Zumbo: Gun rag writer trashes "Assault Weapons"

blackhawk2000 · February 17, 2007, 10:24 PM

http://outdoorlife.blogs.com/zumbo/2...t_rifles_.html

This guy needs to be pounded hard

coyote_jr · February 17, 2007, 10:29 PM

Just doing his part for Remington, they'll probably have their own AR in a few years...just too much money in it

Car Knocker · February 17, 2007, 10:34 PM

Quote:

This guy needs to be pounded hard

He's entitled to his opinion.

Avenger29 · February 17, 2007, 10:42 PM

Well, if you scroll down a little and check out the comments, they start hammering him after a few.

RavenVT100 · February 17, 2007, 10:45 PM

I'm appalled at that article from someone who should know better. To call your fellow hunters "terrorists" because their choice of hunting equipment happens to have a politically incorrect appearance is wrong on so many levels.

**4v50 Gary** · February 17, 2007, 10:45 PM

Freedom of speech, even if we don't agree with him. When I was at H&K Armorer's School, I read a letter in the employee lunch room that described how one hunter wounded a bear which fled into some pretty inaccessible area. As it was getting dark, he decided not to pursue but came back the next day to finish it with his HK-91. Good thing too as it took multiple rounds to put the animal down. He said he was glad he had the HK and that but for that gun, the bear would have prevailed.

go_bang · February 17, 2007, 10:48 PM

Outside of the fact that he comes off as some traditionalist/elitist snob who's had his head in the sand for some time, I can understand his point. There are some states that do not allow semi-auto's for hunting. I think it ties into the idea that if you can't hit the critter with the first shot then you need to just stay home. Never mind that these guys usually have no argument with using pump or lever action rifles for hunting. With a little practice you can cycle those rifles almost as fast as a semi-auto, thus exposing the hypocrisy behind the whole notion.

Il Duca · February 17, 2007, 10:51 PM

If he only likes the traditional firearms, maybe we should take all his scopes and smokeless powder away? I am very disappointed in Outdoor Life.

kentucky_smith · February 17, 2007, 11:03 PM

I'm a hunter and will pretty much discount whatever Zumbo says from now on. You just made Dave Petzal seem intelligent.

There are few bolt guns that are as intrinsically accurate as an AR. It's actually, to me, the ideal coyote gun, mine is outfitted with a flattop and a Nikon scope. Great varmint outfit for $600.

I've a friend who spends a lot of time in Montana, claims there are AR's in the back windows where 30-30's used to be.

kentucky_smith · February 17, 2007, 11:10 PM

email these people with your complaints. As a hunter and firearm enthusiast, we don't need this.

olletters@time4.com

Travis Lee · February 17, 2007, 11:13 PM

And we are entitled to express our extreme scorn, contempt and disregard, are we not?

--Travis--

RockyMtnTactical · February 17, 2007, 11:17 PM

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Just doing his part for Remington, they'll probably have their own AR in a few years...just too much money in it

Remington makes AR's IIRC... but they only sell them to LE.

BobMcG · February 17, 2007, 11:23 PM

Yup, he's got a right to his opinion and so do I. I'm appalled at his attitude and by his opinion. It's my opinion that he should be banned from the prairies and woods. (Or praries as spelled by him.)

tuck2 · February 17, 2007, 11:30 PM

There are some very accurate military type semi autos made in U.S.A. . Im temped to own a semi auto . But I do not understand why anyone would get a military or sporting firearm made in a commie country .The commies are provideing arms and ammo to people who now are killing our boys over seas. The more purchased by Americans allows the commies to sell to others for less.

thexrayboy · February 17, 2007, 11:33 PM

Freedom of speech allows him to perpetuate his nonsense and freedom of speech allows me to call him any name I choose. In the words of a Warner Brother staple.....what a maroooon.

mustanger98 · February 17, 2007, 11:43 PM

Well, Zumbo ain't Nugent. He ain't trying to be.

Hey... Does this mean Zumbo don't like the thought of somebody huntin' with a Garand? Because if it's legal in Alabama with the 8rd en blocs (and my SP handloads), I'm liable to. And I also recall a guy came on American Rifleman TV... he's a Vietnam Vet and was showing off his M1A which he said is both his deer rifle (w/ 5rd mag) AND his Homeland Security rifle (w/ 20rd mags). Does Zumbo have a problem with him too?

Hey, ideally, deer hunting is "one shot, one kill". That's the basis of a humane harvest. Us hunters know that. Would Zumbo now say we're trying to be snipers?

