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Old August 5, 2008, 11:26 PM   #1876
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Mongrel, looks like a first class ticket to me! Is that a Western (48?) knife?
Thanks for the kind words...

The knife is actually unmarked, except the sheath says "Estwing" on it. It is definately a Western style, however the leather handle is not the split style that Western used. It's a solid tang all the way more like the Kabar or Case. I've not been able to find out anything else about them.

Here's another pick of just the knife:



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Old August 6, 2008, 12:58 AM   #1877
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Goon, I know the urge... My collection of Marlins (picture @ http://www.grovestreet.com/PicPage.do?id=1269727 ) includes some Marlin 1895's including the Stainless Guide Gun and a Cowboy. I also recently picked up an 1895 LTD III from another THR member. It combines the handiness of the Guide Gun and the aesthetics of the Cowboy - octagon barrel, slim stocks.. It'll go huntin'

Big Bore Marlins are very addictive. Fun to shoot and very effective on critters. The main disadvantages are the expense of the ammo and its weight. Of course that niche is filled nicely by a 336 in 30-30.

Mongrel, handy looking knife regardless of who made it. I found that style equally good on trout and deer. Yours looks like its had some experience and probably some good memories to go along with it. Nice combo you got there, sure makes me look forward to hunting season.
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Old August 6, 2008, 07:12 PM   #1878
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Does anyone know if Marlin as quit making the 336A or not their web site doesn't show it any more?
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Old August 6, 2008, 09:07 PM   #1879
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Just took a pic of the collection yesterday. The 30AS is my brother's, but I felt like showing it off anyway. The Model 444S on the left is quite possibly my favorite gun.


Did somebody mention Western knives? I got these secondhand, so they're a little battered.
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Old August 7, 2008, 02:15 AM   #1880
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TehK, nice collections of rifles and knives.
What are those rifles on the right? Savages?

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Does anyone know if Marlin as quit making the 336A or not their web site doesn't show it any more?
Kentucky, I've noticed that, too.

Wondering if my 336A has become an instant classic?
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Old August 7, 2008, 02:37 AM   #1881
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Nematocyst not to hi-jack but those rifles on the right of TeHk1w1's pic are 99 Savages.
A 99 Savage is the first centerfire rifle I ever fired, so I'll never forget them.
My grandfather's looks a lot like the one on the left but I think it has more barrel than that one. It's a sweet handling rifle though, the most graceful one I've ever used. I got to hunt with it one deer season - if I ever stumble on to one like his in .308 I might have to buy it.

Back to your regularly scheduled Marlin thread...
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Old August 7, 2008, 02:40 AM   #1882
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Not a hijack at all, Goon.

Sure, I prefer Marlins,
but we lever owners
should stick together.

I've never owned a Savage,
but I've had several friends that have.
They claim that Savages are fine lever guns.

It'd be fun to do a shoot off sometimes.
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Old August 7, 2008, 09:48 AM   #1883
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The nice part about the savages they can take a magazine full of pointy bullets without gummy tips and was chambered in some fine rifle cartridges. A 308 99 was among my first centerfire rifles. I never warmed up to the aesthetics but it was a dern good rifle.

Even taking cost out of the equation I would still take a Marlin 336 RC for a GP rifle.
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Old August 7, 2008, 07:09 PM   #1884
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The 336A is not dead, I checked Marlin's web site, today. I don't know what made it disappear. But she's back
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Old August 7, 2008, 10:29 PM   #1885
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just got back from Walmart. Picked up a new hunting knife (nothing special, just a 4.25" Winchester fixed blade, hollow ground).

Also picked up a clearance box of 30-30 ammo: Winchester Supreme 150gr Ballistic Silvertip. $20, got the last box.

Anyone familiar with these? I plan on using them to hopefully take a deer this year (my first year hunting)
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Old August 7, 2008, 10:45 PM   #1886
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I never warmed up to the aesthetics but it was a dern good rifle.
You know, they struck me that way as well.

Not to detract from a fine rifle for those who liked them,
but it didn't appeal to me in a purely aesthetic fashion.

