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Old August 20, 2008, 11:44 AM   #1901
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If it were mine those primers would be live.................

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Old August 21, 2008, 02:22 AM   #1902
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Dude, knowing you, the buckle
would be made from live rnds
complete w/ firing pins,
but they'd be pointed
away from you. )

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Sort of like the turn of the 20th century.
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Old August 21, 2008, 04:06 AM   #1903
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Actually, it IS pretty cool looking. but probably not something I need to get. I take enough guff about the way I dress already. Besides, like Nem said, I'd have to gussy it up with chrome-plated triggers or low-yield nukes or something.

I got the official turn-down today from the guy who oversees security here, I had asked if it would be okay to patrol the parking lot with my AR-15, and the jerk said no. Think he'd go for the 35 Remington? It's not all black and scary and evil looking........in fact it's downright HANDSOME.

Speaking of which, I'm SO glad none of my kids got my looks.......they're already cursed with my DNA!


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Old August 22, 2008, 06:10 PM   #1904
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Cross bolt safeties & QC

An older thread about 336 that I started before this club was born has been raised from the dead. (Last post to it had been in late December, 2006.)

We got a new 336 owner (post #43) who hopefully will join us here.

Another member, Shawnee, brought up the issue of cross bolt safety (CBS). I realized that we haven't really had that discussion here.

Below is my response to Shawnee's post #46 in that thread. I'm curious to know what club members opine.
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Everyone talks like the "newer" cross-bolt safety 336s are not as good as the older non-cross-bolt safety models.
Shawnee, I suspect the issue lies largely with history.

For those who "grew up" w/o the CBS (crossbolt safeties), and were used to the older version, adding another element to the mix understandably just complicated things. Those were simpler times.

For those of us who "grew up" with CBS - they were already on some of my guns even as a kid, it ain't no thing. I'm used to them.

I actually prefer CBS on my guns, even the Marlin levers where half-cock hammer is itself a safety. If I'm in an area with other people (e.g., camp or range), I like that extra layer of safety.

In a hunt, the safety would go "off" and I'd use the hammer on half-cock. (I say would because I have yet to have my 336 on a hunt yet. Yes, sad but true ... trials and tribulations of being a business owner in a troubled economy.)

As for older rifles being "better" than newer ones, because they were made better in the past, I no longer buy that. I've seen no one produce any statistics that problems caused by QC failures are higher now than in, say, 1963.

If there's a problem with a Marlin, Marlin takes care of it as far as I can tell.

Hmmm. This CBS issue is a conversation that we haven't had over in the club yet. Will make it so soon ...
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Old August 22, 2008, 06:18 PM   #1905
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I just posted my thoughts on the other thread....

I really don't like the safety...I have had some issues with a Winchester 94 and the safety..I missed a nice jack-rabbit...Since then I have switched mostly to Marlins and got rid of that dagnabit animal protecting device on all my newer Marlins....

Here are some other thoughts:

http://www.leverguns.com/articles/ta...olt_safety.htm

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Old August 22, 2008, 06:19 PM   #1906
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The picture of the teen holding the 336 just looks right doesn't it.

As far as QC with new Marlin's and older Marlins. I have had 3 Marlin Levers in my life. A 1976 336 30-30, 1972 336 30-30 (still), and a 2007 336W. The 2007 336W doesn't hold a candle to the Marlin rifles of the '70's I have owned.

In fact, Marlin just received the 336W back to repair the stock fit, mag tube fit, a broken screw from the factory, and the rear band screw backed out, and it broke when I was putting it back in. I have the correct sized screw drivers, and it wasn't even tight when the head broke off.

As far as the screw being broke from the factory. My wife bought that gun as a present, and did not know what to look for when the clerk handed her the box.


So I say this. The fit and finish on the early model rifle is way better, and the/my confidence in the guns are higher.
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Old August 22, 2008, 06:40 PM   #1907
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The CBS is the gun industry's answer to a lawsuit over a Winchester 30-30 some years back, IIRC. Some idiot in some courtroom decided the gun that had been doing its job just fine for 100 years was somehow deficient, because some numnutz shot something he wasn't supposed to, and blamed the gun.

