Somebody please tell me we're not totally screwed in MD

[nico]

MD-TopRaces-Glance-Governor
Candidate Votes Percent
Martin O'Malley (Dem) 517,600 51%
Robert Ehrlich (GOP) 495,330 48%



So should I go buy an AR in anticipation of the imminent AWB, or would I be waisting my money since it'll probably be a CA-type "hand 'em in" deal?

I have to say though, if the absentees end up pushing the election to Ehrlich, it'd be wondrous to see MOM have to concede after his speech a few minutes ago

edit: Helmetcase, was that you on WBAL at 12:40?

[aspen1964]

remember that change can-will occur the next election...take heart in that...

[CrazyIrishman]

Nico,

I wouldn't wait to buy an AR! I need to buy an AR lower myself but I've been procrastinating on it. Seeing as how the GOP has fared tonight has caused me to rethink my purchase! Although I would love to see the absentee ballotts keep Gov. Erhlich in office I just don't see it happening! The distance between votes may be too great to make up.

While Gov. Erhlich didn't do too much for gun owners in Maryland.......YOU can sure bet the farm that "anti-2nd amendment nazi " O'Malley will jam any legislation down out throats in order to subjugate gun owners in this state!

This might be 2006 but IMHO its the dawn of another "DARK AGES" in this state! It wouldn't surprise me if O'Malley gets laws passed that rival or exceed Kommiefornia!

In addition, from what I saw on the last tally we may have lost some pro-gun delegates too!

When I go to bed in a little bit I hope that when I wake up this will have been all a dream!(yeah don't I wish!)

[Spot77]

So should I go buy an AR in anticipation of the imminent AWB, or would I be waisting my money since it'll probably be a CA-type "hand 'em in" deal?

No, if you have so much disposable income, you should've sent it to a campaign that might've made a difference in this election.


I donated over $400 and 100 hours of time. Everybody else buys guns.

[Tyril]

Oh, we are.

In two, check that, one day, I turn 21.

How many "regulated weapons" can I sneak in before the edicts come down?


RRA NM is first on the list =)



-mike

[MikeK]

Buy the AR. The specifics aren't "registered". A bad night for all of us. If OM really wins then we can probably kiss most of our "gun rights" good-bye.

Another bourbon and bed.

At least the crown from the dentist tomorrow won't seem as painful as the losses tonight.

[zoom6zoom]

If OM really wins then we can probably kiss most of our "gun rights" good-bye.

But they'll probably approve slot machines in the state the day after the inauguration....

[scout26]

Somebody please tell me we're not totally screwed in MD

You're not totally screwed in MD. If you were in Illinois, THEN you'd be totally screwed.

[Rabid Rabbit]

Wait for the 192,000 absentee ballots to be counted before saying we're screwed. Erlich is behind by 98,000 votes so the absentee ballots may carry Erlich.

[John Hicks]

I would say come down to Virginia, but it looks like we're well on our way down the same path (not near term, but still, the libs are gaining ground in Northern VA -- enough to start carrying every election unless we out breed them).

Sad day for all. I too am escalating any purchases I had planned, not becasue of a VA ban, but worries about a national ban.

[Helmetcase]

Yeah, that was me! Glad somebody was listening.

I don't gather that they wanted to address my point--sure at the national level you see people favoring moderate candidates, but here in MD it seems like we always say we want candidates who'll work with the other side, be moderate...and then we vote them out of office the first chance we get.

It's cognative dissonance at it's finest. Ehrlich and Giannetti are the victims this time at the polls, but we all suffer for it.

I lost count of how many hours and dollars I donated...I'd like to buy that M4 I've been hankering for...but it's not in the budget. I've got to sell some stuff first...

[coyote_jr]

How about instead of "kissing your gun rights goodbye", try voting from a rooftop, you know, shake things up a bit. Why would you ever stand for tyranny?

Not that I advocate such things, just wondering...

[K-Romulus]

It doesn't look great, but it is not over . . . wait until the final tally of the Gov absentee ballots, then look at the legislative committee makeups in the spring, esp. in the MD Senate.

The important Senate cmte is Judicial Proceedings (JPR), the one that hears all the gun-related bills.

Election results for JPR:

Pro-gun-owners: down two
Giannetti is out, Jimeno retired, so the Senate JPR cmte will need these TWO slots filled. Stone is coming back. These three guys made up almost half of the eight Democrats on the JPR committee, and these three were all pro-gun-owner.

Sens. Jacobs (R), Haines (R), and Mooney (R) are coming back. All pro-gun-owner. So with Stone (D), we have four pro-gun-owners coming back, and then we need two more to have a majority.

Anti-gun-owners: down two
Leo Green, the cmte co-chair, and Ralph Hughes, both (D) rabid anti-gun-owners, have retired. Lose two for the anti-gun-owners.

So, we need to see who will fill these FOUR open (D) slots on JPR before employing the siege engine and declaring that "it's ON!" .

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Edited to add

Ehrlich concedes , so the Senate it is . . .

[nico]

I don't gather that they wanted to address my point--sure at the national level you see people favoring moderate candidates, but here in MD it seems like we always say we want candidates who'll work with the other side, be moderate...and then we vote them out of office the first chance we get.

