12GA Rifle From HELL-- - Page 3

madmike · January 26, 2006, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by hubel458

Madmike--It is .729 groove diameter.The action could
do a ten guage as rim and base is only .050 inch bigger.
As long as you use heavy thick barrel like we did,
with ten guage bore of .775..There is no brass though,
that could be converted to a long brass 10ga case like
we did for 12ga.Ed.

I was mistaking the size of 10 gauge as being near .88, for the Johnny Dangerously reference. Sorry for the confusion.

danurve · January 26, 2006, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SB88LX

Perfect for squirrel hunting. How much?

Ahh you beat me too it!

hubel458 · January 26, 2006, 01:39 PM

only1-Yes the action could handle 500NE, 577NE, 600NE at top
rifle pressure levels, where they are not loaded to right now
in the guns they are used in,like doubles,It could handle
full pressures in 500ASq,etc,It could handle Same pressure
as I am doing now, 35,000, in the 700NE, which is what
they load them, for doubles.
Madmike-The 88 reference may be to the tank round, as
when my gun is ready to go, I say to people to stand behind as
it sounds like an 88.Ed.

P95Carry · January 26, 2006, 02:19 PM

Ed - out of interest and if you are able to divulge - what charge of what powder??

I am seeing this as not too different from an ''overgrown'' 45-70 with regard to long parallel case with heavy projectile atop. My top load 45-70's are probably pushing the upper 35,000 limit - I checked back thru the thread and seem to recall a mention of that same pressure figure with this beast - is that right?

Seems this would require a pretty slow powder to safely accelerate the large pill. Energy figures seem to be around 50 BMG level.

bowfin · January 26, 2006, 02:29 PM

When are you going to start on +P loads?

hubel458 · January 26, 2006, 04:22 PM

Bowfin--Rob does the P+ in the Borchardt which can handle
60-70,000 psi loads.

P95-- Yes we get BMG energy levels, only with a fatter
bullet.Yes I use slow high energy ball powders.And stay
below 35,000.Most loads less than 30,000, like with
730gr hard lead slug and 320g of WC-860 surplus I get
2400 fps,Same bullet with 320gr of AA Magpro gives
2700 fps,for a 35k load.Now I could go to 3000 with W-760/W748, but pressures
would be above what I wanted for the thickness of the action.
If I can get heavy walled action done to put 3 lug bolt and
parts that is in present Savage 210, into, then it could go to higher pressures-Ed.

mustanger98 · January 26, 2006, 04:31 PM

What I wonder is whether or not it would be safe to chamber this rifle in .50BMG. Would the pressure be too high in the Savage action?

hubel458 · January 26, 2006, 04:42 PM

Mustanger--It would do if you keep pressures down, but I
don't know what powder.Maybe use charcoal.It would have to
be much slower than Hogdons H50 BMG, which is the slowest
I have,And you couldn't go below 90% case volume with powder fill
trying to get lower velocities, as you risk detonation,
a problem with part loads of slow powders.Sguib loads using
AA 5744 might do but I am not brave enough to try, on that
big of bottlenecked case.Ed.

mustanger98 · January 26, 2006, 04:52 PM

hubel458, I see what you're saying.

Another possible issue would be whether or not a .50BMG could even be fed into the chamber without removing the bolt, but that's a small isssue, and a non-issue, if the rest of the load is unsafe.

Much as I like to handload, I may be crazy according to some people I know, but I ain't stupid. I think I'll let this one alone. Now, to fire it as a 12guage slug in that modified .50BMG case looks rather tame.

hubel458 · January 26, 2006, 06:14 PM

Mustanger98--Yep 50 cal isn't the end all anymore,
but when you can take 12ga lead slugs and get same power,now that is special.And I know a few with the 700NE fever,that
see our old Savage as a way to get there.Especially those
guys doing their own work..Ed.

bowfin · January 26, 2006, 06:36 PM

I can't wait until Smith & Wesson comes out with it in revolver form!

nfl1990 · January 26, 2006, 07:56 PM

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I can't wait until Smith & Wesson comes out with it in revolver form!

Don't worry they will.

Have you tried any buckshot loads in that yet?

MDG1976 · January 26, 2006, 08:00 PM

But is it more powerful than the .45 ACP?

Fire4Effect · January 26, 2006, 08:46 PM

Nice work... I'll keep that in mind if I ever need some anti-aircraft rounds...

hubel458 · January 26, 2006, 08:47 PM

nfl1990--I've got to get some big shot cups and buckshot,
next week hopefully, and see how it works.Ed.

P95Carry · January 26, 2006, 08:51 PM

Thx for load feedback Ed - hmmmm - 22 loads to the # - this thing is a real powder burner!

.

Outstanding.

Schleprok62 · January 26, 2006, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Roudy

Now THAT is a versatile cartridge. As a backup you could always beat something to death with the ammo....for small to medium size game you wouldn't even need to shoot it!

Yeah... just showing off the shell would be enough for surrender, or cause instant cardiac arrest!!!

Great for small game, if you only intend to taxi the FEET!!!

mustanger98 · January 26, 2006, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire4Effect

Nice work... I'll keep that in mind if I ever need some anti-aircraft rounds...

