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Old May 19, 2008, 12:03 PM   #1676
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The 30-30 was designed around heavier bullets, back in the naive days before we had all these GeeWhiZ Supermagnums that worship at the altar of velocity. Heavy bullets don't buck brush like it was long thought, but they do penetrate and break bones better, and two holes in an animal is always better than one, energy-dump theories aside.

If I was chasing Mule Deer or Black Bears I'd opt for the 170-grain bullets, but for your everyday Whitetail, I think the 150 is plenty. (I've seen a lot of Pigs wearing Body Armor, but never a deer! A little ex-cop humor there, I can say that 'cuz I WAS one.......Pride, Integrity, and Guts .)

As for load development, there's no real trick to it, but a little luck helps. Just find the bullet it likes, hopefully something you can buy from the maker, then match the powder to the capacity available. I think 32 grains of IMR-4895 was the maximum recommended charge for the 150-grain bullet, it turned out that 30.2 filled the case to the base of the bullet, so I got good density at safe pressures. That the rifle loved it was icing on the cake. Had a friend not given me a box of 20-year old Core-Lokt ammo, I'd probably still be searching for the Ultimate recipe.

IMR-3031 was loaded in factory 30-30 ammo by several makers for many years, I'd call it a great powder to start experimenting with, even though I never did. (I'm NOT always the brightest bulb on the tree.............)

As for me hoarding powder...........Okay, I'm busted. But in my defense, I use 4895 for loading 223's, (1000 last week alone) 7.7 Jap, 30-30, 35 Remington, and 375 Winchester. JustSayMo is just mad because I beat him to it!

I'd love to stay and chat, but the No-Hair Club for Men meets in one hour, gotta go!

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Old May 20, 2008, 01:16 AM   #1677
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Great Googa Mooga!

Papa"J"
I doff my derby to You sir. At 100yds I can only get those kinds of groups with my Rem700 team, both ADL's 223 and 30-06...
My little beauty 336 needs much more coddling to ever come near those.
And thats at 50yds

Speaking of The "PJ Load"?
I have an RCBS 3030 WCF die set...
Apparently I need the crimper die.

Can you suggest a tried and true to run my loads through.
I won't even attempt a repeater round with out a crimper.
Heck I haven't reloaded for the 30/30 yet because of the lack
of the crimper die, honestly.. Safety first...

While we're at it, do you feed the tube when you take those shots?
Or do you individual feed?
Are you on a rest?
Or are you freestanding?
Forgive me, I suffer from sleep deprevation sometimes...
so, coherency doesn't come easy to me after 42hrs

You Da Man PappaJohn...
Remember, It Never Rains On The Range!

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Old May 20, 2008, 02:37 AM   #1678
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Are you on a rest?
Or are you freestanding?
If PJ's doing that freestanding,
then we need to get in touch with Guinness.

(Re the world record, not the beer,
although such a feat would deserve a good pint.)
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Old May 20, 2008, 03:13 AM   #1679
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Hey Mr. Desert-Biologist, when are we gonna see some of YOUR targets? Don't gimme that stuff about working all the time, either.............oh, that's right, you're too busy to reload, I fergot.
Hey, Mr. Steady Job Cause He's Workin' fo' da Man, go into business for yourself in a failing economy, then let's talk about working all the time.

Tell you what. As soon as I get more than 1 month ahead of rent (as in have some semblance of "savings account" - which I don't have now - there's exactly $350 in my checking account, and $400 of that is due tomorrow for a loan payment), I'll start going to the range more regularly.

As soon as I get more than 3 months ahead, I'll buy a simple reload kit, find the Nem load (tm), and make ragged holes at 100 yds, too.

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Old May 20, 2008, 09:10 AM   #1680
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I think I have the solution to Nem's problems. We need to get him a research grant so Nem can study the effects of his 30-30 on various biologic organisms.

Heck somebody paid to find out how much global warming a cow fart causes, it seems only logical they'd want to know how if firing a 30-30 contributes to global warming or if there is a net gain due to the removal of plant eating and farting critters.

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Old May 20, 2008, 02:05 PM   #1681
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LOL.

Mo, interesting ideas. Maybe I'll look into that.

