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Old April 25, 2015, 06:45 PM   #1
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Armed Realtors

On this evening's ABC National News, they did a story on the danger of murder and assaults that real estate agents are facing from false clients. They featured one lady who had been a victim of an attempted robbery, and rather matter-of-factly displayed the Beretta Tomcat that she now carries.

What is remarkable is that the commentator identified it correctly by name and model and stated that she (the realtor) now carries it for protection, without the obligatory talking head from CSGV, Bloomberg Moms, et. al. spouting off about how she is in more danger with the gun, should rely on her cell phone to call police, etc.

Is this an editorial lapse, or are we to believe that the msm is now acknowledging that guns do offer protection?
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Old April 25, 2015, 06:56 PM   #2
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Yes I noticed that also. Thought it was interesting. Maybe a new line of work in the future, real estate security. The woman is probably in more danger carrying "off body" like that, than not having a weapon. Perhaps a second person like a "ride along" or just leaving valuables at the office would be a better idea.
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Old April 25, 2015, 07:09 PM   #3
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Have a cousin who's been in the realty business for a long time.
Four or five years ago I got a call from him wanting to discuss concealed carry, obviously the realty group understood those dangers years ago.

The lamestrem media will beat and beat the left drum, at least until they realize there's an overwhelming majority against them.

Then some try to act as if they were on the "winning" side all along.
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Old April 25, 2015, 07:18 PM   #4
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My friends had a real nice lady realtor they knew get kidnapped and murdered.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/arkansas-re...ry?id=25860583

If I was a Realtor I would carry too.
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Old April 25, 2015, 09:59 PM   #5
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Back in the late 70's while at Ft. Hood, TX, a young Sergeant I was stationed with in Germany was assigned to another company in the battalion I was in. Good looking, clean cut young man, very pretty wife and two cute kids, was arrested for multiple rapes in towns in the vicinity of Ft. Hood. He would respond to ads by real estate companies for properties they had listed. He would meet the real estate agent at one of the homes and then rape her.
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Old April 25, 2015, 10:03 PM   #6
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OP, that does sound interesting, and it's definitely a welcome development. However, what stood out to me was "Beretta Tomcat", a .32 ACP. A gun is a gun, and if it's all you have then it's nothing to be ashamed of - but as a realtor, don't you think she could afford to upgrade to a better caliber?
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Old April 25, 2015, 10:13 PM   #7
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If she couldn't handle a bigger caliber, or couldn't work the mechanisms on a caliber she could handle, a .32 is better than a cell phone.
It's not always the equipment, it's the person that needs it having the equipment at all.
Me, I'd want to be armed in any job that had me meeting people alone on their terms.
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Old April 25, 2015, 11:14 PM   #8
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I didn't see the program, but it's a damnd good idea for them to be armed.
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Old April 25, 2015, 11:16 PM   #9
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My Sifu and I did a local course for 2 groups of realtors. 2 TV news groups covered it. One of the female realtors was exquisitely persuasive about why she took the course and carried a gun.
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Old April 25, 2015, 11:36 PM   #10
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http://5newsonline.com/2015/04/24/po...r-at-gunpoint/

The glut of repossessed houses created by the bank bust has also posed a problem to real estate professionals.
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Old Yesterday, 12:19 AM   #11
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My best friend has been a realtor for many years, and always carries. He reloads, hunts, shoots, rides motorcycles, works out at Gold's Gym......and his second job is Massage Therapist. He gets paid for working with some very good looking women, and is also the primary MT for the FSU football team. Both his jobs pay well. And he's a hard charger. I'd hate to be the goblin that tried to attack him......
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Old Yesterday, 12:54 AM   #12
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If you meet strangers, in unfamilar settings, alone, for a living every day then I'd think it's almost foolish not to carry- pepper spray and a locking folder at a bare minimum; or a .32acp. I'd want a gun personally.
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Old Yesterday, 01:12 AM   #13
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Hypnogator remarked,

Is this an editorial lapse, or are we to believe that the msm is now acknowledging that guns do offer protection?

I believe I have been noticing a small drift in that direction.
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Old Yesterday, 01:20 AM   #14
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Too bad that now in Washington State due to I594 and very soon here in Oregon because of SB941 you won't be able to lend your non-related Realtor friend a pistol to protect herself.
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Old Yesterday, 01:50 AM   #15
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Renters, property managers....