I completely agree. I'm so sick of hearing people in this state talk about how they want "change" in relation to this election. That's a complete load of crap! They don't want change; they want a return to the status quo as it was before Ehrlich got elected.
I have my fingers crossed (this was mentioned on WBAL a few days ago) that with the base realignment, all the new military people coming to the state in the next few years will help to shift the political climate.

btw, spot, I don't have enough disposable income to buy an AR. If I actually bought anything, it'd be the cheapest stripped lower I could find, just as an FU to the dems in this state. I'm a student who just moved out of my parents house (against their will), so I'm pretty much living on loans for the next 3 years.

[Spot77]

btw, spot, I don't have enough disposable income to buy an AR.

Eh....sorry if I was a little abrasive there. I was up at 4am yesterday, campaigned all day then took down election signs all night AFTER suffering through the democratic celebrations at a restaurant in Annapolis (long story....won't bore you with that, but I can tell you that being in the belly of the beast makes one want to )

[Robert Hairless]

Nah, don't worry about anything. Everything will be okay. Anything you buy today you'll be able to keep later. Spend as much money as you can afford to spend in preparation for the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban so that when 1994 comes around it won't affect you. And, remember, it's all the fault of the Republican Party because they didn't let people vote for their candidates because Mark Foley behaved badly. Don't worry. Be happy.

[Ohen Cepel]

Nico- the base realignment probably won't help MD. Most of the government civilians that will come with it will be Dems and the actual military usually vote back in their home states.

Not a real motivation for the military to change residence to MD due to the higher taxes that they would then have to pay. Several states don't tax their military members or at only when they are assigned in the state.

I feel sorry for those of us that are stuck in MD. I'm counting my days till I'm free again. I know Norton and Spot have fought hard and I respect that. However, I'm not one for staying in a place where I'm not wanted.

I just don't get MD.

[ZeroCool]

The dems basically owning the Repubs in the polls, and I didnt get the job that I wanted...

I just dont know about this state anymore... we fought the good fight, we voted, and we lost through no fault of our own. It seems that we just can't compete with the dems in this state.

Someone, please remind me, why should we not just move away if we are able to?

[00-Guy]

We're not totally screwed in MD.

OK. That's out of the way. Enough with the doom and gloom. NOTHING has really changed in Maryland. The other party is still in charge. The Pro-Rights groups such as MSI, AGC (yes them too.), and individual efforts have laid the ground work for an unfortunate need of defending our rights against further erosion. We have done good the past few years. We just need to build on it.

MSI will go to Annapolis this year as a known not some Johnny-come-lately fact-based lobbying group. They are not the Brady Bunches cariatured trogledytes in camo. They have shown themselves to be effective lobbyists. AGC has had two well-attended concel carry forums. The MSP are not working against us on somethings.

Now the need is for the Pro-rights folks to work together to effectively stop any rollback of our rights. (I do not mean here forgiving and forgetting and working with a certain person. That still has me steamed with one member of my club who believes everything written on the "Net. It is on the net. It must be true. Even after seeing Mr. Lee's pages.)

Yes some of our candidates losts. But others still won. We must redouble our efforts with them and reach out to other fence sitters. Some dems realize that being anti-gun is not a plank upon which to build your platform.

paul....

Side Note to Ohen:
Your statement regarding Federal employees might ring true for non-DOD employees. Most of my friends who work for the DOD as civilians are for the most part 1) Conservative or Libertarian in leaning, 2)Pro-defense 3)Pro Second Amendment. The bad news is that they are relocating to areas already served by Republican or conservative Dems delegates or US House members. They maybe able to overcome some of the Baltimore City/PG/Monkey county effect. But not enough to matter.

[Harry Tuttle]

lets see

Quinter is gone
and Garagiola didn't carry any AWB water last year

IMHO, the juice is not there for an AWB

[EasternShore]

You know I respect all of you and your brother's work. As I do all those that go to Annapolis. But back in July you started this thread:

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=211581

To which my response was:

CCW, as much as I would like to see it pass, will not happen under O'Mally and if you think Erlich is going to get re-elected in this state your nuts. That is not an accusation that anyone on this board is insane, it is a reflection of this state. Castle is not very likely under the boy wonder either, in fact no improvement in firearms right is likely. If I had to take my choice, it is for no confiscation. I think REGISTRATION IS LIKELY under O'Mally thus my vote for no confiscation.

I still think my reply is dead on but I suspect it will be happening ever so slowly. Heed these two words:

Mission Creep

[Kharn]

Ohen:

Most of the government civilians that will come with it will be Dems and the actual military usually vote back in their home states.

I wouldnt be so sure about that, almost all of the DOD employees I know are either conservative or at least lean that way. Their jobs depend on Congress giving out lots of money for new projects.

Kharn

[CrazyIrishman]

First off, I want to thank all of those who have worked on our behalf regarding second amendment issues in Annapolis and throughout the state!

That being said, I heard on Ch 11 at 6pm tonight that a poll was taken to find out why they voted against Gov. Ehrlich. The reason given by about 70% was the war in Iraq. The same reason was given for Lt. Gov Steele. It was also brought up that with the Gov being a moderate it turned off the conservatives.

I'm hoping as I'm sure the rest of us are, that something good will come out of this. At the very least we should regroup and assess the situation.

[vmfrantz]

Stay away from PA. It real blue up here. But we could all move to Texas and vote to bread away!

[tikka_fan]

Hedge your bets. Buy a stripped ar-15 lower. Only a federal ban would prevent it from being grandfathered in.

They can be had for just under $100. Consider it an investment.