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Old December 4, 2007, 03:49 AM   #1226
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Is NP3 available only for stainless guns? Doesn't look like it'd work for blue, but they do seem to have some technology for blued guns.
Nem, you can get pretty much any metal surface NP3 coated, but you'll want a clean & even surface to start with. In the case of a firearm you'd strip the bluing or other exterior coating. If necessary you'd then bead blast to even out the surface before doing an NP3 or similar electroless nickel finish.

I agree that the Nickel & SS 336s do have a really nice look. That's a fine lookin rifle you have xd9.
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Old December 4, 2007, 04:28 AM   #1227
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Lever guns ...

... seem to be on people's minds.
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Old December 4, 2007, 02:10 PM   #1228
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I have only heard about NP3 being used on SS surfaces, otherwise they will take the original surface off first.
I Like the almost Rugerish "Target Grey" it gives the SS.

My xd9 4inch bitone is NP3's......and like a lightsaber to a jedi.....it fits.

I am thinking about getting the NP3 on my Ruger Mark III Hunter.....not sure yet.

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Old December 5, 2007, 06:07 AM   #1229
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.30-30 keyholes?

Heads up, boys and girls.
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Old December 5, 2007, 06:30 AM   #1230
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.30-30 keyholes?
Nem, I dropped a reply in the thread you linked in your above post. I'm very interested to see if copper fouling is the main issue or if the Micro-Groove rifling really does have a problem with the LeveRevolution ammo.
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Old December 5, 2007, 06:35 AM   #1231
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Uga, that's a reasonable hypothesis.

Let's see how this turns out.
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Old December 5, 2007, 06:38 AM   #1232
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...the 336 XLR barrels are Ballard rifled rather than Micro-Groove rifled.
Oh, now that's interesting.

The 1895's - both 18.5" (G) and 22" - are also Ballard.
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Old December 5, 2007, 09:15 AM   #1233
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Some owners of non-XLR 336 rifles have reported good results with LeverEvolution ammo, but many have not. The 336XLR is designed to optimize performance with the LeverEvolution ammo. The powder Hornady uses in these cartridges will take advantage of the extra barrel length of the XLR. It's not the same old .30-30. I still shoot conventional ammo in my 336C, but I only shoot LE ammo in my XLR.
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Old December 5, 2007, 09:54 AM   #1234
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Interesting.

I had thought about getting a box of that stuff just to see what happens.

I'm not really concerned with the longer range, though.

Here In South Texas where I live, the .30-30 is sufficient just the way it is.

My rifle(In case anybody cares) shoots four to six inch groups at 100 yards with the 170 grain stuff with the Remingtons being the worst.

Most 150 grain bullets will shoot 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 inches.

I have some Winchester Silver Tip 150 grain in the white box that will shoot right at one inch. I'm hanging on to those, I still have a few.

If those bad boy bullets won't work in my rifle, I'm not going to complain.
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Old December 5, 2007, 10:25 AM   #1235
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I've had good results with LeverEvolution in a 336 (non XLR) but have only shot about 10-15 rounds so I may not be the best sample.
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Old December 5, 2007, 11:26 AM   #1236
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Fast Frank, even though you may not need the extra range the LE ammo can deliver you might want to try a box of the stuff to see how it shoots in your rifle. I've seen nothing but positive reports on how the bullets perform on game, even at close range.
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Old December 5, 2007, 12:13 PM   #1237
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Ditto on what ZeSpectre said here. I've only shot a few at closer ranges, but have had no problem in my 336C with the Leverlution rounds.
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Old December 5, 2007, 12:20 PM   #1238
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The most common kind of round for target practice for me is a hardcast lead bullet. I can't remember what weight right now, but they are light. They shoot pretty decent at 25 yds. However, the most accurate plinker bullet that I have used is the Speer 100 gr plinker which is half jacketed. I have seen not one incdication of bad fouling with either of these bullets and they never keyhole. Today was the first time I've heard about Leverlution keyhole problems. Of course, the absence of problems for me could be a result of shooting light bullets with fairly light charges of IMR 4064 just for fun. I would not use either of the 2 above rounds for hunting except for maybe squirrel or rabbit.
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Old December 5, 2007, 08:54 PM   #1239
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Picked up my 336 tonight and love, pics soon I promise, but its a brand new 1995 built 336CS. Very nice gun, although if feels a bit long, so a barrel chop is in order at some point, as well as some sort of aperture sight (XS? Williams? who knows...)

I am just happy to have rifle with such a historical cache, and can't wait to shoot it!
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Old December 5, 2007, 09:35 PM   #1240
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The empty shell of previously fired round ejects with no problem,
but the next round doesn't feed correctly, jamming the action.

Is that correct? YES THIS IS CORRECT

If you said "yes", then exactly WHERE does the next round jam?

Does the round get pushed up by the carrier (part 7 on the parts list in attached diagram) as you are levering,
but gets stuck as it is being pushed into the chamber?

Does the next round seem to hang up on the lip of the chamber?

If not, does the jam happen before the carrier pushes the next round up?