EricTheBarbarian · February 17, 2007, 11:46 PM

well think about it, why wouldnt he say that. What has remington came out with lately except for the overpriced pos 710. remington doesnt make any of those guns as most of them are imported except ars. Ars are out of my price range but i dont see why anyone wouldnt want to hunt with an ar. I have an ak and a few mil surp guns that are alot cheaper than your average remington 700(which is a nice rifle). For the same price as a 710 you can get a medium priced ak. An ak is a hell of alot more fun to shoot than a clunky bolt action 710. those guns dont even come with iron sights. Hes bashing stuff that his company doesnt sell. You can get a terrorist sks thats alot cheaper than anything remington and be just as happy if not happier.

doc2rn · February 17, 2007, 11:46 PM

He has never served his country, or he would never make such a statement. Yes AR's and AK's have a place. I like my russian made AK-47 as much as my 3 ruger 77's. To condemn a really good firearm because of appearance just goes to show us his ignorance.

Remark redacted by Matt G

LubeckTech · February 17, 2007, 11:49 PM

What this IDIOT does not understand is that there are a group of people out there which seeks to take away EVERYTHING that goes band and he is playing right into their hands!! If you give them the what he calls "assualt weapons" guess what's next! It makes no difference if a rifle is bolt action or semi auto an accurate rifle is just that period banning them from hunting would serve no purpose. How would he know the difference since he is running his mouth about them insteag of shooting them???? A Duraganov will mess up any pararie dog as well as ANY 30-06 Remmington!!!!!

obxned · February 17, 2007, 11:50 PM

Unless you're hunting with a gun that fires 3-round bursts or is capable of full auto fire, it is hardly an assault weapon. If semi-auto is enough to make the gun an assault weapon, then a lot of duck hunters must be terrorist. If the synthetic stock is a problem for him, then I guess my Mossberg turkey gun is an assault rifle. If the problem he has is with the cartridge, then I guess I'll quit shooting my 30/06, my 45/70, my .45ACP. And what about my flintlock? After all, it was America's first assault weapon.

However, if anyone out there is unhappy with my choice of firearm, feel free to send me yours.

Cesiumsponge · February 17, 2007, 11:56 PM

What an elitist.

He will sit by and idly (or even actively participate) in banning teroristic assault rifles and airplane-piercing 50BMG, crackhead preferred Saturday Night Specials, gangbanger handguns, intimidating pump shotguns, and cowboy lever actions.

By the time they come for his precision bolt action high powered sniper rifle that can kill from 600 yards away and drop a 1000lb animal, there will be no one left to defend him because he already threw everyone else under the bus.

Its worse that it isn't just some chucklehead on a random blog. He is a writer for a large magazine with a wide audience. However judging by the commentary left, I would say 9/10 people are extremely pissed off.

The mixed blessing surrounding the 1st Amendment is that sometimes you have to sit through headaches like this Zumbo guy.

Remander · February 18, 2007, 12:02 AM

<Low Road removed by Art>

And he can kiss goodbye his "high power" rifles and "sniper scopes" he uses to deer hunt and the "high-capacity shotguns" that he uses on birds if applying an artificial and scary label like "assault rifle" is all it takes to dismiss a a gun as not worthy of ownership by hunters.

ReadyontheRight · February 18, 2007, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Freedom of speech, even if we don't agree with him.

I'm confused. Isn't "not agreeing with him" or saying that "his opinion is as worthwhile as monkeys flinging dung at each other", not free speech also?

Why does free speech suddenly stop BEFORE the point of a better argument?

mustanger98 · February 18, 2007, 12:09 AM

Guess what I hunt with... or did I already say this once in this thread? ...a tang-sighted Winchester .30-30... the original "redneck assault rifle"... and between me and my rifle, my last deer was "one shot, one kill".

**Art Eatman** · February 18, 2007, 12:24 AM

I did a quick skim. Looks like he got more than he bargained for, given the number of responses.

But no point to doing a bunch of name-callling here at THR.

Art

February 17, 2007, 10:24 PM	#1
blackhawk2000 member Join Date: March 25, 2003 Location: Mi Posts: 851	Zumbo: Gun rag writer trashes "Assault Weapons" http://outdoorlife.blogs.com/zumbo/2...t_rifles_.html This guy needs to be pounded hard

February 17, 2007, 10:45 PM	#6
4v50 Gary Moderator Join Date: December 19, 2002 Posts: 12,232	Freedom of speech, even if we don't agree with him. When I was at H&K Armorer's School, I read a letter in the employee lunch room that described how one hunter wounded a bear which fled into some pretty inaccessible area. As it was getting dark, he decided not to pursue but came back the next day to finish it with his HK-91. Good thing too as it took multiple rounds to put the animal down. He said he was glad he had the HK and that but for that gun, the bear would have prevailed. __________________ TFL Aluminium. Molon Labe!