Can't quite put my finger on why ...
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Old August 8, 2008, 12:37 AM   #1887
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I always kind of liked the aesthetics of the Savage. And they are great rifles. I saw my dad kill a deer with his 99 in .300 Savage at nearly 400 yards once. Really, that is a little longer than most people have business trying to shoot, but he's used that rifle for about 40 years now. And until a few years ago, it was his only rifle.
And suffice it to say that my dad with that rifle was the epitome of the "beware the man with one rifle" saying.

But a Marlin beats a Savage for logistic reasons.
Savages haven't been made in about 20 years so I'd think that replacement parts wouldn't be too easy to come by. As much as I respect the Savage, anymore they're more of a collector's rifle than something you can really use the way it was intended.

And for my uses, the Marlin was better than ANY competition:
- It's short and handy which puts it on even footing with an 18" pump action shotgun for defense IMO. But it's effective out to 200 yards whereas the shotgun is only good to about 100 max AND you'd have to switch ammo. In my rural area, the rifle makes sense.
- It's solid. Compared to a Winchester the Marlin just seems more stout. It's built the old way out of machined steel. I like it.
- They're still making them. If my extractor breaks it shouldn't be too hard to get a replacement, probably even at a local gun shop. There are also aftermarket parts and sights readily available if I want to customize it.
- They're cheap. I paid under $250 for mine and I've seen them for around $220. Even saw one for $189 once.
- It fires a common round that's fairly powerful. In looking at what it does compared to what it uses to do it, the 30-30 is actually a fairly efficient cartridge.

As you guys can see, I didn't have much trouble talking myself into buying one.
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Old August 8, 2008, 07:53 AM   #1888
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JeepGeek, if they shoot well in your rifle and you put 'em where they are supposed to go, you'll be feasting on backstraps.

Once the Marlin's work is done it's time to put the knife to work. Maybe we should have a what's the best knife to pard up with your Marlin discussion.
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Old August 16, 2008, 02:29 AM   #1889
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Maybe we should have a what's the best knife to pard up with your Marlin discussion.
Works for me.

I'll take either my Benchmade Osborne, or the SOG seal pup.
Better yet, both.

Of course, I've not skinned a medium sized mammal with either ...
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Old August 17, 2008, 11:03 AM   #1890
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Range Report, CB and SRC

The Cowboy had not been to the range for a while so I decided to correct that mistake yesterday.

First up was the 170 grain Oregon Trail Laser Cast Bullet with 5 grains of Red Dot, no filler, WLR primer. With the rear sight set on the second notch up from the bottom it printed a very nice 1" group centered ~3.5" above point of aim. My notes indicate this is the best accuracy with this Powder-Bullet combination. In previous visits 5.5 grains and 6 grains produced bigger groups. The velocity for the 5.0 grain loads averaged ~1,000 fps. Fairly quiet and easy shooting.

I picked up some Remington 170 grain Core-Lokt factory ammo and was hoping it would print close to the same zero in this rifle but with the same sight setting it printed nearly 6" highter with a cool barrel. I didn't record the velocity though I seem to recall it chronographed right around 2200 fps. Accuracy wasn't quite as good as but it was respectable- 1.5" in the 336 CB.

The load that really shined today was Ranch Dog's ( ranchdogmolds.com ) 165 grain cast bullet. I cast these ~20-1 lead-tin alloy, lubed them with Lee Liquid Alox and put Hornady Gas Checks on them, sized .311". 10.5 grains of SR 4756 (old Lyman Data) pushed them ~1450 fps and the first three shots went into an enlarged hole. The next shot was a called flier. The next two printed just off the enlarged hole within an inch. EXCELLENT accuracy. This might work well for Cowboy Silhouette matches. I haven't tried it at 200 yards yet but I believe I have enough sight ramp left to knock down the 200 yard Rams. I'll test that ASAP. The POI = the POA at 50 yards with the rear sight on the 2nd notch up.

The next 336 out to the Bench was my 1965 vintage Saddle Ring Carbine. This rifle is sighted in for and loves the Papa John Load. I wanted to see how the Factory Remington 170's would print in comparison. Except for the first shot from a cold clean barrel the 4" higher. Subsequent shots printed 1.5" higher at 50 yards into ~1" group. Not bad.

