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Old September 15, 2014, 11:15 PM   #1
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Rotating Ammo

Its the time of year where I rotate my ammo inventory like stores do their inventory...FIFO (first in and first out). In doing so I found several boxes of 30-30 winchester for $6.99.

Was just wondering what the going price is for 30-30 and 35 rem which mine were marked for $9.99.

I guess I'm taking my lever actions out for deer season this year and living my bolt rifle home.
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Old Yesterday, 12:04 AM   #2
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I do not own a 30-30 but just to guess, I think 35 would be 20.00 a box.
didn't look it up. may I ask why you rotate ammo?
nothing meant just asking.
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Old Yesterday, 03:15 AM   #3
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I know quite a few folks that rotate their ammunition. I reload, but I do rotate my carry cartridges every couple of weeks, but not because I worry about it getting old, therefore not functioning. I do it because the cartridges will start to tarnish, and nothing bothers me more than nasty looking ammunition. I then toss my rotated stock into the tumbler next time I tumble some brass, then back into my inventory they go, to be carried again, or shot at some future point in time.

As to why many folks rotate their ammunition, it is believed and purported, that ammunition will expire, thus fail to fire. On numerous occasions I've shot reloads of mine that are often 5-10 yrs. old, never had a fail to fire, ever. Several weeks ago I sighted in one of my rifles for hunting season this year, a .270 win., and these loads were dated July 1997. They functioned flawlessly and performed exactly the same as my fresh loads using the same data and components. the only thing I've ever done is tumble them to spiff them up a bit, other wise I trust them completely to perform as intended.

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Old Yesterday, 03:20 AM   #4
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yes this is what I am thinking. the stuff will not go bad, unless it had a problem when manufactured.
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Old Yesterday, 08:59 AM   #5
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The "stuff" will go bad. It needs to be shot FIFO to keep the affect of powder slowly oxidizing, or the primers deteriorating. It's entirely the reason you see the military selling off old ammo. It degraded and became a known problem.

A lot of that happens even tho the rounds are packed in sealed containers and those are overpacked in others, stored in underground bunkers to keep them cooler, with ventilation to prevent moisture buildup.

Rotating daily carry ammo is done because if you pull the mag and eject the round, you will then later chamber either that or another repeatedly. That can cause some setback which can spike chamber pressures beyond acceptable limits. It's one reason the military crimps all small arms ammo, and the Forward Assist on the M16 didn't help any in that regard. Military also seals the primer and case necks as needed. Civilian ammo isn't.

The 20 year old lots of ammo being sold off from some country's inventory have proven ignition issues when rated in thousands of rounds, and endanger a soldier with their defect rate significantly enough to warrant selling it off rather than risking his life in combat. At least in many western nations.

Not the kind of stuff I would want to have resting in my cellar aging even further waiting for me to finally get around to shooting it - especially in a critical moment of need.

I does come to mind why the civilian market seems to think they need extremely overengineered charging handles on their AR15's, tho. You shoot junk and you will get a lot more stoppages. It appears to me to be a sad testimony to that individuals procurement system. It's certainly not up to military standards, which could be exceeded by reloading and taking steps to store your own ammo in a number of better ways. The average American home with HVAC does a better job of storage than a military bunker - and has active security, too.
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Old Yesterday, 09:56 AM   #6
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November 2, 2014 Set the clocks back an hour from EDT to EST in my little corner of the world.

November 2, 2014 Rotate CCW ammunition.

November 2, 2014 Change batteries in the house smoke detectors.

There, done for another year.

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Was just wondering what the going price is for 30-30 and 35 rem which mine were marked for $9.99.
I have a few boxes of Remington UMC 7.62 x 39 sitting here that I was selling for $5.50 during the mid '90s. That same ammunition today sells through Midway for $20 a box of 20. Granted about 20 years ago. I believe 30-30 was about the same price. Then too, a loaf of bread was much less expensive 20 years ago also.

Last week I took some 308 Winchester I loaded 03-07-99 and it not only shot fine but comparing the velocity over the chronograph showed no real change.

The main problem with imported military surplus is not knowing how the stuff was stored or handled over the past 20 (or more) years. I think it is member SlamFire who has posted countless times about powder deterioration, especially with regard to storage temperatures.

Anyway, when it comes to critical defense ammunition I figure it can't hurt to rotate it and shoot up the old stuff.

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Old Yesterday, 11:47 AM   #7
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Guess it's time to think about at least testing the old ammo that's sitting around here.
Some of it must be 30 years old.
There's more from 10 to 20 years old.
To be hanging around here for so long, it's obviously not what normally gets used.
But instead of just filling up the local range with lead, and depleting expensive to replace supplies, maybe just trying a few samples from each batch will do.
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Old Yesterday, 01:39 PM   #8
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I am a proponent of writing purchase dates on the boxes. I try to shoot the non-corrosive stuff before it gets to be about 20 years old.
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Old Yesterday, 02:05 PM   #9
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Tirod, how does powder inside a loaded cartridge which Is pretty airtight and sealed in an airtight container oxidize?
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Old Yesterday, 03:27 PM   #10
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I was buying bulk years ago 1200 rounds 75 dollars. 250 dollars today, I cannot afford to replace what I shoot. my ammo is sealed and kept as dry and humidity free as I can do.
some have more to mess with, I am not one of those.
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Old Yesterday, 03:49 PM   #11
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I had a magazine of factory Gold Dots that was in my car in SC for probably 5 years pretty much non-stop, through all the heat and humidity cycles we get there.

Finally figured I would "rotate it". It all fired like a dream.

I've shot several thousand rounds of surplus rifle ammo in various conditions, much of it as old as I am, never a problem.

You can rotate ammo if it makes you feel better, but unless you are storing your carry gun under water, the only benefit is going to be psychological.

I wouldn't make a habit of chambering the same round a gazillion times, but again, a little setback is not going to blow up your gun. If it did, a hundred cops across the US would be blowing up guns, every day of the week. Your gun can take a lot more pressure variation than you think, and perform with flying colors.
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Old Yesterday, 11:05 PM   #12
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The only really old ammo I have is a couple hundred rounds of 38Spl (back in the early 1970's)I loaded using a Lee Whack-A-mole system. All the rest of my reloaded ammo is less than 20 years old and using components bought in the last 20 years. I also have a ton of new components bought in 2008 and you know why. My "Social Ammo" is kept close to the heart and that is also another couple thousand rounds. I have close to 3000 rounds of Range Ammo to shoot for the next year or so until I get my "Retirement Villa" built. I have rotated these rounds into my Colt Detective Special revolver and all still shoot to point of aim.
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Old Yesterday, 11:08 PM   #13
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I am so jealous.
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Old Yesterday, 11:16 PM   #14
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30-30 is now about 18 bucks for a box of standard Remington or Federal. I can't say with certainty that I have ever seen 35 rem on the shelf. It's getting to be more of a collector caliber and prices are going up in places that it is sold (online). Another good one headed out for no particular reason.
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