Is it redundant? Of course it is. Is it necessary? Nope. Is it useful? Sure....I put it on when I'm test-cycling rounds through the action, or unloading it. It gets accidently bumped on now and then, and I get a CLACK instead of a bang, but it hasn't been a factor. I've thought about replacing all the CBS' on my guns with the two-piece filler screws, but for what it would cost, I can buy 200 rifle bullets or more.

See, my priorities are just fine!

Oh, and thanks for the kind comment about my kid, above. That was 2-years ago, and he looks a lot different now. Less hair and almost a Foot taller. If he calls me Shorty one more time, I'm gonna punch him right in the knee!

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Old August 22, 2008, 06:50 PM   #1908
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Well... I finally got myself a new (to me) 1981 Marlin 336 in 30-30 win... This is my 3rd 336 - the other two are gone... one via sale, one via housefire... will get pics up as soon as I am able...

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Old August 22, 2008, 07:49 PM   #1909
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Schleprok, it's about time you set aside those bolt rifles for a few minutes and got 'cher self in here!

Good to hear from you.

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Old August 23, 2008, 04:18 AM   #1910
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was in the gunshop today looking at the used leverguns. Noticed one had a bigger hole in the end than the others....

it's a .450!

I'm sorely tempted, though I wouldn't need that for anything local.
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Old August 23, 2008, 04:39 AM   #1911
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Well, it's not a 336, but it is a Marlin lever gun.
We've talked a bit about 1895 in .45-70 Gov before.
Sort of a big brother to a 336, I guess.
Long as we don't get too far off track.

Marlin says this about the .450 in their 1895M:
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It's the most powerful cartridge ever offered
in a Marlin lever action rifle.
More rifle than I need down here,
but for those living in BC or AK,
could be a nice companion for a 336.
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Old August 23, 2008, 05:30 AM   #1912
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cool.

I'm sorely tempted, as I said.

Might just go ahead and put it on layaway. While it's more powerful than I'd really need for game around here, that never stopped me from buying the 10mm pistol
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Old August 23, 2008, 11:46 AM   #1913
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JeepGeek, If you don't reload then the 450 Marlin is a good way to go. If you do then consider holding out for a 45-70 which is easy to load up (and beyond) 450 factory ammo and lower if you want and easy shooting Deer or Zombie load.

Either way, Big Bore leverguns are a ton of fun. I've been addicted for a while.

The difference between cover and concealment is made VERY apparent by big slow bullets which penetrate well beyond expectations.
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Old August 23, 2008, 11:59 AM   #1914
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papajohn - if you take the stock off you'll see a small allen set screw in the rear of the reciever.
It's been awhile but I think it's on the left side.
If you carefully tighten that screw you can adjust the CBS safety until it requires deliberate effort to put it on.


Jeep geek - If I were you I'd go with the .45-70 instead. It's just got a much better selection of ammo and is a lot more common. When I get one it will be a .45-70.
Even if you don't reload, Buffalo bore offers some stout loads for it.
IMO, the .450 Marlin is a solution in search of a problem.
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Old August 23, 2008, 02:14 PM   #1915
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goon - thanks, I just did some home gunsmithing on a Marlin yesterday, and noticed the allen screw, but didn't give it any thought. Maybe I'll tweak them all on the next rainy day when I'm looking for stuff to do.

JeepGeek - Since when did NEED have anything to do with buying guns? Huh? You trying to start something new?

I wouldn't buy a 45/70 OR a .450 unless I were a handloader, have you priced ammo lately? And it's only gonna get worse........But slamming 400-grain .45 slugs into and throoooooough things is like nothing else I know. If nothing else, it relieves eye strain. You don't have to look very hard to find the holes!

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Old August 23, 2008, 03:49 PM   #1916
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I do reload. Not sure if I'm gonna get the 450 or not, yet. What's a good price on a 450 vs a 45-70?
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Old August 23, 2008, 04:48 PM   #1917
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The real advantage of the 450 Marlin cartridge is that it can't be accidentally be put in an old Trapdoor Springfield and thus no need for multiple levels of reloading data.

The knock on the 450 marlin is the commercial ammo is expensive and brass is less commonly available. When I have seen 450 Marlin on the shelves it is usually about the same price though.