I could go down that road here and discuss "that issue" a bit more <ahem>, but trust me on this - we don't want to do that: we'd get this thread shut down faster than PapaJohn can shoot a ragged hole at 50 yds. (I speak from experience in watching other threads get shut down around that issue; I have a different view of "that issue" than most do.)

So, because this thread is just too important to us all (let alone so much fun),
I'll just let that one lay where it is and focus on .30-30s.
I hope we'll all follow that lead.
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Old May 22, 2008, 10:24 PM   #1682
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Hi, Nemo
Heard of an Aero Engineer who put in for 2 days to study "The Adverse Affect of Hard Mineral Objects on Wings". Got the time. Went duck hunting.
Maybe you and papajohn could apply for something like the study of the Effect of burning rates of different chemical compounds on the overall performance of various metals when discharged from tubes. Sort of a Watch Dog type.
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Old May 23, 2008, 02:58 PM   #1683
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I LIKE that idea!

How about "Aerodynamic Stabilization of Dual-Metallic Closed-Core Envelopes When Under Extreme Lateral Force From Rapid Decomposition of Nitrocellulose when Contained in a Centrifugally-Striated Ferrous Tube For The Purpose of Perforation of Mininal Cellulose Material on a Given Plane at a Distance of 91,440 Millimeters."

In English, that's shooting groups at 100 yards with jacketed bullets.

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Old May 23, 2008, 04:04 PM   #1684
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How about "Aerodynamic Stabilization of Dual-Metallic Closed-Core Envelopes When Under Extreme Lateral Force From Rapid Decomposition of Nitrocellulose when Contained in a Centrifugally-Striated Ferrous Tube For The Purpose of Perforation of Mininal Cellulose Material on a Given Plane at a Distance of 91,440 Millimeters."

In English, that's shooting groups at 100 yards with jacketed bullets.
Sorry no more earmark projects. "VETOED".
PJ, that is too humerous.

BTW, for laziness sake and not wanting to do a "search" who amongst you have put LEVERevolution 160 gr (with FlexTip Technology) through the ole 336?
How did that work for you?
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Old May 23, 2008, 07:41 PM   #1685
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Old May 23, 2008, 11:35 PM   #1686
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DAdams, I don't know why, but I've never fired the fancy new plastic tipped bullets.

I haven't noticed a lot of "I'll never shoot plain old bullets again" post, but that doesn't mean much.

Things move pretty slow in the world of firearms. We'll see if these new bullets are really "All That" after they've been in use for a while.
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Old May 24, 2008, 12:56 AM   #1687
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Aerodynamic Stabilization of Dual-Metallic Closed-Core Envelopes When Under Extreme Lateral Force From Rapid Decomposition of Nitrocellulose when Contained in a Centrifugally-Striated Ferrous Tube For The Purpose of Perforation of Minimal Cellulose Material on a Given Plane at a Distance of 91,440 Millimeters.

P. P. John, PhE and Nem A. Tocyst, PhF
Journal of One-Hole Physics, July, 2010

Abstract

This study examined the aerodynamic properties of dual-metallic closed-core envelopes with supersonic trajectory vectors with spatial components oriented towards cellulose material trajectory objectives pursuant to similar supersonic trajectory vectors oriented towards mammals (Order Mammalia) of the family Cervidae. Exhaustive tests were conducted over a two-year period employing various combinations of nitrocellulose in centrifugally-striated ferrous tubes, all of which employed leveraged feedback controls & various optical guidance systems. Our results have conclusively demonstrated that centrifugally-striated ferrous tubes of the category denoted Marlin 336 consistently produced single uneven cavities (AKA "ragged holes" with diametric variances w/in +/- 6.35 mm) at distances of 91,440 mm when charged with controlled levels of the proper nitrocellulose propellant combined with appropriate dual-metallic closed-core envelopes. These results suggest that such centrifugally-striated ferrous tubes can produce DRT cervids when charged with appropriate nitrocellulose propellants and dual-metallic closed-core envelopes of the proper mass.
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Old May 24, 2008, 06:42 AM   #1688
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Nice thread and I own one! Your taste in some guns is very close to mine!

