 16k psi, in NEFs, break actions. 8 ga plastic 25k psi in bolt gun. Don't know what 8ga will do in a break action until we a modern one rigged up. Lining up cars might do but due to high price of junk there are none left here.Ed __________________ Ed Hubel.

April 22, 2008, 11:30 PM	#504
hubel458 Member Join Date: March 1, 2003 Location: Brinton,Mich. Posts: 525	Earlier this winter I tried that. I asked the folks here to put it in shotgun forum as so much of the work is, and is going to be shotgun related. I just want the post count and view count kept with the thread also. The view count is the highest of any forum, that we have this info on, and talked about. Ed __________________ Ed Hubel.

April 25, 2008, 12:31 PM	#506
hubel458 Member Join Date: March 1, 2003 Location: Brinton,Mich. Posts: 525	I also have two other cartridges with my name on them that I am promoting. They are my 700HE and my 585BHE. They both belted straight cases. Montana Rifle company is coming out with their big PH action and some guys will be doing my cases in them. Info on the 585BHE. It will work in any gun that handles 505 Gibbs like Enfield, CZ, Ruger,etc.Mine is in Enfield.Here is picture of of one next to Trex. And mine holds 15gr more powder than that Trex case. 585BHE will do 750 grain from 1800 to 2800 fps in my Enfield. Anyone interested setting up a gun, contact me I will furnish reamer and 15 free cases. Cases are headstamped. When done return reamer to me, for the next guy. I will keep them sharpened. After a few guys have guns we all will get together with others wanting some and get a run of brass made. These cases are all drawn high pressure brass. I'd like guys to ask for reamer when gun is going to be ready to chamber, that way reamers get the most guns done in shortest time.Ed __________________ Ed Hubel.

May 1, 2008, 01:34 AM	#507
hubel458 Member Join Date: March 1, 2003 Location: Brinton,Mich. Posts: 525	On Fri May 2 8pm on the Science Channel ,they will have an article about the heavy barrel cannons that shoot the brass cases for bomb disposal.They are the same as our 12GA FH case,when resized in my dies and are shown in this thread a couple months back in picture. It will show them using them for bomb disposal. Ed __________________ Ed Hubel.

May 6, 2008, 10:54 PM	#508
hubel458 Member Join Date: March 1, 2003 Location: Brinton,Mich. Posts: 525	Testing 8GA FH in Enfield, 1050 gr slug in wad cup, 120 gr of 4759, over 2000 fps. Cases extract easy. Hardly any base cup expansion...Ed __________________ Ed Hubel.

April 22, 2008, 02:12 AM	#502
jackdanson Member Join Date: February 14, 2008 Posts: 859	Maybe we should put this in the shotgun forum so the feds don't come get you? j/k, kind of.....

April 22, 2008, 04:31 AM	#503
dennisH87 Member Join Date: January 16, 2006 Location: indiana, US Posts: 152	That is one BEAST of a gun.

April 24, 2008, 12:56 AM	#505
neapoi Member Join Date: April 6, 2008 Location: Walla Walla Washington, USA Posts: 28	Love what you've done here! Thank you SO MUCH for your contribution to this community, and the firearms community at large!

May 9, 2008, 07:49 PM	#509
willie t Member Join Date: April 8, 2008 Location: georgia Posts: 11	hello all,i seem to find these threads late but it takes some time to search this forum,this thread brought back memories of something i found a few years back,did not build it and have never fired it,i do know it was built to fire 12ga brass cartidges ,barrel is rifled looks like one twist full length of barrel,don't remember how many groves,it was built by a barrel maker in rome,georgia.don't know when,he stamped his name and location on the barrel,best i can make it out is B.C. ADS CKS,maybe some of the old pros out there will know more,i used a small coca cola bottle for a little scale

May 9, 2008, 09:14 PM	#510
Der Verge Member Join Date: May 1, 2008 Location: Sportsman's paradise Posts: 233	Ed, Tailgunner and I are just waiting for you to finish up. I cannot wait to knock my first white tail in to the next county with one of those. Any accuracy tests yet? Or are you still just pushing the envelope?

May 10, 2008, 01:28 AM	#511
hubel458 Member Join Date: March 1, 2003 Location: Brinton,Mich. Posts: 525	I don't know if I am ever finished, So many wild ideas. With peep sights on Savage got 3" at 50 yds.Bad eyes and all. Some fellows used our plastic 12ga case loads for critters. I also am concentrating on my two wildcats getting them out to big bore nuts, and built on as many guns as possible. Ed __________________ Ed Hubel.

May 12, 2008, 12:50 AM	#512
hubel458 Member Join Date: March 1, 2003 Location: Brinton,Mich. Posts: 525	Here is picture of a sectioned 8ga plastic case showing how heavy and strong it is built. The plastic is one piece compressioned formed and the sides of the cases are twice as thick as 12ga cases.You can see the double thickness of the base cup. Ed __________________ Ed Hubel.