I've paid as little as $385 for my used 1895 w/pistol grip and 22" barrel and as much $775 for my used 1895 LTD III. My Guide Guns (both ported blue and un-ported Stainless) and Cowboy were all somewhere in between. Not screaming good deals but worth every penny in my estimation.

Back on Topic: 1895 vs 336
The 1895's tend to be less finicky about ammo than my 336's. That does come at a price though as ammo for the 1895's is about twice as expensive, commercial and reloads.

Though I prefer to hunt with the 1895 if I could only have one rifle, it would be the 336 due to its versatility and economy.
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Thanks for the reminder about the versatility of .45-70 Gov. I keep forgetting about that.

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Though I prefer to hunt with the 1895 if I could only have one rifle, it would be the 336 due to its versatility and economy.
Mo, how far north would you need to go before you changed your mind
and adopted a big bore as your "only" main centerfire rifle?

I'm asking because I'm still toying with the idea (no plans yet) of heading north into BC or even as far as AK in the next few years.
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Old August 23, 2008, 08:23 PM   #1919
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So I'm in Walmart yesterday (in Michigan) and there a brand new 336 30-30 for $347.00 Good price?
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Old August 23, 2008, 08:52 PM   #1920
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Forgive me if I already posted this. Can't recall and don't want to scan 77 pages.

My FiL gave me this 336 he found in the woods. Suffered a catastrophic failure due to excessive chamber pressure. Bolt is frozen, hammer blown off, receiver distorted and cracked.





In this view a rupture in the shape of the cartridge can be seen in the underside of the chamber. Magazine tube and fore-end blown off (and maybe a couple fingers, too).





Don't know cause. Double charge of powder? Barrel obstruction? Wrong caliber cartridge?
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Old August 23, 2008, 10:02 PM   #1921
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Saxon, I don't think you've posted those.

Wow. Thanks, I think. I'll be interested to see what our experts have to opine.

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So I'm in Walmart yesterday (in Michigan) and there a brand new 336 30-30 for $347.00 Good price?
76, it depends on what exact model it is.

Double check whether it's an A, C or W.

If it's either a C or A, I'd say jump all over it.

If it's a W, well, that seems a bit high. W was going here for $299 last year. (Haven't priced them lately.)
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what is the difference between A, C, and W?
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Old August 23, 2008, 10:34 PM   #1923
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Nem wrote:

"Mo, how far north would you need to go before you changed your mind and adopted a big bore as your "only" main centerfire rifle?"

Nem, I think I"m a step away right now. My property is about 40 miles south of the fifty first state... er I mean Canada in North Central Washington and we do have Griz - though I haven't yet seen one. The nearby campgrounds have warning signs posted and a neighbor claims to seen one. They are NOT legal to hunt. Should their presence become common the 1895 will probably replace the 336 at the cabin.

In Nak Nek Alaska I had daily contact with coastal Browns. I gave them a VERY wide berth though none ever showed the slightest bit of interest in me... thankfully.

Black Bears are very common and care must be taken to secure food and garbage lest you will invite a visit - even it is on your porch. With the plentiful forage the area is ideal Bear habitat. I have a little cinnamon colored black Bear feeding regularly on berries and even left me a "gift" (scat) 25' from my front door.

I'm not sure there is a caliber I'd want to face a charging grizzly with though. Might have to wait until he eats me and then shoot him from the inside if he catches me with anything less than the 336...
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what is the difference between A, C, and W?
IMO, W is barest bones econo model. (Not all agree; see next page.) Hardwood furniture (it's birch) and fore end cap barrel band.

A is slightly higher QC (at least rumor has it), barrel band and hardwood furniture (birch, same as W; I actually like the birch better for durability).

C is probably highest QC (pure conjecture), barrel band and American walnut furniture,
which is prettier but slightly less durable than birch according to what I read.
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Old August 23, 2008, 11:07 PM   #1925
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I'm not sure there is a caliber I'd want to face a charging grizzly with though.
Well, there's two points there.

One, do I want to? Answer: no.

Two, if I had to, what caliber?

I'm voting .45-70 over .30-30.

If I go up there, the walk about gun
will become an 1895, probably a G.
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