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Old June 22, 2007, 08:15 PM   #576
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I own a Marlin 336W chambered in 30-30. This was my first firearm and I really love shooting it. I've since spruced it up a bit with a Pachmayer recoil pad, some Leupold rings and scope base (good scope is on order still) and my hand made stock saddle that can hold 6 rounds.

Now I just need to either buy a nice new leather sling or craft one out of black canvas myself.

It matches my 6 shooter pretty nicely as well!
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Old June 22, 2007, 10:16 PM   #577
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R'man, your son looks positively bummed out about that hunt.

Nice one.
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Old June 23, 2007, 05:21 AM   #578
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DJ, welcome to 336-ville, and THR.

Single action revolver, too?

Nice.
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Old June 23, 2007, 08:07 AM   #579
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Hmm.

It seems that my signature has changed.

I wonder what that means ...



Hey, maybe I'm changing
the focus of my training
to a different set of guns ...
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Old June 23, 2007, 11:13 PM   #580
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Dry firing a 336?

Quick question:
  • Is it OK to dry fire a 336 a lot to help smooth out the action?
  • Any kind of snap caps recommended?
  • Safety off, I'm assuming ... (hammer hitting
    that cross bolt a bunch of times couldn't be good for metal fatigue).

Nem, feeling more well-rounded (so to speak) these days
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Old June 23, 2007, 11:16 PM   #581
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Action work

Second question: if you were going to send a 336 off to a gunsmith to smooth up the action, who would it be?

Link? Contact info? Guesstimate of how much it might cost, plus or minus $50?

Thx.

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Old June 23, 2007, 11:49 PM   #582
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Nematocyst,
One trick I've found is to put a snort of white lithium grease on the tip of the lever before you re-install it back into the gun. I'm not sure how many surfaces it rubs on in there but it can make a pretty major difference in how smoothly the lever action works.

Other than that I haven't felt the need to mess with my 336's action at all. Okay it's not as slick as my Cowboy action rifle but I doubt I'd ever try to run 10 rounds of .30-30 in 8 seconds either
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Old June 24, 2007, 03:30 AM   #583
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Ze, that sounds reasonable.
I'll try it out.

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Old June 24, 2007, 10:44 AM   #584
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Hey Nem.,
What pumps you trying out?
I was given a pump by my dad this year and I love it!!
I have not had the chance to shoot it yet and he only shot 3 shells thru it about 40 years ago. It's an Ithaca model 37 and it looks brand new! He even gave me the origional sales reciept and the shells he bought that day. I would never shoot them since they might explode in my face but it is kind of neat to have them. I know this is not a 336 issue but it crossed my mind when I saw your new signature.

Let me know what pump you are working with and if there is a thread running on it.
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Old June 24, 2007, 07:34 PM   #585
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Nem, when I had Mic McPherson customize my 336 he smoothed out the action for me and made the trigger a little lighter. I highly recommend his work:

www.levergun.com
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Old June 24, 2007, 09:13 PM   #586
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Z_, I've got Mic page bookmarked. Glad to get another good recommendation. Thnx. He sounds like the benchmark standard from what I've read.
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E'trode, I personally have no problem with discussing other guns in here on occasion. We are, after all, a group of folks who all (most) own 336, but also own/shoot other guns. Good to share some info about those others as well.

I only have one shotgun, and it's a pump: an 870P. I've been an 870 guy since I was about 15. Although I haven't owned an 870 at all times since then, when I do own a shotgun, it's an 870.

(Funny though, I'm starting to consider adding a 2X2 "coach" gun at some point.)

I'm saying nothing disparaging here about others. Mossberg's are fine shotguns, too, as are Ithaca's. (And all the better that it was your father's.)

It's just that for me, 870 is what I know best. I came here to THR to learn more about which 870 I wanted. Well, actually, I came to learn which 870P I wanted. (There are multiple configurations available and I couldn't sort them out two years ago.) I learned what I wanted and more.

Here is the thread that I started in shotguns to explore that question. The first post in that thread was my first post on THR. (Wow. That brings back memories.) It's a bit dated now, and not relevant to your Ithaca, but it'll give you a sense of the kind of questions I was asking.

