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Old March 26, 2015, 09:40 PM   #1
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Been hearing anti-gun sentiment on airwaves

Tonight I heard anti-gun sentiment expressed on the radio. This is the second time I've heard someone advocating for gun control on the radio - the second station as well. Both times it comes from someone claiming to be a gun owner.

Tonight it went something like this:

The DJ, a music DJ, said he was sitting at his desk at home, doing work, and had the window open. He heard secession of shots, at least 10. Nearby was a playground, a school for the blind, and a retirement home.

"I own a gun," the DJ says, "I think it's an intelligent decision most of the time, but gun violence in this city is getting out-of-control. Something has to change."

He was bothered that there were so many vulnerable populations nearby. His voice grew more impassioned.

"The laws that work for hicks in [other parts of the state], don't work here. [...] This is a dangerous city. I'm not trying to take your rifle or your shotgun out of your car, I think you should be able to own a gun. But something has to be done."

A few weeks ago I heard a host on a (non-political) radio talk show wavering on gun control. A deadly rolling gun battle across a highway rattled him. He owns a gun and has a CCW, he claims. He believes in the right to own a firearm, but he drives past the scene of the firefight regularly. He says he could have been driving along with his children when the shooting happened. We have the highest rate of gun crime in the first-world, far more than others, he claims. He insists that something must be done about gun violence.

This concerns me. Could this be sign of a larger trend?
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Old March 26, 2015, 09:48 PM   #2
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There are a considerable number of entertainment industry liberals who have no problem justifying their guns and denying yours.
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Old March 26, 2015, 09:51 PM   #3
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Yep...I almost commented on it last week.
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Old March 26, 2015, 10:46 PM   #4
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Since they have popularity, its ok for them to have firearms and hate the fact that you have one. Because you are the problem, not the effluent or popular. I call this the communist take on gun control.
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Old March 26, 2015, 10:56 PM   #5
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I hate these people who qualify themselves by saying "I'm a gun owner, but..."

Yeah, when the only gun they own is grandpaw's old .22 standing in the back of the closet with a half box of .22 Longs on the shelf.
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Old March 26, 2015, 11:05 PM   #6
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Strange, considering that since their peak in 1980, gun homicides have dropped more than 50%, as have gun related injuries, while during the same 35 years, the number of guns in American hands have doubled, More guns,less crime as Dr. Lott told us several years ago.,

We are now close to the lowest gun homicide figures ever. Of course, even most liberals that are aware of these astonishingly positive statistics , will never admit to the fact.

I found this interesting graph.
Gun Homicides 1950-2010.

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Deaths by homicide per 100,000 resident population in the U.S. from 1950 to 2010.

This statistic shows the death rate for homicide in the U.S. from 1950 to 2010. In 1950, there were 5.1 deaths by homicide per 100,000 resident population in the United States.
In 1980, it was 10.4. In 2010 it was 5.3. Show this to every gun grabbing liberal.
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Old March 26, 2015, 11:07 PM   #7
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Key word - "Airwave"
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Old March 26, 2015, 11:20 PM   #8
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Gun-control advocates want to keep guns "out of the wrong hands."

Guess what. There is nothing wrong with that goal as stated.

The problem is that, while they don't have "the wrong hands", you do.
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Old March 26, 2015, 11:52 PM   #9
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Strange, considering that since their peak in 1980, gun homicides have dropped more than 50%, as have gun related injuries, while during the same 35 years, the number of guns in American hands have doubled, More guns,less crime as Dr. Lott told us several years ago.,

We are now close to the lowest gun homicide figures ever. Of course, even most liberals that are aware of these astonishingly positive statistics , will never admit to the fact.
Exactly. This reminds me why I use Gun Facts in debates. Gun Facts is filled with facts you can use to refute dozens and dozens of anti-gun arguments with statistics and logic from reputable sources. It used to be a downloadable file, but now it seems to be just a website. It's an excellent resource, and it cites its sources.
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Old March 27, 2015, 01:21 AM   #10
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Gun-control advocates want to keep guns "out of the wrong hands."

Guess what. There is nothing wrong with that goal as stated.

The problem is that, while they don't have "the wrong hands", you do.
Correct.

"The wrong hands" are the hands that have actually demonstrated their wrongness through action.

If the hands are out there shooting people in robberies, murders, and the like, then they have been demonstrated to be "the wrong hands".

That's it in a nutshell. Trying to pre-emptively declare hands to be "the wrong hands" before such demonstrations starts the infringement process.
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Old March 27, 2015, 01:22 AM   #11
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I don't think anything will happen. Even former Prez. Bill Clinton and former Speaker Pelosi admitted their gun control agendas hurt the Democratic party.

