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Old October 22, 2014, 12:11 AM   #1
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Building a Squib derringer load?

For fun a buddy made me some 96gr bullet, .38 Special loads for my derringer.
He can't remember the powder charge now.
I'm just wondering if a low recoil light load can be worked up for my Cobra derringer?
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Old October 22, 2014, 12:26 AM   #2
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A squib load results in a bullet stuck in the barrel, is that what you're looking for or are you searching for a light load that functions in your derringer? If you want a squib load, just prime the case, don't use powder and seat the bullet.
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Old October 22, 2014, 12:28 AM   #3
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I have used as little as 2 grains of 231 in 38s and done well. I'm not sure you could create a true squib in a derringer though. Even a primer with no powder would probably push the bullet through most of those belly guns. I would be tempted to try just that to see just how weak it has to be to stick a bullet inside the barrel but free of the case.
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Old October 22, 2014, 02:04 AM   #4
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No one can know how much you can reduce the powder charge with the home made bullet you have and still have the bullet leave the barrel. Even when you get the load down that light it will not be useful for anything but making noise.

I actually played around with a 90gr LRN bullet in the .38 Special a few years back. I used Clays and W231 at the time and Clays worked best. I won't give you the charge weights because that was a very light load and might stick the bullet in the barrel of a different gun than I shot. If you look at the Hodgdon site they will give you the starting load they deem safe and you can work down from there. (be very careful not to create a real squib load)

If it were today I would probably make the very light 90gr LRN load with Trail Boss.
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Old October 22, 2014, 04:39 PM   #5
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I just want some very light recoiling loads so everybody can shoot the ferringer and have some fun with it without having to hang on to it tightly because of recoil. Just some little "Poppers" kinda like the CB Caps I shoot in my .22 cal Davis Derringer.
My buddies handloads were perfet!
They went bang and had enough suds to topple soda cans at 15 ft. Ripped a water filled can open.
He can't remember the light powder charge he used.
I'll keep looking.
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Old October 22, 2014, 05:51 PM   #6
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1.0 to 2.0 Grs of a very fast powder should push that light, short bearing surface, bullet out of a short derringer barrel.

Be careful. I have never tried this.
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Old October 22, 2014, 06:16 PM   #7
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ive loaded 95 grain lead from 2-3 grains win231/hp38. I havent stuck a bullet yet with a 2 grain load but ive had to check the bore to be sure it was clear several times. I feel 3 grains is safe to plink away with and they sure are a hoot to shoot out of a 6" barrel. Its like shooting 22lr- except its cheaper.
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Old October 22, 2014, 07:05 PM   #8
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To work up reduced loads, you start at Min and work down. Just like you would for working up.
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Old October 22, 2014, 07:39 PM   #9
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To some folk squib refers to a weak FUNCTIONAL load. Or a blank even.
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Old October 22, 2014, 09:12 PM   #10
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ive loaded 95 grain lead from 2-3 grains win231/hp38. I havent stuck a bullet yet with a 2 grain load but ive had to check the bore to be sure it was clear several times. I feel 3 grains is safe to plink away with and they sure are a hoot to shoot out of a 6" barrel. Its like shooting 22lr- except its cheaper.
Yep, I wouldn't start as low as 1.0 Grs for a 6" barrel, even with that bullet.

But I believe it would be OK to start there with a derringer.
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Old October 22, 2014, 09:29 PM   #11
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I just want some very light recoiling loads so everybody can shoot the derringer and have some fun with it without having to hang on to it tightly because of recoil. Just some little "Poppers" kinda like the CB Caps I shoot in my .22 cal Davis Derringer.
Then what you want to do is get some "hot glue gun sticks" and chop them into 3/8 to 1/2 inch long sections. Load those in 38 Spcl shells using ONLY a primer. They are great fun at up to 25 feet. There's zero recoil, and you can use the rubber bullets about 25 times each.
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Old October 22, 2014, 09:44 PM   #12
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Reminds me of a friend of mine running a derringer side match at a SASS match. Two shots at a 3/8" plywood target just a few feet away. At the buzzer, bam, bam, then goes to show the timer to the score keeper and he is on the ground rolling around.

The bullet left the barrel hit the plywood and bounced back and hit him where guys don't like to be hit.
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Old October 22, 2014, 11:21 PM   #13
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Then what you want to do is get some "hot glue gun sticks" and chop them into 3/8 to 1/2 inch long sections. Load those in 38 Spcl shells using ONLY a primer. They are great fun at up to 25 feet. There's zero recoil, and you can use the rubber bullets about 25 times each.
Wax bullets powered by primer only, too. Remember, that such loads are dangerous. It is hard to believe how much damage they can do and how accurate they can be.

Speer makes plastic .38 Special cases and bullets for fun plinking, too.

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