I wound up with the 870P - 4461. (At least, I think it was a 4461; funny how numbers begin to fade over time.)

In any case, I haven't regretted getting an 870P.



There are tons of 870 threads in Shotguns. At any given time, there are at least two or five threads that relate to 870 (and usually others) in some way, and a ton of folks who know WAY more about them than I do. Dave McCracken, Lee Lapin, SM, Dfariswheel and others are great advisers offering solid advice. I read every thing they write about any issue I'm interested in, whether or not I actually wind up taking their advice.

Hope this helps.

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Old June 24, 2007, 10:18 PM   #587
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Just bought a 336w with marlin scope as a package yesterday for $399. How could I resist that?

I took it to a friends house yesterday and used it to successfully repel a determined attack by a tree stump.

Nice trigger.

This morning I fired a few groups at a 100 yard target. My camera needs batteries so I have no pics but I managed to get a group of about 1 and 1/4 inches centered (2 rds in the orange 1" center dot) on the third group. I was using winchester 170 grain power-point ammo.

At 100 yards, sitting on the ground on a tarp with a ice cooler as a bench!

Excellent rifle in my opinion and the scope does what I need a scope to do.

It also looks really good next to the Marlin 1895 45-70 I bought a few weeks ago.
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Old June 24, 2007, 10:28 PM   #588
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It also looks really good next to the Marlin 1895 45-70 I bought a few weeks ago.
Ohhhhh! What a whammy ending!

I was already thinking, yeah, this person has come to the right place, then that: .45-70, too.

Martin, welcome to 336ville & THR. How cool you're here first,
and that you've got a new 336 AND a new 1895.

Listen, that last thing is a POS. Let me send you a shipping address
so I can take it off your hands before you become too disillusioned.
No thanks necessary. It's nothing really; glad to help out.

OK, you're membership is approved, but we won't send your spiffy plastic card until you post pics!

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Old June 24, 2007, 10:32 PM   #589
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Hey Nem.,
I like the look of the shotgun. I'll check out the other thread later. I sure would hate to be staring at the "business" end of that thing!!
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Old June 24, 2007, 10:47 PM   #590
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Welcome Martin!

With a 336 & an 1895 I can already tell you have very good taste in rifles.
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Old June 24, 2007, 10:51 PM   #591
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My 336 is in .35 Remington. 20 inch tube, no 'safety' crap.

But I held an actual Marlin Marauder, 16 inch barrel, in .35 Remington! Guy wouldn't sell it, so I got the 20 incher for $225.
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Old June 24, 2007, 11:24 PM   #592
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Deaf, I hear you re the safety issue. (Oh, no pun intended there.)

I wonder sometimes if having the cross bolt is really more safe or less so due to the added complication over the hammer half-cock.

Glad to have another .35 Rem rifle rep here. My first 336 (a C, that I had to sell during financial stress in the 80's) was .35 Rem. For some reason, this time around, I went .30-30. I think it was about recoil, ammo availability, etc, but I don't really have a good reason.

What influenced you to go with the .35?

I'll have to read up on those Marauders. That's a new one for me, I think.
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Old June 24, 2007, 11:32 PM   #593
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i love mine will send pic soon
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Old June 24, 2007, 11:33 PM   #594
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In three pages of a google search, I found only one description of the Marauder, and it's real short:

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The Model 336 Marauder carbine was introduced in 1963; however, the name "Marauder proved to be a commercial disaster at the time, and production of the Marauder was combined with production of the Model 336T Texan in 1964, since the receivers and mechanisms were identical. The Marauder had a very short 16.25-inch barrel. As said, the Marauders were superseded by the Model 336T Texan...
I am interested to read more about Marauders, and why the name was "a commercial disaster".
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Old June 24, 2007, 11:35 PM   #595
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Charlie, I look forward to seeing and reading about it.

(Oh, is "it" a Marauder?)
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Old June 26, 2007, 06:47 AM   #596
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Loosen the action

While sitting here reading threads on this forum,
listening to afrocelt music on the system,
I've been working the action of my 336.

It's still stiff.

Well, let me clarify that.

