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Old November 14, 2007, 10:44 PM   #1151
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That's the spirit, RandolH!

Good luck finding the one you want. Let us know if we can help.
Well, if the gun show turns out to be a bust Dick's Sporting Goods has a 336A with a scope on sale for $319.99. They've also in the past had them either on sale or significantly discounted on Black Friday. I know I'd rather go there than deal with the insanity that will overtake Best Buy or CompUSA...

I was originally looking at a .45-70 but for now at least that's just too much gun for me. I passed up literally dozens of dirt cheap ($150-200) 336s both 30-30 and 35 rem at Court Days last month; makes me sad.
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Old November 14, 2007, 10:47 PM   #1152
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a 336A with a scope on sale for $319.99
New?!

Man, if so, I'd snap that up like a trout taking a mayfly.

I paid almost $360 for mine ... without a scope.
(Not that I'd necessarily want the scope, but still ... )
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Old November 15, 2007, 10:09 AM   #1153
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i've seen the 336 w/scope at dicks on sale for 299. right now its 320. thinking about getting one...
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Old November 15, 2007, 03:03 PM   #1154
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I got mine for that price at Dicks last week but the sale is now over where I'm at in MN.
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Old November 15, 2007, 08:03 PM   #1155
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i've seen the 336 w/scope at dicks on sale for 299.
<gasp>
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Old November 16, 2007, 11:33 AM   #1156
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are you saying i should have bought it? i wish i had more disposable income...
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Old November 16, 2007, 05:20 PM   #1157
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Sean,

Sorry for my vagueness.

I try to avoid the word "should" when talking with others about anything.
But $299 with scope is a very good price for a 336A w/scope, IMO.

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i wish i had more disposable income...
<laughs>

Yeah, welcome to the (336) club.
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Old November 16, 2007, 11:36 PM   #1158
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Well it turns out that my local Dick's Sporting Goods sold out of the 336As that were on sale.

So I got a rain check, insurance if the gun show doesn't pay out.
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Old November 16, 2007, 11:55 PM   #1159
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Good luck, Randol. Hope you find a beauty. Keep us posted.
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Old November 17, 2007, 12:14 AM   #1160
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Curious

I have a question, I have a 30/30 If I get a 35 in a 336 will I have a longer range of accuracy than with the 30/30. I believe the one I'm looking at has the same barrel length as my 30/30 which is 20".
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Old November 17, 2007, 04:25 AM   #1161
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121,

Welcome in.

Take this with a grain of salt (or three).
There are others here with more knowledge of .35 that me.

I'm going to predict no more range with the .35.
More power over the same range (f = ma),
but no more range.

I think that's especially true given
the Hornady LE ammo for .30/30.
It stretches the range of .30/30 out to 200.
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Which leads to a question.
Is there an LE for the 35?
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Added by edit after research...

Answer: yes.

But note that w/ LE at 200 yds,
the .30/30 trajectory is 0.2.
For the .35, it's -1.3.

So, no more accuracy.
(Well, at least, no more flat trajectory.
I guess if you're good at estimating vertical drop,
accuracy - keeping it on target - may stay the same.)

But more surprisingly, at 200 yds,
the .35 has only slightly more energy.
  • .30/30 = 1304 ft/lb
  • .35 = 1315 ft/lb
Interesting.
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Old November 17, 2007, 07:55 PM   #1162
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IMHO the 35 Remington has the edge on the 30-30 when it comes to performance on (big) game. Accuracy on average is equal.

The 30-30 surpasses the 35 Remington in availability, economics of ammo and rifles and practicality for those that don't handload.

It is a great hunting caliber. If one didn't have budget constraints and had the ability to handload the 35 Remington would be a fine choice.
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Old November 17, 2007, 11:49 PM   #1163
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got my first deer today

she is a small doe like 60-75 lbs

it was like a 70 yard shot with my scoped .30-30

i would have taken a picture but with the missing eye socket i decided to spare u guys

........hehehe i got a head shot on a deer im proud of my self
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Old November 19, 2007, 05:17 PM   #1164
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got a 336 e at pawn shop

I was checking my local pawn shops and i saw a lever action in the back of the cabinet i asked to see it the guy working there tells me its a 30/30 winchester i can see its a marlin so i dont say anything to him he hands it to me and says he wants 250 for it i show him its a marlin and its a 32 win special so he says i will take 200 for it i counter with 180 and he says sold
so i got a 336 sc 32 win special e serial number which makes it a 1948 i belive and it is in mint conditon and with the 3/4 tube it looks neat so some time a pawn shop works out i have 4 i check in my area this is the only time i found a old gem like this will try to post pictures down the road
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Old November 19, 2007, 05:23 PM   #1165
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i've seen the 336 w/scope at dicks on sale
There's a sporting goods store called "Dicks on Sale"?

Hey anyone have an XS scout mount on a Marlin levergun?

After some more frustrating experiences in the field, I want to build the ultimate "Whatever happens, I'll be ready!" deer gun.

In local mountains, there are long shots and there are jump shots. Sometimes, a scoped boltie is perfect; other times an 1894 would be the gun to have. I'd love to have a gun that will shoot 200+ yards accurately, but still come up like a shotgun if we jump a deer. A 336 with a Leupold IER scope, loaded with LE ammo, sounds like the ticket.
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Old November 19, 2007, 07:53 PM   #1166
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First off

Congratulations to michman and paintballdude... each with an excellent catch of the day...
And to Nemo and JustsayMo, I thank you both.. excellent reviews on a well scrutinized topic...
Here's my honest objective opinion... when the debate is minutely moved across both sides of the line, there's only one way to settle it. That's to bring it to a test up close and personal like.
So long as that 35 336 Marlin is sitting at my favorite [hmm, one of many] gun shop, I'll have to snag it, grab a box of each in the Hornady LeverLution, [personally hate giving them my money when I'm an avid re-loader] not sure they even have it in 35 but, again, take em out to the range and have a blast, literally.. To my best ears, I've heard anything over 150gr is retarded for dear up here, so, I'll have to keep that in mind when buying and testing the rounds..
Again cudos on the doe and mega cudos on the 32 win...
Lets be safe, and most of all have fun out there next week..

