H.R. 1022 - AWB II - What is in it? - Updated 2/23 on Page 6

[Bartholomew Roberts]

Everything that was banned before is banned now, with a few new additions:

1. Ruger Mini-14s are banned by name along with M1 carbines, Saiga, Hi-Point Carbines, Oly OA pistols, and any SKS with a detachable magazine. (Sec. 3(a)(B)-(C))

2. Shotguns and pistols are also banned on characteristics as before. Any semi-auto with a fixed magazine of greater than 10 rounds is banned. (Sec. 3(a)(G)-(I))

3. Rifles are banned based on a new list of characteristics and you can have only ONE forbidden feature. Now prohibited is any semi-automatic rifle with a detachable magazine AND:

a folding or telescoping stock;
a threaded barrel;
a pistol grip;
a forward grip; or
a barrel shroud (which is defined so broadly it could mean anything from a rail system, freefloat tube or even the regular plastic/wood handguards) (Sec. 3(a)(F))

If you have one of these, you have a prohibited assault weapon.

4. Any frame or receiver substantially identical to a weapon described above is also an assault weapon (Sec. 3(a)(J)

5. A conversion kit (The term `conversion kit' means any part or combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting a firearm into a semiautomatic assault weapon, and any combination of parts from which a semiautomatic assault weapon can be assembled if the parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.) is also an assault weapon. So pistol grips, rail systems, threaded barrels etc. are assault weapons in their own right now. (Sec. 3(a)(K))

6. Any semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for law enforcement or military use (M1 Garand) is presumed to be an assault weapon and the Attorney General may restrict it if he decides it does not have a sporting use (actual use of the rifle in a sport doesn't mean it has sporting use according to this section). (Sec. 3(a)(L))

There is a grandfather provision; but it is different from the previous ban in two ways:

7. Anything declared an AW can only be transfered via FFL or to state/local law enforcement. No more private sales. (Sec. 6)

8. Now unlawful to transfer anything declared an AW with a large-capacity (greater than 10 rounds) ammunition feeding device (Sec. 7(a) - not more than 10yrs imprisonment)

9. All import of preban magazines banned and FFLs have 60-days to register existing stocks of preban magazines if they wish to transfer them. (Sec. 9 and Sec. 7(b)(4))

10. Giving either an AW or a large-capacity magazine to someone under the age of 18 is a felony crime. (Sec. 8)

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Currently this bill is five days old and has only the original sponsor. It has been referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary and not yet assigned to a Subcommittee. This bill has never made it out of committee any year that McCarthy has offered it; but the Republicans always controlled the House then. This year, we will see how far the Democrats let it get.

if your Representative is on the House Judiciary Committee, you have an excellent chance to help us kill this bill right now by contacting your Representative and letting him/her know of your opposition to the bill.

[MatthewVanitas]

Should we call our reps even if they aren't on the Judiciary Committee, or should we save that for after it moves out of committee?

I'm all for nipping things in the bud, but I don't want to become "white noise" that will be tuned out by the time this actually moves forward. (if it does)



So it's basically CA AWB, but you can transfer pre-bans through FFLs? That should make the "I'm gonna stock up and make a killing in pre-bans" folks really happy.

-MV

[geekWithA.45]

What are they after?

Two letters:

A.R.

and two more letters:

A.K.


Actually, they're not after that, really.

They're after one thing:

The notion that the citizens have the right to choose to be as well armed as your average foot soldier.

[Bartholomew Roberts]

I would hold off contacting my rep at this point in time unless they were on the House Judiciary Committee. If it looks like the bill stands a chance of leaving committee, that would be the time to contact your representative regardless.

Between the NRA, GOA, JPFO, SAF and THR members, we should have at least several days notice if the bill starts to gain traction.

[buzz_knox]

The notion that the citizens have the right to choose to be as well armed as your average foot soldier.

Or your average cop, security guard, or, ultimately, your average unarmed serf.

[cosine]

I've already contacted my rep on the committee with my opposition to this bill. Sensenbrenner is usually pretty good in firearms issues, but it doesn't hurt to provide a little reminder.

[ctdonath]

Any suggestions on how to indicate opposition, and to approach discussions about this bill?

A prime concern I have is not getting wrapped up in nuanced discussion of details; anti-gun types may have found that pro-gun types will get tied in knots analyzing and complying with such laws ... while bans are unapologetically enacted.
Remind Democrats that AWB I was the primary reason for their subsequent massive loss of power.
Observe that an AWB has been discussed at length for over a decade.
Compliance. Somehow methinks compliance will be an issue. 'nuff said.