Next I tried a PJ variation - same Remington 150 gr JSP bullet but using 29 grains of IMR 3031 instead of 4895. It gets a little more velocity (2145 fps) as the PJ load and is nearly as accurate in this rifle. It printed just above the POA (PJ load 50 yard Zero) and printed sub 1" at 50 yards.

The last load I tried in the 336 SRC was the 5 grain Red Dot load. It printed just below point of aim at 50 yards and 2" to the right. I use this load to take Grouse while I'm out hunting or Scouting for Deer or Elk. Grouse opens Sept 1 and this rifle will be going with me while I scout a new area. Hopefully I'll have a few opportunities to use it soon.
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Old August 17, 2008, 02:55 PM   #1891
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Sounds like an enjoyable day, JSM! Nothing like a few good-shooting leverguns to make you feel good about life, and a nice day outdoors even beats the fun of concocting a few good handloads indoors.

I'm glad to hear of another rifle that likes the PJ load, I'm still amazed at what a Marlin 336 can do with ammo it likes. Even my 375 got under a half-inch for three shots at 50 yards, and the 30-30 and 35 Remmy did better than that. Your bench technique is obviously well-learned if you're getting those groups with open sights!

I'd be interested in hearing what kind of velocity you're getting with the standard PJL in your SRC, I'm thinking that's a shorter barrel than my RC, but I'd be guessing when I say the length is 18" or so. Is it?

That 5.0/Red Dot/170 load sounds like it's about perfect for grouse, squirrels, or whatever's in season when you're out scouting around. Soft shooting, similar POI, and quiet, to boot, what more can you ask for, except a few cooperative grouse for dinner?

3031 has always been the "go-to" powder for the 30-30, it was used in factory ammo for umpteen years, and probably still is. Your load sounds a little on the warm side, but I'm betting it shoots good with a variety of bullets, it might be a good choice if you want to use the lighter bullets, as well. Those Sierra 125-grain hollow-points shot very well in my rifle, but I already knew what bullet I was going to use. But if I wanted to use a levergun to blow up some varmints or ruin a coyote's day, I'd grab those Sierra's in a heartbeat.

I'm betting this will be a good autumn for you and your Marlins, keep us posted!

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Old August 17, 2008, 04:23 PM   #1892
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PJ, the PJ load gets 2024 fps in the SRC and the 24" barreled 336 Cowboy gets 2164 fps. My other 20" 336 spits em out at 2085 fps.

Even though I'm old enough to be a grandfather I still have some older sages at our club that have REALLY helped me out with my shooting technique. I've been lucky too with my eyes though I've seen a fair amount of degradation in the last few years. I'm certain that a scope would improve things and take more of the Mo-error out of it.. but I just love the way an unfettered levergun pulls out of a scabbard and carries in the field.

I have high hopes for this fall - as usual. This year my time is a little more taxed as I've begun building a cabin on my 20 acres The wife wants it done so my hunting time is limited. She's always happy when I 'bring home the bacon' though so if I'm lucky enough to pot some game this year it'll get me more free time... She doesn't like me being gone a week and coming back with no meat and the grouse eaten...

There is a little Black Bear using my property that I noticed has started to raid garbage cans - foil in the scat. I don't want to shoot him but if he turns into a problem I may have a report on the PJ load performance on Black Bears... The 30-30 isn't my first choice for Bears but it is what I have with me most of the time when I'm there.
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Old August 17, 2008, 05:16 PM   #1893
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JSM, I'm in total agreement with you on the merits of hanging out with older guys, as I like to tell my kids, "Older Guys Know Stuff!"

One of my best buds in the NHCFM (No Hair Club For Men) just turned 70, has been shooting since his teens, and always imparts his knowledge to me, whether I want to hear it or not. Sometimes I tune him out when I'm in the middle of a group, but more often than not I hear every word he says. (He's deaf as a post and talks LOUD!) And wonder of wonders, I'm learning stuff from him. He has a detached retina in his right eye after shooting shotguns competitively for forty years, so he had to start shooting left handed, and he's still quite a shot with a rifle.

Handguns? I wouldn't want to go up against him at anything less than 200 yards, and even then I'd be looking for cover. His rapid-fire groups can make mine look like shotgun patterns at times.