I know that had to be a joke because as an anti-aircraft deal, this being single shot, it'd have the same problem as a Barrett .50BMG. Keep up that kind of talk and you'll have the gun grabbers after this one too.

madmike · January 26, 2006, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hubel458

Madmike-The 88 reference may be to the tank round, as
when my gun is ready to go, I say to people to stand behind as
it sounds like an 88.Ed.

No the .88 magnum was in the movie Johnny Dangerously, with several jokes about extreme firepower.

The_Antibubba · January 26, 2006, 11:02 PM

Whatever you do, don't add a pistol grip or a threaded muzzle-I want this to be CALIFORNIA LEGAL!!!!!

I think we can end the debate over "Best one shot stopper". Can anyone say, "DNA remains testing"?

mrmeval · January 26, 2006, 11:48 PM

What does it take machine wise to build something like that? A friend has been entertained by this thread for the past week and really wants it.
;-)

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Originally Posted by hubel458

JShirley--Not that bad as gun is built heavy for testing,
25 lbs...It is really what is called a Bore Rifle.
Here is picture of gun.Ed.

hubel458 · January 27, 2006, 12:31 AM

Mrmevel--Lathe to thread barrel, shape barrel, mill to
open the loading port for more length and level bottom of reciever to fit a steel recoil block that I put in the stock, adding extra lug on barrel for recoil or use a barrel band for recoil - tools for inleting stock(there is no stock you can buy to fit,and light plastic one it comes with won't work), grinders,etc.Ed.

hubel458 · January 27, 2006, 07:23 PM

Recovered one of the Dixie 730 gr slugs stopped by
4 ft of hardwood in a bundle.It was turned into a lump
but still had 81% of original weight..Great way to
transfer all the energy into the target.Ed.

Spiggy · January 28, 2006, 04:09 AM

Ok, you know what, I'm sure everyone here agrees when I say...

WE WANT A MOVIE CLIP!!!

taralon · January 28, 2006, 11:42 AM

hubel458,

Pardon a question from a newbie to the board (thank madmike for crossposting a linke to this) but what is the case volume for this monster?

Quote:

Originally Posted by hubel458

Mustanger--It would do if you keep pressures down, but I
don't know what powder.Maybe use charcoal.It would have to
be much slower than Hogdons H50 BMG, which is the slowest
I have,And you couldn't go below 90% case volume with powder fill
trying to get lower velocities, as you risk detonation,
a problem with part loads of slow powders.Sguib loads using
AA 5744 might do but I am not brave enough to try, on that
big of bottlenecked case.Ed.

January 26, 2006, 01:39 PM	#53
hubel458 Member Join Date: March 1, 2003 Location: Brinton,Mich. Posts: 525	only1-Yes the action could handle 500NE, 577NE, 600NE at top rifle pressure levels, where they are not loaded to right now in the guns they are used in,like doubles,It could handle full pressures in 500ASq,etc,It could handle Same pressure as I am doing now, 35,000, in the 700NE, which is what they load them, for doubles. Madmike-The 88 reference may be to the tank round, as when my gun is ready to go, I say to people to stand behind as it sounds like an 88.Ed. __________________ Ed Hubel.

January 26, 2006, 02:19 PM	#54
P95Carry Moderator Emeritus Join Date: January 3, 2003 Location: South PA, and a bit West of center! Posts: 16,341	Ed - out of interest and if you are able to divulge - what charge of what powder?? I am seeing this as not too different from an ''overgrown'' 45-70 with regard to long parallel case with heavy projectile atop. My top load 45-70's are probably pushing the upper 35,000 limit - I checked back thru the thread and seem to recall a mention of that same pressure figure with this beast - is that right? Seems this would require a pretty slow powder to safely accelerate the large pill. Energy figures seem to be around 50 BMG level. __________________ Chris - P95. Guns don't kill people - people kill people. NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member. Second Amendment Portal - RKBA-2A.com ______________________________

January 26, 2006, 04:22 PM	#56
hubel458 Member Join Date: March 1, 2003 Location: Brinton,Mich. Posts: 525	Bowfin--Rob does the P+ in the Borchardt which can handle 60-70,000 psi loads. P95-- Yes we get BMG energy levels, only with a fatter bullet.Yes I use slow high energy ball powders.And stay below 35,000.Most loads less than 30,000, like with 730gr hard lead slug and 320g of WC-860 surplus I get 2400 fps,Same bullet with 320gr of AA Magpro gives 2700 fps,for a 35k load.Now I could go to 3000 with W-760/W748, but pressures would be above what I wanted for the thickness of the action. If I can get heavy walled action done to put 3 lug bolt and parts that is in present Savage 210, into, then it could go to higher pressures-Ed. __________________ Ed Hubel.

January 26, 2006, 04:31 PM	#57
mustanger98 Member Join Date: June 23, 2004 Location: Union County, GA, CSA Posts: 2,986	What I wonder is whether or not it would be safe to chamber this rifle in .50BMG. Would the pressure be too high in the Savage action? __________________ "There's only two things middle of the road; the double yellow line and a dead possum." "If you're being mugged by a couple of clowns, don't hesitate; go for the juggler."