Model 336SS - 30-30 Caliber

http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firear...ire/336SS.aspx

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Old May 24, 2008, 02:38 PM   #1689
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Jeez, Nem, I was just clowning. You took it to a level of BS heretofore unhead of in these parts. You really did a lot of that stuff in college, didn'tcha?

I really liked the part about the DRT cervids................

Catherine, I think those stainless 336's are as purty as they can be. I've been lobbying for a stainless 357 for years, the only reason I bought my 1894SS in 44 was because it was as close as I could get to what I REALLY wanted!

My son kinda likes it, too. This is from several years ago, when the gun was new. He's about 13 inches taller than he was then, too.



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Old May 24, 2008, 06:21 PM   #1690
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Nemo,
PhD, Piled Higher and Deeper.
Have a safe holiday weekend
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Old May 24, 2008, 11:13 PM   #1691
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Catherine, welcome in. We're glad you're here. Not enough women in the club house yet. Bring friends. We're a respectful, non-sexist bunch.

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You really did a lot of that stuff in college, didn'tcha?
Dude, you don't even know.

And they talk just like that, too. (Only my dialect is biology/ecology rather than physics, but it gets just as thick.
(By the way, fine looking kid, there PJ. If he's got your smarts, he'll do well.)

Ted (Jake), yeah, you got the "piled higher and deeper" right.
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Old May 24, 2008, 11:51 PM   #1692
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I have rejoined the fold.

Uncommon 18 1/2" barrel, straight stock. Should be on its way to my FFL now via a BBT.

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Old May 25, 2008, 02:10 AM   #1693
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Papa John,

Yes, they are very pretty and they shoot well too!

Cool on your son... I smile when I hold my Marlin and other firearms too!

Catherine
PS: My husband works odd hours @ the office. If he does not called in on Sunday due to an ill office worker... I plan on shooting this with him on Sunday afternoon. He may have a different 'load' for me too. Woo hoo!
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Old May 25, 2008, 02:19 AM   #1694
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Nematocyst,

Thanks! I wish that I KNEW more ladies that liked firearms and shoot. (I did bring some into the fold when it came to self defense back east.)

While I have been on this board - I have noticed that you have or have previously owned several firearms that I own. Various firearms here and there. I think that you like S/A revolvers too but I could be mistaken and gotten you mixed up with another poster on here.

Nice thread and thanks.

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Old May 25, 2008, 02:21 AM   #1695
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Grimjaw,

Congrats! Nice firearm.

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Old May 25, 2008, 02:45 AM   #1696
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Welcome back to the fold, Grimjaw. Ya brought a nice looking rifle, too.

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I think that you like S/A revolvers too but I could be mistaken and gotten you mixed up with another poster on here.
Catherine, no, that's not me.

I'm a D/A guy: mod 65 & 642.

Maybe some day, though.
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Old May 25, 2008, 08:23 AM   #1697
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Grimjaw. NICE SCORE!!! I've been hunting for one of those and haven't been able to locate one that someone is willing to part with. If you find that barrel is too short for you I have a 20" straight stocked 336 I'd swap you for it and throw in a few bucks too .

Catherine: Welcome in. I hope you know we'll need a full range report anytime you take it to the range, try new ammo or take game with it.
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Old May 25, 2008, 04:21 PM   #1698
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Glad that people appriciate the classic stylings of the 336. Thinking of getting the XS sight rail/ ghost ring combo. Can anyone offer any pros or cons regarding whether to go with a scout scope (forward mount) or traditional scope placement?
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Old May 25, 2008, 05:47 PM   #1699
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Does anybody know where I can get a saddle ring put on my 336?
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Old May 25, 2008, 09:50 PM   #1700
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Seldom, welcome.

As soon as I can, I'm going to put a scout scope on mine. Already got the mount. Can't afford the scope yet.

Hell, I can't even afford a day at the range right now.

My business is not making it in this town. Looking seriously at a major move to a city north of here soon where I know it'll work.

Faster access to big country up there, too, so I guess I can't complain.

Jf, I'm curious: why a saddle ring? Not being critical at all. I think they're interesting.
But I'm not sure what they're used for. Can someone enlighten me as to their use?
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