February 17, 2007, 10:51 PM	#8
Il Duca Member Join Date: September 27, 2006 Location: Lutz Posts: 328	If he only likes the traditional firearms, maybe we should take all his scopes and smokeless powder away? I am very disappointed in Outdoor Life. __________________ In the begginning, God created Chuck Norris... -Norris 1:1.

February 17, 2007, 11:23 PM	#13
BobMcG Member Join Date: September 23, 2006 Posts: 560	Yup, he's got a right to his opinion and so do I. I'm appalled at his attitude and by his opinion. It's my opinion that he should be banned from the prairies and woods. (Or praries as spelled by him.) __________________ Two "musts" in life... Belong to the NRA and VOTE! NAHC Life member, NYSRPA member, WACA member, NEACA member, local range member.

February 17, 2007, 11:33 PM	#15
thexrayboy Member Join Date: September 3, 2006 Location: northern nevada Posts: 1,322	Freedom of speech allows him to perpetuate his nonsense and freedom of speech allows me to call him any name I choose. In the words of a Warner Brother staple.....what a maroooon. __________________ The United States War College definition of democracy: MOB RULE AT THE BALLOT BOX. Remember: When seconds count, the police can be there in minutes.

February 17, 2007, 10:29 PM	#2
coyote_jr member Join Date: July 31, 2006 Location: Providence, RI Posts: 456	Just doing his part for Remington, they'll probably have their own AR in a few years...just too much money in it

February 17, 2007, 10:42 PM	#4
Avenger29 Member Join Date: June 2, 2005 Location: SC Posts: 2,630	Well, if you scroll down a little and check out the comments, they start hammering him after a few.

February 17, 2007, 10:45 PM	#5
RavenVT100 Member Join Date: August 18, 2004 Posts: 1,104	I'm appalled at that article from someone who should know better. To call your fellow hunters "terrorists" because their choice of hunting equipment happens to have a politically incorrect appearance is wrong on so many levels.

February 17, 2007, 10:48 PM	#7
go_bang Member Join Date: November 2, 2006 Posts: 158	Outside of the fact that he comes off as some traditionalist/elitist snob who's had his head in the sand for some time, I can understand his point. There are some states that do not allow semi-auto's for hunting. I think it ties into the idea that if you can't hit the critter with the first shot then you need to just stay home. Never mind that these guys usually have no argument with using pump or lever action rifles for hunting. With a little practice you can cycle those rifles almost as fast as a semi-auto, thus exposing the hypocrisy behind the whole notion.

February 17, 2007, 11:03 PM	#9
kentucky_smith Member Join Date: October 6, 2005 Posts: 1,641	I'm a hunter and will pretty much discount whatever Zumbo says from now on. You just made Dave Petzal seem intelligent. There are few bolt guns that are as intrinsically accurate as an AR. It's actually, to me, the ideal coyote gun, mine is outfitted with a flattop and a Nikon scope. Great varmint outfit for $600. I've a friend who spends a lot of time in Montana, claims there are AR's in the back windows where 30-30's used to be.

February 17, 2007, 11:10 PM	#10
kentucky_smith Member Join Date: October 6, 2005 Posts: 1,641	email these people with your complaints. As a hunter and firearm enthusiast, we don't need this. olletters@time4.com

February 17, 2007, 11:13 PM	#11
Travis Lee Member Join Date: November 7, 2005 Location: New Mexico Posts: 219	And we are entitled to express our extreme scorn, contempt and disregard, are we not? --Travis--

February 17, 2007, 11:30 PM	#14
tuck2 Member Join Date: June 14, 2005 Location: Panhandle Of Nebr Posts: 77	There are some very accurate military type semi autos made in U.S.A. . Im temped to own a semi auto . But I do not understand why anyone would get a military or sporting firearm made in a commie country .The commies are provideing arms and ammo to people who now are killing our boys over seas. The more purchased by Americans allows the commies to sell to others for less.

February 17, 2007, 11:43 PM	#16
mustanger98 Member Join Date: June 23, 2004 Location: Union County, GA, CSA Posts: 2,975	Well, Zumbo ain't Nugent. He ain't trying to be. Hey... Does this mean Zumbo don't like the thought of somebody huntin' with a Garand? Because if it's legal in Alabama with the 8rd en blocs (and my SP handloads), I'm liable to. And I also recall a guy came on American Rifleman TV... he's a Vietnam Vet and was showing off his M1A which he said is both his deer rifle (w/ 5rd mag) AND his Homeland Security rifle (w/ 20rd mags). Does Zumbo have a problem with him too? Hey, ideally, deer hunting is "one shot, one kill". That's the basis of a humane harvest. Us hunters know that. Would Zumbo now say we're trying to be snipers? __________________ "There's only two things middle of the road; the double yellow line and a dead possum." "If you're being mugged by a couple of clowns, don't hesitate; go for the juggler."

