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Old May 16, 2006, 09:23 PM   #176
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p95-And if Rob shot it in his gun, that stands BMG
pressures, it would max out at 3000 plus fps.Ed.
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Old May 16, 2006, 09:29 PM   #177
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Phew 3000+ - hey, leaving aside any legalities - that sucker with a hardened insert would be wicked against armor

In fact daresay that, per the 2300 speed, would defeat some substantial steel plate! Awesome
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Old May 17, 2006, 09:48 AM   #178
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Phew 3000+ - hey, leaving aside any legalities - that sucker with a hardened insert would be wicked against armor
As long as no one makes a production pistol in this caliber, legalities shouldn't be an issue at all.
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Old May 17, 2006, 12:43 PM   #179
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Legalities are no problem for long guns as long as it fires
all 12ga cases same or shorter than its chamber.And hard inserts in bullets, solid brass bullets, steel jacketed bullets are
no problem, as they are used for target,etc use now.Now
many states don't allow hard bullets for deer hunting as they
want bullets to stop if possible in the animal.Ed.
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Old May 17, 2006, 02:52 PM   #180
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I was wondering if it would be possible to manufacture a conversion barrel for this which would allow function on a standard 10 gauge single shot frame.

Before everyone jumps on me for even sugesting it, (I know the pressures would blow up a standard action)

if the conversion barrel had a breach block with a locking head attached and integral firing pin

and only used the single barrel receiver as a hammer/trigger assembly, NOT to resist pressure.

it might be a way to avoid the legality of manufacturing a receiver in this caliber, while still allowing it to be more widely available.

It would definitly breathe some new life into the old single shots.
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Old May 17, 2006, 07:41 PM   #181
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AJAX22-That idea may work, also Rob got 750 gr
up to 1800 in an Encore. He cut our case
back to 3 inches. I looked at NEF 10ga heavy
barrel and if an alloy barrel was used it would
do more. My gun is only running 30,000 psi.Lighter
break actions,the 730gr at 2500 would be all the recoil
you could handle.My gun is 25 lb bolt action.
Now there is no legal restrictions on building recievers
for shotguns for yourself, but if your going to make for sale
then you have to have manufacturers license.
If you make any actions for sale, need manufacture license.
In fact no prohibition in building for anything over
50cal for yourself as long as you pay tax and register it.
That is why we got sporting exemption for 550 Mag, 700HE,
and NE cases, etc, so that registering & tax is excused.
This is all per Title 18 GCA.Ed
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Old May 23, 2006, 11:52 PM   #182
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We shot a 6 gallon bucket of water, that was sealed.
Like a shower. Will get pic of one ungluing in
few days.Ed.
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Old May 27, 2006, 10:00 PM   #183
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Shot a 610 grain hollowpoint Dixie hard
slug into 6 gallon sealed pail of water.
Going 2800 fps, and real big hollowpoint.
First pic is pail with crimped on top.
Pail full and has filler spout capped.
Second pic,impact with water atomising,
and pail blowing apart.In the next small
fraction of a second is third after impact
with shelf cleared, the hyrostatic pressure
down, has bent top of steel frame shelf.
Same blast put jug pieces all over.
Got to get a 15 gallon one. Behind
you see my wood bundle backstop...Ed





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Old May 27, 2006, 11:11 PM   #184
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Now that is spectacular!



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Old May 28, 2006, 12:08 AM   #185
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Old May 29, 2006, 12:06 AM   #186
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Old May 31, 2006, 02:47 AM   #187
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Mike-Here is long view of exploding pail.Ed

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Old May 31, 2006, 11:31 AM   #188
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Absolute lunacy.
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Old June 4, 2006, 11:16 PM   #189
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It is a virus, called loonyshootitis syndrome.....Ed
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Old June 25, 2006, 08:54 PM   #190
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I picked up a 12ga NEF Ultra Slug gun.24 in shorty barrel.
Added weight and thumbhole stock.
Gun weighted to 15 lbs so
far. I got 600gr hard slug to
1650-1700 so far, and shoots easy.
Got 1 1/2 inch thick pad.Working up different
loads.Should get over 2000.
Cases eject easy,no resizing needed
on bottom half of case,action opens easy,
no evidence of binding.Started case 3.2 inch,
settled on case length of 3.15-- Chamber being
full size max 12ga size expands top half of case
more than my minimum chamber in Savage does,
so little more effort needed to size.Our case, though many times stronger than regular
12ga cases is thinner at mouth, so that is
why I used tight chamber on Savage.Still
can't get used to mickey mouse short barrel.
Anyone know of a genius who could
make long alloy barrel with pivot mounted?
Cases can be 3 inches on up to
our length, and work.Ed.

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Old July 1, 2006, 01:40 AM   #191
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We got 600 gr slug to 2000 fps in NEF.Used ball
powder load. Case length of maximum 3.07 works.
Anyone using our style case should also put in adapter
for shotgun primer. Save a lot of work
beefing up hammer speed and strength.Ed
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Old July 5, 2006, 08:47 AM   #192
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The Savage perking right along. Used a little faster
ball powder and got 600gr hard slug out to 3000 fps.
That is 12,000 ft lbs. Moving right along.
Got more hard slugs coming and I think 14,000 ft lbs
possible.Ed.
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Old July 5, 2006, 03:25 PM   #193
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I dont' recall if i posted before, but i've got to say what you're doing is totally awesome and also totally crazy. i love it! I'm sending an email regarding your offer of a shell sample.

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Old July 5, 2006, 05:06 PM   #194
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Amazing!!

I followed a link to this thread from SurvivalBlog.com and read the whole string and WOW! This is some great stuff!

I am also going to send along a request for a shell sample and Thank You for doing this - wildcatting a 12 guage is a great idea!

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Old July 5, 2006, 05:21 PM   #195
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I posted the link.

www.survivalblog.com

Good debate and info on SHTF issues.
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Old July 6, 2006, 11:24 AM   #198
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Ed - check your PMs.
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Old July 7, 2006, 10:25 PM   #199
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For you fellows down under, Scott Wardle is having a bunch of rims and cases with 12ga rims made and will make them
for others in need.Ed.
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Old July 10, 2006, 12:58 AM   #200
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In a little while I will have a bunch
12ga rim pieces to supply those who can take them and
thread the case themselves.Most lathe guys can
turn off rims and put on 5/8 by 24 thread.The rim
pieces are precision done on cnc equipment, so if case
has threads they go right on and loctite makes them
permanent.Ed
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