May 21, 2008, 08:23 PM	#513
hubel458 Member Join Date: March 1, 2003 Location: Brinton,Mich. Posts: 525	Here is picture of the bolt setup for the 8ga Enfield we did.Also comparison to a Mauser 12ga shotgun bolt conversion, from which I got the concept. Ed __________________ Ed Hubel.

May 31, 2008, 12:13 AM	#514
hubel458 Member Join Date: March 1, 2003 Location: Brinton,Mich. Posts: 525	I was asked how I got 8ga heavy barrel so quick. First it is smoothbore, second a 110 bucks total shipping and all. First I bought a 1.5 inch dia 4130 alloy, heat treated, shaft, 32" long. Then I had a deep hole drilling company drill a .832" hole in it. Came out centered on both ends. Then after it got here I used cylinder hone to polish the inside of the bore. Threaded it, chambered it, and put in the Enfield bolt action. The heat treating it had was just like the barrel stock that barrel guys get. Ed. __________________ Ed Hubel.

May 31, 2008, 01:12 AM	#515
Jst1mr Member Join Date: April 22, 2008 Posts: 277	Can you make a shot load out of the big brass (Like .22 rimfire shotshells)? Would be great for those pesky anacondas...maybe even a passable turkey load (the country, not the bird!)

May 31, 2008, 01:59 AM	#516
jrpbullrider Member Join Date: April 18, 2008 Location: Lampasas, TX Posts: 52	I just found this Post and I love what you have done. I would like to get one of them one day but it would be great to see a video, are you able to put a video up yet? Keep up the great work. John

June 1, 2008, 11:53 AM	#517
hubel458 Member Join Date: March 1, 2003 Location: Brinton,Mich. Posts: 525	We hope to get video stuff later on. And maybe our isp post it. We have a slow barb wire fence phone line so I couldn't post a video on site until that is fixed. As for shot loads, I've tested buckshot in my long 12ga brass case. used 12 #0 at 2000 fps, shot went through 1/8" steel. Put a card over the shot, glued it in. Ed __________________ Ed Hubel.

June 1, 2008, 02:21 PM	#518
Der Verge Member Join Date: May 1, 2008 Location: Sportsman's paradise Posts: 233	That is one hell of a door breaching charge!

June 12, 2008, 12:20 AM	#519
hubel458 Member Join Date: March 1, 2003 Location: Brinton,Mich. Posts: 525	For those wanting to see video of the 12GA FH in the Savage busting big pail of water, one of the kids posted it on Youtube- Titled "Grampa's Cannon". I just found out that it is on there. This was the video that the still pictures posted before, was takem from. They have the sound muted so as not to hurt camera sound system. Ed __________________ Ed Hubel.

June 17, 2008, 02:57 AM	#520
hubel458 Member Join Date: March 1, 2003 Location: Brinton,Mich. Posts: 525	Load of 12 triple ought buckshot in 8ga. They are 70gr each, total 840 gr, and over 2000 fps with 125 gr of 4759. Ed Here is URL for the waterpail busting video above-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUNHszY4ACM __________________ Ed Hubel.

June 21, 2008, 12:10 AM	#521
hubel458 Member Join Date: March 1, 2003 Location: Brinton,Mich. Posts: 525	The 3 ought buckshot over 2000 fps in 8 ga goes through 2" hardwood planks real nice. Also that load as well as the 770gr slug load hardly kicks due to gun setup, with weight and thumbhole stock. Later I will test a 800 gr 8ga hollowpoint at good speed on a 6 gallon water pail.Ed __________________ Ed Hubel.

June 21, 2008, 03:21 AM	#522
stealth Member Join Date: January 10, 2008 Posts: 128	Man oh man this is one of my favorite threads, What makes it great is the updates Ed gives us on the firearms+ammunition. Keep it up Ed.

June 21, 2008, 06:57 AM	#523
wristtwister Member Join Date: March 28, 2008 Posts: 419	Permanently mounted on the front of a vehicle, that would make a nice small artillery piece... WT __________________ "What man is a man that does not make the world a better place?"... from "Kingdom of Heaven" The only time America is safe is when congress and the Senate are out of session. Why carry "high capacity" pistols (or more than one gun)? The answer was found in the movie "Unforgiven"... where the one armed sheriff's deputy had only one arm and three guns... his reply..."I don't want to get killed for a lack of shootin' back"... I usta kudn't spel engineer, an' now I ar wun...

June 22, 2008, 10:26 AM	#524
hubel458 Member Join Date: March 1, 2003 Location: Brinton,Mich. Posts: 525	Tailgunner suggested mounting one on rollover bar on pickup, like military MG mount.Shooter standing in box have good vision. But alas MI doesn't allow shooting game from vehicle.Ed __________________ Ed Hubel.

June 22, 2008, 09:34 PM	#525
Der Verge Member Join Date: May 1, 2008 Location: Sportsman's paradise Posts: 233	Ed, if you remove the engine, it is perfectly legal to shoot from a vehicle in MI. Just call that old Jeep your new blind! __________________ Screw China, Walmart, Sam's, and ALL the products made/sold there. Wake up people, the world runs on money. If you keep sending it all to China, how will you finance the defence of the 2nd ammendment?