The trigger, hammer and cross bolt are smooth.

The "stiffness" happens when
levering the lever
forward from hammer down;
stiffness is at positions one & three.

'One' is just after opening the lever,
that first semi-stop that you hit on the way forward.

['Two' is at the apex of the forward stroke.]

'Three' is at the very end of a lever stroke, on the way back,
that little 'click' to nestle the lever back against the stock.

One & three are stiff.
Both require too much force, IMO.
They should be like butter.

I'm working the action trying to smooth it out
while listening to this afroceltic music,
but I suspect it'll need an action job.
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All this talk of butter made me hungry.

I'm going to cook some popcorn.
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Old June 26, 2007, 09:00 AM   #597
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DISCLAIMER!!! I am not a gunsmith. I am not giving professional advice. If you do not understand how the internal mechanisims of a firearm work DO NOT attempt any of the following tweaks. I take zero responsibility for lack of skill or knowledge on the part of anyone reading this post.

Having said that...

"one" is your hammer being cocked. You want that lighter you are talking about polishing the top edge of your hammer (#36), polishing up the "tail" of the hammer strut (#43) and possibly lightening up, or better yet replacing, the hammer spring (Part #38 in your manual).

"Three" is the lock retainer that keeps the lever up (part #17 and it's spring #19). Again you are probably talking polishing the tip of #17 and maybe lightening spring #19.

DO NOT mess with any of the trigger safety block parts
(#74, 75, 76) as you don't want the ability to trigger the hammer while the bolt is out of battery!

Some people will suggest polishing up the locking bolt (part #47) THIS IS WRONG, DO NOT MESS WITH THE LOCKING BOLT OTHER THAN LUBRICATING IT. The locking bolt helps set headspace and you do NOT want to alter that.

was I clear enough on that? DO NOT MESS WITH THE LOCKING BOLT (PART#47)

I am not a big fan of "lightening" springs (aka cutting off coils), especially the hammer spring. If it really drives you crazy then find lighter springs to use (Wolff Reduced Power kit from Brownells) and put the original away in case you want it later. If the hammer spring is too light you'll get misfires on hard primers.
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Old June 26, 2007, 06:24 PM   #598
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Hey Ed and Mo,
I love the look of the rifles. I always like to see how people scout scope their marlins. I did the same only with a leupold scout scope (pics posted in postings #428 and #430). I have not had a chance to take it to a good range yet but hopefully I can get there soon with a few boxes of hornady ammo. I have shot some of that ammo and I like it, but I need some more range time before deer season this year.
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e'trode,

Been busy and just got around to looking at it. That is one gorgeous rifle you have and I'm afraid if I were holding it, I would just have to hunker down in some bushes with it.

I googled around looking for stocks like that, but it seems a rare item. I'd love to do my 1894P in those.

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Old June 26, 2007, 08:03 PM   #599
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Nematocyst,

I grew up on the 336. First five deer was with a 336 Texan carbine (and being a Texican, well that just kind of fit!) I've always wanted a .35, and this pawnshop just had a nice older used one, no safety, no nothing. Cheep price to!

Now I've killed deer with .223, .243, 30/30, 308, 30-06, .300 WM, and .338 WM, and my main deer gun is the Ruger 77 'compact' (I'm lazy nowdays.) But I still go back to the 336. And I hate those safeties. There is nothing wrong with the old half-cock. What is wrong is so many people not learning how to handle and shoot right. Heck, I shoot Glocks in IDPA, and there ain't no safety on them (the trigger safety is BS...)

The Maruader was just cool. Strait stock, short barrel. He had a scope it but I'd have just used a Lyman peep. I sure wish they made a 'guide' gun in that round (and I've owned two Guide guns and yep, they kick like heck.) That Maruader must have been about the weight of a M1 Carbine without a scope. What a nice packing rifle.

Anyway, this year I intend on using the .35 for my deer gun. Bring back memories it will.
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Old June 26, 2007, 09:38 PM   #600
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Went to a gun show last week-end, must have been at least a dozen 336's of various styles, including 2 .35 Remingtons. All were less than $275, including the ones with scopes.
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