I'm Dan from Lake Ariel PA, and I love this stuff!!!
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Old November 19, 2007, 08:48 PM   #1167
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thanks dan
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Old November 19, 2007, 10:44 PM   #1168
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Armed Bear,
I scouted one of my 336's http://www.grovestreet.com/jsp/onepic.jsp?id=1057734

The system works well. The mount holds securely and many of the handling characteristics of the levergun are retained with a small penalty in weight. The scout scope will improve precision and extend the useful range of our beloved Marlins. It is also useful earlier in the day and later in the evening when alignment of the iron sights is difficult. Even with the low powered Leupold Scout Scope the steel gong at 300 meters was not safe with a little hold over. My 100 yard groups rivaled and in some cases surpassed my bolt rifles groups. http://www.grovestreet.com/jsp/onepic.jsp?id=1057735
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Old November 19, 2007, 11:49 PM   #1169
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Thanks. Looks like just the ticket. Nice group, too.

I know it won't be quite as light and quick as an iron-sighted lever gun, but it will be more than a pound lighter and nearly 6" shorter than my scoped .30-06. Furthermore, my right eye has some astigmatism, so a scout scope will buy me a good deal more range, especially in low light.

What peep sight is that? Do you leave itt on when you use the scope? How does that work for you?

Are those Warne QD rings?

Thanks again.
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Old November 20, 2007, 12:23 AM   #1170
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The peep in the picture is a williams. I would NOT recommend it. I replaced with a Skinner (peep) Sight and found it to be much better suited for the Marlins I have them on (1895, 336 & 39). I zero the peep sight and then mount and zero the scope. The peeps are there for backups if needed and don't interfere with scope use.

I used the Leupold QR rings. They hold well and are easy to remove without tools. I have found that some re-zeroing is required after remounting though.
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Old November 20, 2007, 01:18 AM   #1171
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Dude, did you move?

I thought you were in Mo.
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Such good advice flying here. Nice to see the club house is in good hands.
I'm buried at work, trying to float the business (read pay rent).

Yes, scout scope mount is the ticket.

GR's: XS and Skinner.

How I miss range days, the kick of the .30-30.
If I can float the business successfully, I'll be back at the range soon.

If not, at least I'll have the 336 when I move onto the street.
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Old November 20, 2007, 04:16 AM   #1172
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I used to own a 336w and have been wanting a replacement since I sold it.

A month or so ago I was browsing one of the auction sites and scored a used 336 in 30-30 with a williams peep sight for $150.00.
It turns out it's a 1978 model and in pretty good condition; just a little surface rust.

The only thing that concerns me is the muzzle. It doesn't look worn, but I'm used to milsurps so I did a bullet test. The bullet rested about 1/8th of an inch from the cannelure(a perfect muzzle it's supposed to be 3/8" I believe).
Could the micro-groove rifling be causing the discrepancy? Or am I just nitpicking?
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Old November 20, 2007, 04:24 AM   #1173
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... a used 336 in 30-30 with a williams peep sight for $150.00
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury,
I submit to you that this person
has perpetrated a theft.

$150 for a Marlin 336 in .30-30?
That's absurd!

This was theft,
plain and simple.

The prosecution rests.
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SCB,

Just kidding.

Welcome to 336-ville and THR.

Others will address your muzzle question
in greater detail, but I'll venture this:

You did good.

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Old November 20, 2007, 08:27 AM   #1174
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Nem wrote: "JustsayMo...the Evergreen State
Dude, did you move? I thought you were in Mo."

Nope, Mo is my nickname. Sounds better than JustsayMaurice . I'm outposted in the same region you are, just far enough north of Seattle that it's still America but in its vile shadow. Dreaming about moving to the dry side.

I believe the NW is fairly well represented in this club.
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Old November 21, 2007, 08:37 PM   #1175
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Why the lever gun? Like the Fiddler on the Roof said, it's TRADITION!. The decade 1890-1900 (approximately) saw the perfection of the early metallic cartridge repeating rifle. Smokeless powder was introduced. The models of '86, '92, '94, '95 were the first really powerful, long-range rifles commonly available to the common man. And they were all levers.
Maine is my home and in my shroud. My father, grandfather, uncles, all owned lever guns. Everyone they knew did. They were 'THE' deer rifle here. The bolt gun didn't come along until after WWI, when the Krag and Springfield began showing up in country gun shops. But by then, Grandpop's old lever gun, be it in .45-90 (as was mine, and unfortunately...I was never told that .45-70 shells would fire safely in the old cannon...) or in the more common .30-30, .32 Special, and short .44-40 and .38-40, were passed down to the next generation of impoverished Maine hunters, who found them more than adequate, still.
Vermin were still dispatched neatly with Winchester .25-20's and .32-20's. And when my turn came to buy my own FIRST rifle, a Marlin in .35 Remington was first choice, and the rifle that put down my first solo deer.
Almost all of those heirloom guns still lurk in the countryman's closet corner, still ready to serve as they have for nearly a century now.
Oh, we play with the 'new-fangled' needle-blowin' bolt guns, and a new generation, that weren't fostered by tradition, play with those self-firin' gadgets they learned about in Veet Nam or the movies. But the lever is still the time-honored, much used, just-right choice of true outdoorsmen: Here in Maine...and I suspect, just about everywhere.
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