I just want the Garand and Carbine re-import ban lifted. Please...please...please.
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Old March 27, 2015, 01:35 AM   #12
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Call the station and inform them you listen for music and not liberal anti-gun rhetoric.
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Old March 27, 2015, 01:44 AM   #13
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It's the old sheep in wolf's clothing trick.
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Old March 27, 2015, 05:06 AM   #14
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Yeah ... I've been noticing this sort of thing a lot lately.
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Old March 27, 2015, 05:42 AM   #15
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What you are seeing and describing is a deliberate shift in tactics. Bloomberg discovered he has more success taking his message directly to the court of public opinion than he does by going after lawmakers. Groups like Moms Demanding Action and Everytown are infiltrating everything from online reader comments to PTAs to groups like the League of Women Voters. They can't fight the NRA head to head with politicians so they are using the propoganda angle via the air waves, online reader comments and social media. I've especially noticed what appears to be professional anti-gun trolls posting ridiculous reader comments repeatedly on online news sources like Yahoo and Reuters. Their posts go up quick and hold top tier positions turning every news story with any reference to a firearm into a second amendment bashing diatribe.
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Old March 27, 2015, 07:53 AM   #16
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Because you are the problem, not the effluent or popular.
I don't know if that was a typo, or a pun, but that's kinda of funny.
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Old March 27, 2015, 08:21 AM   #17
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Well welcome to 2015.

National Attack Our Rights didn't work, so they are coming home to you locally. Don't think a guy on the air is just speaking from the gut or his own opinion. Bloomberg feeds many.
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Old March 27, 2015, 08:38 AM   #18
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Oily beat me to it. It's the latest Bloomberg financed wave of propaganda, find a compliant gun owner and use his "concerns" as a responsible clean living guy to support disarmament.

No, the guy isn't for that at all - he's just being used. Defining him as being a member of a group with the name of a cartoon character isn't going to help, Bloomberg's agents are working their way to guys with a CCW.

It's basically well meaning people looking for their few seconds in the limelight, who have no clue about what sort of negative feedback they will likely get from their friends and neighbors. Nobody warns them about that. Hey, it's a free country, right? THERE OUGHT TO BE A LAW!

If they were better informed, they would already know there are laws, they are useless, and that is why we do have the police and the 2A. That logical connection hasn't been made by them.

Might sound like another extremist view to some, but something I saw and adopted myself on return from deployment. I don't give interviews. Ever. My wife did on a school topic and by the 10:00 sound bite her message was transformed from concerned mom to bitter cult member.

My son is a video editor - given free rein with a half hour interview, he could make Ted Nugent sound like Bloomberg's latest supporter.

For those considering getting in front of the camera, just don't. We aren't skilled professionals there any more than most of us aren't door kicking operators who invade Pakistani townhouses. The sad fact is some simply can't get the memo, or won't connect the dots.

And we will see them in the next edition of "Gun Owners Duped Into Supporting Disarmament" at 6.
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Old March 27, 2015, 09:02 AM   #19
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DJ I hear on a regional station (100k watt tower) was talking about how he personally was against constitutional carry last week. He did say the station had no stance and that he was stating his personal opinion, and asked people to call in if they wanted to talk about it. His position was that the state had the right to verify you took a training course before untrained citizens were 'turned loose' to conceal carry. Why this was being discussed on a classic rock station that advertises "less talk / no interruptions" I don't know.
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Old March 27, 2015, 09:10 AM   #20
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Erik M. I think you do know.

Mushy skulls listening get it from school, moms, TV, web, politicians and DJ's.......child's play to make the masses afraid of guns.
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Old March 27, 2015, 09:10 AM   #21
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Quote from post 16

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Because you are the problem, not the effluent or popular.
I don't know if that was a typo, or a pun, but that's kinda of funny.
I noticed that, too, thought it was a deliberate pun.

And it's probably good advice not to grant one-on-one interviews. I've seen 180 distortions in the printed media when I was actually present and conscious and sober at the original press conference.

And if you tag them on the errors, "corrections" appear on page 32, section 3A in the newspaper --i.e., the Gardening or Weddings section.

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Old March 27, 2015, 09:18 AM   #22
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I'm not trying to take your rifle or your shotgun out of your car, I think you should be able to own a gun.
That's the crux of the matter. Most gun owners don't see guns as an actual tool for self defense. They see it as a confidence boosting talisman and so can't understand that everyone else doesn't feel the same way.

In their eyes as long as they leave you with "a gun" (doesn't matter what it is - they don't really know all the differences anyways) then they think the 2nd Amendment has been satisfied and you should be fine since you're not really going to use that thing anyways - it's just to make you feel better (again - in their eyes).

If all they leave us with is single-shot shotguns they'd still be rolling their eyes at us while yelling "You've still got guns. Nobody took your guns away!?!?!".

That's why gun control won't work. The people advocating for it truly don't even understand the viewpoint on our end of the spectrum.
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Old March 27, 2015, 09:19 AM   #23
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Effluent
-Discharged waste material

A typographical error indeed. Affluent is the word that should have been used. Hell, if the shoe fits..,
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Old March 27, 2015, 09:25 AM   #24
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"I don't want to take your rifle or shotgun..........."

"I believe in the 2nd Amendment, but............"

"We don't want to infringe on anyone's gun rights........."

Is it time YET to scream LIAR the microsecond we hear these words?
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Old March 27, 2015, 12:32 PM   #25
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You'll hear it all if you listen to the radio long enough.

I heard a sports commentator describe a football player with an injured arm as being "all Bob Dole."

I heard a conservative talk show host describe Harry Truman as a "typical Democrat draft-dodger."

There's a whole lot of stupidity and ignorance out there.

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