Somehow the point must be made that a gun ban, regardless of majority vote, is not a viable option.

[Thin Black Line]

Like I said in the other thread, no more wiggle room.

The notion that the citizens have the right to choose to be as well armed as your average foot soldier.

LOL, are those 37mm flare launchers banned yet --I'll bet most antis think
those are the same as a 203.

[ctdonath]

They're after one thing: The notion that the citizens have the right to choose to be as well armed as your average foot soldier.

That was squashed in '86. You can't have an M4 or M16 (save a few rare old used overpriced ones).

They're after the notion that citizens have the right to be anywhere in the vicinity of being as well armed as your average foot soldier.

Rather than fighting them at their chosen venue ("assault weapons") methinks we should be fighting them at our chosen venue: new machineguns. Flank 'em. Attack 922(o) - don't get wound up over pistol grips and threaded barrels etc. couched in pages of verbiage when you can secure all that by eliminating the single sentence that effectively bans "da switch".

[ctdonath]

Maybe I'm missing something ... I don't actually see a definition of "large capacity ammunition feeding device", nor prohibitions of making, selling, or owning (some restrictions, but more fringe than really problematic).

[tbtrout]

Ctdonath,

It is called incrementalism. It will start with the theory of a few reasonable restrictions as we had once before and the evil republicans let lapse and caused the turmoil we are in now, and we wish to add these sensible restrictions to protect our chldren. After all no one needs more than 10 rounds of ammo to target shoot, right? Same BS, same BS'rs, same sheep tha will complain and do nothing about it. America voted for these yahoos, now we are stuck with them. The problem is they are not stupid enough to believe what they say, but Americans are and the thought that it sounds good or feels good or seem reasonable will get almost any non thinker to agree with you.

[Bartholomew Roberts]

This bill is written as an amendment to the 1994 AWB, so the definition of "large capacity ammunition device" from that bill in Title 18 922 would apply.

[imprezagm4]

Deplorable.

That makes most any rifle illegal as I see it.

[MD_Willington]

Hey I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, I have 3-15 rnd mags for my S&W-5906, do I get to keep them?

I've contacted my rep already, no reply as of yet...

[Daemon688]

So I need to buy a....

Saiga 12 Tromix conversion
M4
AK

If this leaves committee. Unfortunately Keith Ellison is no friend of the 2A.

[steveracer]

...to include almost every single rifle that isn't bolt action/single shot in the world. We will be armed with single shot .22s in no time, and not long after that, no guns at all, and crossbows will be banned, and black powder, and pocket knives, and pointy sticks.
Look at the UK. They can't even have a swiss army knife on them, for God's sake!
I'm sitting here trying to figure out what part of the US can't be hit by a Tomahawk cruise missile, and we'll set up Firebase Steveracer.

[Bartholomew Roberts]

Hey I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, I have 3-15 rnd mags for my S&W-5906, do I get to keep them?

Yes; but you cannot sell the mags with any firearm that qualifies as an "assault weapon". To use an example, if you had an AK47 w/ 3 30rd mags. You could not sell the magazines and rifle as a package. You would have to sell the rifle to an FFL (or donate it to law enforcement). The magazines would have to be sold separately. Failure to do so would be a felony.

It also brings up the ugly question of what happens if you sell an AW to an FFL (legal) and then later sell the same FFL the magazines for the weapon. Does that count as "Selling with an AW" under this legislation? The legislation doesn't say. This leaves a large gray area for ATF to interpret.

[Thin Black Line]

This leaves a large gray area for ATF to interpret.

[MD_Willington]

Yes; but you cannot sell the mags with any firearm that qualifies as an "assault weapon". To use an example, if you had an AK47 w/ 3 30rd mags. You could not sell the magazines and rifle as a package. You would have to sell the rifle to an FFL (or donate it to law enforcement). The magazines would have to be sold separately. Failure to do so would be a felony.

Thank you for the reply.

This leaves a large gray area for ATF to interpret.

That is indeed scary, they don'y need any extra help.

[LAR-15]

The bill reinstates the 1994 Public Saftey and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act and adds to it (expands it).

[jcoiii]

Full text is finally published for thsoe that wish to read it.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill...bill=h110-1022

[Wes Janson]

I can't get the Imperial March out of my head now.

[Jeff]

Does anyone see the irony in the name of the bill? -- 1022, as in 10/22

[steveracer]

Sorry, don't get it.

[Jeff]

I was referring to the Ruger 10/22, which seems to be the most ubiquitous autoloading rifle ever manufactured in the US, and one which often gets dressed up with military style accessories.