January 26, 2006, 04:42 PM	#58
hubel458 Member Join Date: March 1, 2003 Location: Brinton,Mich. Posts: 525	Mustanger--It would do if you keep pressures down, but I don't know what powder.Maybe use charcoal.It would have to be much slower than Hogdons H50 BMG, which is the slowest I have,And you couldn't go below 90% case volume with powder fill trying to get lower velocities, as you risk detonation, a problem with part loads of slow powders.Sguib loads using AA 5744 might do but I am not brave enough to try, on that big of bottlenecked case.Ed. __________________ Ed Hubel.

January 26, 2006, 02:29 PM	#55
bowfin Member Join Date: January 26, 2006 Location: Nebraska Posts: 553	When are you going to start on +P loads?

January 26, 2006, 04:52 PM	#59
mustanger98 Member Join Date: June 23, 2004 Location: Union County, GA, CSA Posts: 2,986	hubel458, I see what you're saying. Another possible issue would be whether or not a .50BMG could even be fed into the chamber without removing the bolt, but that's a small isssue, and a non-issue, if the rest of the load is unsafe. Much as I like to handload, I may be crazy according to some people I know, but I ain't stupid. I think I'll let this one alone. Now, to fire it as a 12guage slug in that modified .50BMG case looks rather tame. __________________ "There's only two things middle of the road; the double yellow line and a dead possum." "If you're being mugged by a couple of clowns, don't hesitate; go for the juggler."

January 26, 2006, 06:14 PM	#60
hubel458 Member Join Date: March 1, 2003 Location: Brinton,Mich. Posts: 525	Mustanger98--Yep 50 cal isn't the end all anymore, but when you can take 12ga lead slugs and get same power,now that is special.And I know a few with the 700NE fever,that see our old Savage as a way to get there.Especially those guys doing their own work..Ed. __________________ Ed Hubel.

January 26, 2006, 06:36 PM	#61
bowfin Member Join Date: January 26, 2006 Location: Nebraska Posts: 553	I can't wait until Smith & Wesson comes out with it in revolver form!

January 26, 2006, 08:00 PM	#63
MDG1976 Member Join Date: July 8, 2005 Location: USA Posts: 522	But is it more powerful than the .45 ACP?

January 26, 2006, 08:46 PM	#64
Fire4Effect Member Join Date: January 21, 2006 Location: Havelock, NC Posts: 132	Nice work... I'll keep that in mind if I ever need some anti-aircraft rounds... __________________ " I love the smell of Napalm in the morning. It smells like...Victory! "

January 26, 2006, 08:47 PM	#65
hubel458 Member Join Date: March 1, 2003 Location: Brinton,Mich. Posts: 525	nfl1990--I've got to get some big shot cups and buckshot, next week hopefully, and see how it works.Ed. __________________ Ed Hubel.

January 26, 2006, 08:51 PM	#66
P95Carry Moderator Emeritus Join Date: January 3, 2003 Location: South PA, and a bit West of center! Posts: 16,341	Thx for load feedback Ed - hmmmm - 22 loads to the # - this thing is a real powder burner! . Outstanding. __________________ Chris - P95. Guns don't kill people - people kill people. NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member. Second Amendment Portal - RKBA-2A.com ______________________________

January 26, 2006, 11:02 PM	#70
The_Antibubba Member Join Date: February 8, 2004 Location: Sac, The PRK Posts: 2,665	Whatever you do, don't add a pistol grip or a threaded muzzle-I want this to be CALIFORNIA LEGAL!!!!! I think we can end the debate over "Best one shot stopper". Can anyone say, "DNA remains testing"? __________________ The Antibubba ********************* If you are a Jew who supports gun control, you've either forgotten the lessons of the Holocaust, or you never learned them in the first place.

January 27, 2006, 12:31 AM	#72
hubel458 Member Join Date: March 1, 2003 Location: Brinton,Mich. Posts: 525	Mrmevel--Lathe to thread barrel, shape barrel, mill to open the loading port for more length and level bottom of reciever to fit a steel recoil block that I put in the stock, adding extra lug on barrel for recoil or use a barrel band for recoil - tools for inleting stock(there is no stock you can buy to fit,and light plastic one it comes with won't work), grinders,etc.Ed. __________________ Ed Hubel.

January 27, 2006, 07:23 PM	#73
hubel458 Member Join Date: March 1, 2003 Location: Brinton,Mich. Posts: 525	Recovered one of the Dixie 730 gr slugs stopped by 4 ft of hardwood in a bundle.It was turned into a lump but still had 81% of original weight..Great way to transfer all the energy into the target.Ed. __________________ Ed Hubel.

January 28, 2006, 04:09 AM	#74
Spiggy Member Join Date: October 10, 2005 Location: The Sunny PR of Kalifornistanichevolakia, Right behind the Orange Curtain Posts: 651	Ok, you know what, I'm sure everyone here agrees when I say... WE WANT A MOVIE CLIP!!! __________________ 442nd RCT/100th Battalion Reenacted One Puka-Puka!