February 17, 2007, 11:46 PM	#17
EricTheBarbarian Member Join Date: April 19, 2006 Location: The North Country Posts: 753	well think about it, why wouldnt he say that. What has remington came out with lately except for the overpriced pos 710. remington doesnt make any of those guns as most of them are imported except ars. Ars are out of my price range but i dont see why anyone wouldnt want to hunt with an ar. I have an ak and a few mil surp guns that are alot cheaper than your average remington 700(which is a nice rifle). For the same price as a 710 you can get a medium priced ak. An ak is a hell of alot more fun to shoot than a clunky bolt action 710. those guns dont even come with iron sights. Hes bashing stuff that his company doesnt sell. You can get a terrorist sks thats alot cheaper than anything remington and be just as happy if not happier.

February 17, 2007, 11:46 PM	#18
doc2rn Member Join Date: August 6, 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 2,324	Dumb and Dumber He has never served his country, or he would never make such a statement. Yes AR's and AK's have a place. I like my russian made AK-47 as much as my 3 ruger 77's. To condemn a really good firearm because of appearance just goes to show us his ignorance. Remark redacted by Matt G Last edited by Matt G; February 18, 2007 at 04:19 PM. Reason: Over-the-top remark.

February 17, 2007, 11:49 PM	#19
LubeckTech Member Join Date: September 13, 2006 Posts: 510	What this IDIOT does not understand is that there are a group of people out there which seeks to take away EVERYTHING that goes band and he is playing right into their hands!! If you give them the what he calls "assualt weapons" guess what's next! It makes no difference if a rifle is bolt action or semi auto an accurate rifle is just that period banning them from hunting would serve no purpose. How would he know the difference since he is running his mouth about them insteag of shooting them???? A Duraganov will mess up any pararie dog as well as ANY 30-06 Remmington!!!!!

February 17, 2007, 11:50 PM	#20
obxned Member Join Date: January 28, 2007 Location: OBX, NC Posts: 1,490	Unless you're hunting with a gun that fires 3-round bursts or is capable of full auto fire, it is hardly an assault weapon. If semi-auto is enough to make the gun an assault weapon, then a lot of duck hunters must be terrorist. If the synthetic stock is a problem for him, then I guess my Mossberg turkey gun is an assault rifle. If the problem he has is with the cartridge, then I guess I'll quit shooting my 30/06, my 45/70, my .45ACP. And what about my flintlock? After all, it was America's first assault weapon. However, if anyone out there is unhappy with my choice of firearm, feel free to send me yours.

February 17, 2007, 11:56 PM	#21
Cesiumsponge Member Join Date: November 6, 2004 Location: Washington Posts: 1,285	What an elitist. He will sit by and idly (or even actively participate) in banning teroristic assault rifles and airplane-piercing 50BMG, crackhead preferred Saturday Night Specials, gangbanger handguns, intimidating pump shotguns, and cowboy lever actions. By the time they come for his precision bolt action high powered sniper rifle that can kill from 600 yards away and drop a 1000lb animal, there will be no one left to defend him because he already threw everyone else under the bus. Its worse that it isn't just some chucklehead on a random blog. He is a writer for a large magazine with a wide audience. However judging by the commentary left, I would say 9/10 people are extremely pissed off. The mixed blessing surrounding the 1st Amendment is that sometimes you have to sit through headaches like this Zumbo guy.

February 18, 2007, 12:02 AM	#22
Remander Member Join Date: February 16, 2003 Posts: 435	<Low Road removed by Art> And he can kiss goodbye his "high power" rifles and "sniper scopes" he uses to deer hunt and the "high-capacity shotguns" that he uses on birds if applying an artificial and scary label like "assault rifle" is all it takes to dismiss a a gun as not worthy of ownership by hunters.

February 18, 2007, 12:09 AM	#24
mustanger98 Member Join Date: June 23, 2004 Location: Union County, GA, CSA Posts: 2,975	Guess what I hunt with... or did I already say this once in this thread? ...a tang-sighted Winchester .30-30... the original "redneck assault rifle"... and between me and my rifle, my last deer was "one shot, one kill". __________________ "There's only two things middle of the road; the double yellow line and a dead possum." "If you're being mugged by a couple of clowns, don't hesitate; go for the juggler."

February 18, 2007, 12:24 AM	#25
Art Eatman Administrator Join Date: December 22, 2002 Location: Terlingua, Texas Posts: 26,311	I did a quick skim. Looks like he got more than he bargained for, given the number of responses. But no point to doing a bunch of name-callling here at THR. Art __________________ Sincerity of belief, repetition and a high db level do not create truth.

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