Shotgun? He's a past State Champion several times over, and hasn't lost much......he wins his club shoots pretty often, against younger men with younger eyes and nicer shotguns.

He's also been a reloader since before I was born, and he may not know every trick, but he knows a lot of them. If he ever quits buying the cheapest bullets he can get, and shoots the stuff I shoot, he'll give me a SERIOUS run for my money on the rifle range........and he still shoots mostly open sights.

Have fun building the cabin.........lots of work but I bet it becomes your favorite place pretty quick! Maybe you can persuade Mr. Bear to behave, but if not, I'm sure the PJ load (or any good 30-30 load) will handle him quite nicely. Ever eaten bear? Some say it's greasy, others consider it a delicacy. If you find out, let me know your opinion............

Thanks for the numbers on the PJ load from your guns.......maybe Santa will bring me a Chrony this Christmas, if he's in a forgiving mood.

Time to get back to "work", I still have 400 357's to re-prime, and my shift ends in a few hours. It sure is rough having to work for a living!

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Old August 19, 2008, 10:29 PM   #1894
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Here's my 336 with the "bi-polar" stock from post #1854 of this thread:



And here it is with the new stock that Marlin sent me free of charge:



Purty, ain't it?

Mighty nice of the Marlin folks, too!
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Old August 20, 2008, 01:34 AM   #1895
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Pirate, that's great. Congrats. Looks much better.

Great match. And yes, very cool that Marlin did it for free. That's quality support of their support base.

Can you imagine a major car company doing that?

"You need a new fender? Sure, no problem.
We'll ship it out right away, gratis."

Right.
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Old August 20, 2008, 04:47 AM   #1896
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Okay, I've been lurking again; and I didn't see this here yet so:
American Rifleman has posted; American Riflemans Top 10 and at No.7 is our namesake Marlin's Model 336. pg 85 in the Sept 08 edition of this publication.
Read and gloat my friends.

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Old August 20, 2008, 05:04 AM   #1897
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Thanks for the heads up, E121FX.

Couldn't resist posting their essay here.

Not bad for a late blooming lever rifle.

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Marlin Model 336

The rugged, reliable, American-made Marlin Model 336 epitomized, and still does, the hunting-specific, lever-action rifle. In fact, if today’s makers were tasked with creating a top-notch, lever-action hunting rifle, many of its features would likely resemble those found on the Model 336 upon its introduction in 1948. The Model 336’s solid-top receiver, trigger plate, hammer, lever, carrier and locking bolts were fashioned from steel forgings for strength, and a lowered hammer, a drilled-and-tapped receiver—a 1956 feature—and side-ejection, as opposed to top ejection on the Winchester Model 1894, allowed for the addition of a rifle scope—acknowledging the trend of using rifle-mounted optics. Improving on its predecessor, the Model 36, the 336 had a round bolt—the first of its type—for greater strength and streamlined appearance, as well as a redesigned carrier and newly designed extractor to ensure reliability. Further, the Model 336 featured a pistol grip stock, blued, exposed metal parts to reduce glare and Micro-Groove rifling (another 1956 addition) for enhanced accuracy. In 1984, to the chagrin of many, a cross-bolt safety was added.

Although little has changed mechanically since its debut, the Model 336 has been fashioned in numerous configurations to meet the diverse needs of hunters. The Model 336XLR, developed in conjunction with Hornady’s LeverEvolution ammunition, extends the reach of this tried-and-true, lever-hunting rifle to previously unimaginable ranges. By virtue of its lineage—tracing back to the 1893—the Model 336 now has the distinction of being the longest, continually produced lever-action rifle. Judging from the 336’s popularity, Marlin could hold that honor for a long time.
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Old August 20, 2008, 05:43 AM   #1898
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Speaking of ultimate 336 accessories......


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This is a custom order belt buckle using new Hornady bullets and 30-30 Winchester rifle case heads in the design.




http://www.awelldressedbullet.ca/bel...e-bullets.html
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Old August 20, 2008, 05:48 AM   #1899
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Nothin' says Redneck like that belt buckle...

pardon me, I have to go order something...
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I'm laughin' over here ...
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