THE ROUND GETS JAMMED AS THE CARRIER IS PUSHING UP, the round is getting halfway out of the magizine then asit is being pushed up it gets penned between the magazine and the carrier

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Old December 5, 2007, 10:08 PM   #1241
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Can I play too?

I was a bit slow coming to the 336 side of the Marlin line, had a few 1894's over the years, and thought the 336's pistolgrip was ugly, and unnecessary.

Then I bought one, and shot it a lot, and it got a lot prettier. Especially when it (35 Remington) put three shots into one hole at 50 yards. Actually, the widest part of the hole was dead-on .400", net group size was .042".

I decided to keep it.

Then I bought a 30-30, 1964 vintage, plain as a mud fence. It hasn't shot quite as well, but it will put three shots touching at 50 yards so often it's boring. 1894's are fun guns, but not as accurate. I have two, the better of which is an 1894C (357), and with its favorite handload, it will easily put five under an inch at 50. The 44 is nowhere near that good.

I was raised to believe that leverguns couldn't POSSIBLY be accurate. Every article by every so-called expert said so. I believed them. Any levergun, of any make, that shot under 3 MOA was a fluke, an abherration, a freak. So when my rifles started turning in amazing groups I was sure it would stop, eventually. It hasn't yet. Finding handloads my Marlins liked was about the easiest bit of research I've ever done. Some guns and cartridges are said to be inherently accurate. The 222, the the 375 H & H, the .243, the .....30-30? Yep. I've never owned a Winchester, so I can't speak for the accuracy they are capable of. But nearly every Marlin 336 I've seen or shot was capable of MOA accuracy with ammo it liked. Never heard that claimed for the Winnie 94. To me, there's nothing more fun than shooting next to someone with a mid-bore bolt gun, like a 30-06, and outshooting him with a Marlin. They always think it's a fluke......until I shoot a BETTER group. Then they start asking about Marlin prices, options, calibers, and such. Once they shoot one, they're sunk. I've sold a LOT of Marlins over the years.....I think they need to put me on commission!

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Old December 5, 2007, 10:29 PM   #1242
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Just picked up a 1981 Marlin 336c this week...

My dad has a 336 that has been in the family for ~30 years. I figured she was lonely.

I paid...(drum roll please)

Original owner........30 rounds fired in 26 years (I put 6 through her yesterday).......All paperwork............Bluing is perfect, wood as well.................Bore is blinding bright.......





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Old December 5, 2007, 11:32 PM   #1243
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Old December 5, 2007, 11:51 PM   #1244
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THE ROUND GETS JAMMED AS THE CARRIER IS PUSHING UP, the round is getting halfway out of the magizine then asit is being pushed up it gets penned between the magazine and the carrier
Could your mag spring be weak, or your follower binding?
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Old December 6, 2007, 01:26 AM   #1245
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Paintball, Is your brass getting scratched? Might be a burr on the the loading gate that causes enough friction to lock up the Marlin. I had an 1895 that did that once. A bit of deburring did the trick.

Papajohn, If'n yer the same PJ from M.0. I'm mighty happy to see you here too. Your experiences and guidance has greatly enriched my Marlin addiction. Have they sent you a commission for the Marlins I bought because of you yet?. Either way Welcome!

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Old December 6, 2007, 03:20 AM   #1246
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Mseiferth and SCB, welcome in.
You have arrived at an interesting time.

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This club house will
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Dude, great to see you.
Thanks for coming by.
Hang out.

Make yer'self at home.
Cold liquids are in the fridge.

Hot coffee is in the carafe by
the door leading out to the range,
right beside the donuts.

Rnds are in the cabinet by the door
(other side from the donuts).

So, how are things at MoF?

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Old December 6, 2007, 07:15 PM   #1247
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I was hoping to join the 336 club today, but my local FFL can't get any 336Ws at the moment. I'll be joining hopefully in 5-21 days.
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Old December 6, 2007, 08:31 PM   #1248
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Silver Bullet, don't worry. You're already a member even if you don't have your rifle yet. "Membership" only requires some level of interest in 336's, even if it's just a curious question or two.

Welcome in. Hope your 336W comes in soon. Please keep us posted.

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Old December 7, 2007, 10:40 AM   #1249
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Hi Fellers! Pop's Back!

Mr Cyst (that's Al, or Neem, or whatever YOU guys call him) invited me over here to have a look at this forum, and I liked it so much I joined. For those who don't know what a pain I am over at Marlin Owners, that's my primary hangout.

Hey Wet Dog, I mean JustSayMo, have you shot any more of that 4895 load? Now you know why I burn 20 pounds of that stuff a year!

And for those who think I'm completely full of it when it comes to Marlin accuracy, I offer the following horrid photo, of two targets fired at 50 yards last year.............................

The print is on the left target is barely legible, the target on the right is a 30-30 group, I shot a dozen that day and they ALL looked like this!

Did I hear someone mention donuts? You know, offering a badge guy a donut might be considered a bribe.......I think I better confiscate the whole box as evidence!

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Old December 7, 2007, 12:58 PM   #1250
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Hey, that's Dr. Cyst to you, buddy!

Those are some pretty good groups for 50 yds. But hey, aren't you supposed to put the groups in the center of the target?

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