I've seen a few "real estate brokers get attacked" media stories every few months in my area.
Many realtors or firms have the agents or staff carry OC spray or better yet, tasers .

I worked for about 18mo in a rental property of a urban area(approx 800,000-900,000 residents) in the early 2000s. The owners/CEO policy was for new applicants or tenants to provide a valid photo ID before any inspections or property checks. The staff(including me) never showed units at night & we had radios(walkies). About 1 out of 20 people we have stop by were "questionable" or unstable. I never felt unsafe but a few applicants would slip up and lie or they made statements that would D/Q them.
We had people bring in fake IDs, fake records, have serious/violent felony convictions, etc.
One young woman told me a tragic story about how her ex-boyfriend was stalking her and threatened her with a 12ga shotgun!
I quickly explained this to the property mgr and that applicant was denied.

If I did RE, I'd carry a gun or 2. I would encourage my staff or employees to be alert and not to be too open with personal details or release data without being able to account for the tenant or lease holder.
Bounty hunters, PIs, repo agents, etc think they can wave any badge around or wear a dark suit then get information. That doesn't always work with everyone.
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Old Yesterday, 06:37 AM   #16
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McKinney TX, 2006 or so, a local home builder's sales rep was killed in a model home. All of the area builder's people were on edge after that.
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And jewelers have long gone armed. A good friend of mine is a jeweler and he has always carried.
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Old Yesterday, 10:34 AM   #18
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The realtor community has become very sensitive to rape/murder cases in the past couple of years. There's plenty of discussion about it on their community forums and in their industry and some realty companies are putting together programs specifically are intended to keep realtors from becoming victims of these attacks.

Sadly, only a few are going the extra step to offer training for their colleagues. The two agencies we helped had over 20 people learn to shoot, pick out handguns and apply for their carry permits.
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Old Yesterday, 10:47 AM   #19
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In today's world it is IMO Foolish not to be armed if your in realtor work.
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Old Yesterday, 11:58 AM   #20
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In today's world it is IMO Foolish not to be armed if your in realtor work.
What's different about today's world? I might be naive, but I'd imagine that realtors have always faced risks in their business. There seems to be an implication in your statement that "today's world" is so much worse than the one before. I'm young, so maybe I just don't know what I'm talking about, but supposedly violent crime is at the lowest level since 1964, according to the FBI - or so I've heard.

Is it actually more risky being in public today, or is that just a perception?
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Old Yesterday, 12:00 PM   #21
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Yes. Although I have some qualms about routine carrying, when no threat is present, it seems that being a real estate agent is ample justification. Any occupation where you work alone, dealing with strangers in isolated circumstances, carries an implied threat.
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Old Yesterday, 12:55 PM   #22
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Dealing with the public ....

Crime rates are lower now than in the past but some positions are more dangerous than others.

I spoke to a pizza delivery guy that told me he was robbed 16 times over the years.

As noted, companies or business owners can prevent or reduce the risks but the employees need to be cautious too.
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Old Yesterday, 10:59 PM   #23
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I once heard an Asian immigrant Chinese food delivery guy testify in the Bronx that he didn't remember the defendant in an armed robbery case because he had been robbed so many times at gunpoint he didn't remember that particular guy.

People would call for a delivery, and rob him when he showed up in the building.
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Old Today, 11:01 AM   #24
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I lived in Jersey in the mid-80s. As we know it is very hard to get a carry permit there. Some of the real estate people I knew at the time carried without permits when they were going into "depressed" areas to either view or show houses. I guess it was better to be alive and in jail than dead.
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Old Today, 12:58 PM   #25
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These are people that are routinely making appointments to meet strangers at the stranger's convenience in a place the stranger has had ample opportunity to familiarize themselves with the surroundings. If even one out of ten thousand has criminal intent the odds are enough to be prudent to have some sort of worst case plan.

The story is told of three missionaries at heaven's gate talking of their demise that the hands of the heathens they were trying to convert. One told how he turned the other cheek and the heathen cut his head off. The second how he told of Christ's forgiveness to the thief on the cross as he was being thrown off a cliff. The third how he was telling of the joy of salvation just as the mob set on him with clubs. Then the first said - wait a minute. Where's Brother Raymond? Shouldn't he be here with us? To which the second replied, the last I saw him he was reloading.

The moral is, while God will protect you, He expects you to met Him halfway in the endeavor.
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